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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:43 AM Original message |
Student sees political bias in high school text |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good for this kid....... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. And it's not the first time he stood up to his school |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. Absolutely correct!! |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. And thank the adult experts who backed him up. |
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PurpleChez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
81. Huzzah to one and all! |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Do we now have to add Houghton Mifflin to the list of right wing publishers |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. not sure, but not necessarily |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
65. No. They also published 'A People and A Nation' on American history. |
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kay1864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
78. HEYYY... this is the tape recording teenager! |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. Forming minds from birth |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
92. Yes..... |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. School Boards |
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loves_dulcinea (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. yeah, that's about right |
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bronxiteforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. Some info on James Q Wilson |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
4. WingNuts have been writing tests for a long time... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I was about to say just that! |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. Right on.... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
134. I didn't see your post before I replied waaaaaaaay down at the bottom of |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
5. This is the text that they use at my son's HS. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. check your rules she may be telling them to commit a crime! |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It is legal in PA, but not ethical, and not something a high school teacher should be telling her |
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Red Zelda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. And taxes pay that teacher's salary |
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Red Zelda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Where are you in Pa.? |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. I would not let this rest. Contact ACLU and see what they say. n/t |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Don't you mean for them to register as a Democrat so they can vote in Democratic Primary? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. OOPS! You are right. The teacher told Republican students to register as a Democrat |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
56. I teach college...I told my students to write ME in. . . |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Popular teacher? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The vast majority of students lean very far to the right, so yes, the teacher is popular. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. College may fix some of those who still lean right toward at least a moderate stance |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:10 AM Original message |
What's funny is that DiIulio left the WH and in a letter called the administration the reign of the |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
52. Better make a call to the ACLU about this. n/t |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Oh, I would forward that with a very strongly-worded message |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Reagan as the best president ever? Now that's hilarious! |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
94. I'm getting pissed... |
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Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
96. I grew up in the 'Burgh, in an "affluent" community. |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
108. The RW infiltration of social studies teachers has been one of the |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
129. Thanks for the review of the process. |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. You are correct about the publishers making out like bandits by |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Education has a tremendous number of flaws that seem designed around money. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
113. DiIulio? THIS DiIulio? |
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iris5426 (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
114. I'm near pgh as well |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. My daughter, a junior in HS this year, was laughing out loud |
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procopia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. This is why Bush believers insist |
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central scrutinizer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
99. As Orwell said |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. A quote from a song from the musical Wicked, "Wonderful" |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
87. Example? |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Somebody else asked for an example too. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
8. The majority of textbooks are published in Texas, and for more than 30 years |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
10. Let's K&R it people |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. Off to the greatest page. Remember how the Nazi's took power? |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. No, I don't... |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. good one |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Zing! |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Oh good, a whole new generation of Cheney Youth. |
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NinetySix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
15. "When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school... |
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ashrob123 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
19. This is why people want to teach their children at home |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
70. There also are plenty of people who want to teach children at home to prevent them from hearing... |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
95. you mean "isn't indoctrinated..." no? n/t |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
109. Hmm...perhaps their Freudian slip's showing a bit? |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
21. No wonder they all want to wait for history's judgment on Bush |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
23. This kid is going to be a great person to add to the liberal |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. Yeah, that "liberal" James Q. Wilson |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
31. Here is a link to the paper published by the Center for Inquiry which backs up the student's claims |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
32. What's new about this? |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
110. See post 108 for answer. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
35. Nothing new has changed in our dear old system of truth and |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well... I think things have changed just a little... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Clue me to the 'hundreth monkey' phenomenon! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Ah it's just an old discredited theory... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
68. Thanks for the enlightenment. I thought you talking about the main |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #35 |
45. People's History of the US got taught at my kid's HS |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
101. Exactly. |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
39. K&R! |
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Caria (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
40. "Science doesn't know..." |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
74. I wouldn't be surprised if |
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BadgerKid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
42. Revisionist history in the making |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. All history is revisionist - |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
44. Fortunately, the books are not a problem in some places |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
46. The fact that the text is biased is not the problem, per se, it is that it is presented as THE TEXT. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
47. No checks on the truth before publishing ...how nice and good for the revisionists too.... |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. California requires a semester of geography in |
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gimberly (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
102. Global warming is a fact. The 'Theory of Global Warming' attempts to explain causes |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
49. they took over the textbooks FIRST!!!! |
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sun zoom spark (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #49 |
72. I checked, after my heart began beating again: not the Texas Gablers (thank goodness) |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. phew |
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Crowman1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
50. This isn't new. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
51. Every time someone used to say, "History will look poorly on this administration", I brought this up |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. Now right wing think tanks will think their entitled to do the same |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
54. Calm down...I'm a social studies teacher |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I am glad to read this. . . |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. I would say I usually |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. When I taught high school English, I hated my textbooks. |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. OK...I did find a good book recently...It was BANNED in Texas. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
123. Of course it was banned. |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. Weird. Perhaps they meant his character Anna Karenin? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #80 |
124. Yeah. They mixed up his character and him. In his bio. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. A good teacher, such as yourself, makes a world of difference. It |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
57. can this kid run for president? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
127. Yes, in 2028. -nt |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
58. I am old enough to remember the era when it was USSR that was |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Like I've been saying, those guys learned the wrong lessons of the Cold War. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
112. One of my favorite quotes from the movie Fail-Safe: |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
59. I would never use this book, but.... |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
63. I wonder if that book is strewn with |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
73. Woot Matthew LaClair of Kearny, N.J., !!!! |
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Flagrante (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. America (the book) |
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grmamo (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
77. Does anyone have a name and author of a good substitute history book?? |
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ptolle (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
79. this dilulio? |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
82. I like kids like this. Reminds me of me when I was that age. ;-) |
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Ian_rd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
84. These people never sleep. They never rest. They never take a five minute break. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
85. Sad |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
86. This kid was the same one who taped his teacher making religious staements to students. |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
88. It's a shame when the kids have to correct the curriculum. |
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xioaping (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
116. Two meanings in that post title from different experiences |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Are you referring to the Cultutal Revolution, or pre-Tienanmen??? |
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xioaping (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Yes, befor Tienanmen |
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xioaping (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. There is too much to tell but here is a bit |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. That's a pretty concise summary of 40 years of history. |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
90. Hurrah for my one-time home town! |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
91. Some of you are using the word "ban" as if it was a book burning.... |
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shagsak (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
97. Definitely not a new phenomena |
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That Guy 888 (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
98. When I saw this post all I could think of is... |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
104. Its happening already folks, revisionist history according to GOP |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
105. Read: LIES MY TEACHER TOLD ME |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. I'm glad you posted this.... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #105 |
128. I'm SO buying this book. -nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
106. The politicization of knowledge is nothing short of totalitarianism. |
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dubeskin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
111. I'm an 11th Grader. Let me give you my perspective... |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #111 |
120. I'm glad you can discern the right-wing slant coming from your teacher.... |
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xioaping (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
115. Here is what edition one and revised text say |
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nikto (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
117. I am a teacher and... |
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xioaping (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #117 |
132. Why give them the establishment view first |
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junior college (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
118. The kid is rad. nt |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
121. BEST CHAPTER: HOW KING GEORGE W III BECAME A VIET NAM WAR HERO |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
122. "now the wingnuts are writing the textbooks!" |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
126. John Dilulio was Dimson's head of the White House's religion-based initiative office |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
133. Since at least the 60s. |
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