California's top court seems split on gay marriage

[David Zephyr]

Source: Reuters

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The California Supreme Court appeared divided on Tuesday over whether to allow gay marriage during nearly four hours of oral arguments on the contentious issue that could impact gay rights nationwide.

Several of the seven judges asked whether the state legislature might better decide whether matrimony should be limited to a man and a woman, while others pointed to how the same court ended the state ban on marriages between blacks and whites after World War Two.

"I think it's going to be a divided opinion but I wouldn't want to predict who will win," Christopher Krueger, a lawyer representing the state attorney general who presented arguments before the judges, told Reuters.

The hearing brought into focus the highest-profile U.S. fight over gay rights in recent years and the outcome could influence legislation and lawsuits in other states on what has been a hot-button issue in recent election campaigns.

Full Story at this link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080304/us_nm/rights_california_gays_dc


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080304/us_nm/rights_california_gays_dc

[cboy4]

1. Either way, I'm sure teh gays will be blamed once

again for costing Democrats the election.

[David Zephyr]

4. Isn't that they saddest truth of all.

Direct action over electoral action is my mantra.

[harmonicon]

5. of course they will

and they do! by causing floods, fires, hurricanes and terrorism, they kill lots of potential Democratic voters. Dummies need to get their act together and stop making god hate America so we can get a Dem win!

[cboy4]

6. I believe we cause deadly tornadoes also, but I'm

going to have to check with Pat Robertson, et al.

[harmonicon]

8. what people don't realize....

... is that the problem with the purse wasn't that it was "gay", but that it could have been a dastardly terrorist purse-nuke!! (puke, for short)

[Q3JR4]

17. .....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/14733/2/FamilyGuy-FalwellRobertson.mov

:hide:

[leQ]

29. lets not forget terrorist attacks (remember 9/11 is our fault) (n/t)

on edit: typo

[TimmyTims]

10. Can we put this to bed?

During election time so we can actually win the White House for Christ sakes?

Then, the a new Supreme Court can actually change things.

[cboy4]

11. NO.

What other questions do you have for us tonight TimmyTims?

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. Sure, why not? I mean, we are only talking fundamental human rights here

It's not like fundamental human rights should be a campaign issue or anything. :eyes:

[Q3JR4]

18. I agree TechBear_Seattle, it's not like

the U.S. is trying to be a bastion of freedom and equality, a beacon shinning the light of freedom for all oppressed peoples regardless of who they are, a place where anybody can live their lives without government intrusion.

Gay people should shut up and stay in the back of the bus. It was good enough for another group of people 60 years ago it should be good enough for them. I mean, come on, the fact that we even talk about letting them on the bus in the fist place should be good enough for everyone involved.

Simply put, electoral politics is too important to jeopardize for avoidable issues like justice, freedom, and individual rights (you know, the things that democrats are supposed to stand up and fight for).

:sarcasm: (Just in case there's any confusion)

[LostinVA]

16. I can't believe you're still here

[maddezmom]

19. they aren't

:hi:

[LostinVA]

20. Woohoo!

:bounce:

Thank you, mods!

[Zhade]

22. No. We've been second-class citizens long enough.

Don't like it? Fuck you.

[dbackjon]

32. Sure, as soon as you send me a check for $4,000

To cover the extra taxes my partner and I pay this year because we can't be legally married.

[LostinVA]

15. Just like they cost the election in 2006

Oh wait...

[LeftHander]

2. tie goes to the runner....same sex marriage wins....nt

[msongs]

3. the people obama agrees with are running an anti-gay marriage initiative campaign again. nt

[davidinalameda]

9. please provide some evidence of this

and not the same old McClurkin crap

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. That "same old McClurkin crap" is relevant, like it or not

How would you feel if Clinton campaigned with a noted Holocaust denier who blamed the Jews for their treatment at the hands of the Nazis? How would you feel if she campaigned with a prominent member of the KKK?

To those of us who actually are gay, McClurkin is no different.

[galledgoblin]

21. I disagree

McClurkin's just a loon who had unfortanute circumstances in his life and who I'd never heard of before the concert, despite years of activism within LGBT circles, not his politics nor his music.

I think it's entirely believable that the Obama campaign had no idea who McClurkin was, beyond seeing the "ooh, a Grammy winner" in his resume.

Obama firmly put himself in our campaign with his Jericho speech.

[davidinalameda]

24. I'm not familiar with the Jericho speech

I need to look into it

thanks

[TechBear_Seattle]

26. McClurkin is a loon who was asked by the Obama campaign to represent the candidate

If neither Obama nor his campaign staff can be bothered to put in even a modicum of research into who represents the candidate, they are too inexperience and/or too stupid to hold ANY office, and most certainly should not be elected to the presidency.

But even there, your supposition fails. Obama was told about McClurkin's work as an anti-gay activist and homophobic extremist. Obama responded, repeatedly, by making excuses about why that does not matter. As a gay man I find those excuses to be excrement. Sadly, this fits an on-going pattern of disregard for and ignorance about gay issues.

[davidinalameda]

23. I'm not gay for supporting Obama?

WTF?

why do you and the rest of the Clinton supporters choose to ignore the fact that SHE only supported repeal of part of DOMA which HER husband signed into law, while she was getting experience

why do you and the rest choose to ignore the fact that thousands and thousands of members of the GLBT community have voted for Obama, donated to him, worked for his campaign and are serving in various capacities in his campaign

you and yours dismiss any gay person who doesn't support Hillary

where was she when Bill signed DOMA and where was she when he signed DADT

[TechBear_Seattle]

25. I responded before noting who had posted. By then it was too late to edit

I'm very sorry about that. :blush:

Please note, though, that I never said Clinton was any better on gay issues. The points you raise about her are quite valid. With regards to equal rights and gay issues, I give BOTH candidates failing grades.

As for the question of why the GLBT community has tended to support Obama, I believe it is a matter of "the lesser of two evils," as Obama comes out very slightly better than Clinton... which is no complement to either candidate. I ferverently wish my peers would actually demand something from the Democrats, but the party has us so bullied with their argumentum ex boogeyman fallacy that GLBT people are delighted to have the Democrats -- ANY Democrat -- beat them within an inch of their lives because they fear a Republican will beat them within a quarter inch of their lives. It gets damned tiring.

[davidinalameda]

27. thank you for your apology

the next time I'm in Seattle, I want the apology in person!

:bounce:


:evilgrin:

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. I'll even throw in a latte at the very first Starbucks n/t

[davidinalameda]

33. I'm a Peets person

the BF works for them

[LeftHander]

7. The future will show that equality was seen to supecede the will of a hostile majority..nt..

[gratuitous]

14. So, if the society doesn't recognize equal rights

Then it doesn't tax folks denied their rights at the same rate, right?

[Orsino]

28. Split over "whether to allow gay marriage" is the wrong framing.

They're split over whether to continue supporting discrimination.

[leQ]

30. you hit the nail squarely on the head there orsino. n/t

[ohio2007]

34. Gay Iranian Will Be Executed If Deported ( let them be judged by a jury of their peers....oh wait )

They don't have such problems over there

Gay Iranian Will Be Executed If Deported video
gay Iranian man who sought sanctuary in Britain has appealed to the Government not to send him home. Mehdi Kazemi fled to the UK but is now in the Netherlands. He says if he goes back to Iran he will be executed.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d7_1204850549

Shouldn't they protest this at the next gay pride parades around the world ? ..oh wait....

lol

/sarc