German disbelief over 9/11 (20% say US gov sponsored 9/11)

[Nambe]

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters)

One-third of Germans under age 30 believe the U.S. government may have sponsored the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, according to a poll.

And about 20 percent of Germans in all age groups hold this view, according to a survey of 1,000 people conducted for the weekly Die Zeit.

The poll also said 68 percent of all Germans felt the media had not reported the full truth behind the attacks, in which some 3,000 people were killed when hijacked planes were crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. ---

Banish bush From Texas Too

[GumboYaYa]

1. Pretty much every lesson you need in life can be traced to

the lessons you learn early in life.

Bush is the boy who cryed wolf. Now the townspeople won't believe a wolf is there when he screams it. It's scary to think what will happen when the real wolf shows up.

[htuttle]

2. So, is the RNC at least going to pick up the fuel bill for that stunt?

For a carrier group and a few jets, it shouldn't be more than a few hundred thousand dollars.

[CafeToad]

3. On the topic of European public opinion polls

(sorry it this post is a tad off-topic),

I've come across the following:

http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3131040

An ICM poll in the Guardian newspaper showed public trust in Blair -- once one of the most popular prime ministers in British history -- slumped by 12 points in the past month to 39 percent.

It also showed Blair's personal approval rating had dropped to minus 17 -- down from plus seven on the so-called "Baghdad Bounce" in the immediate aftermath of the war.

Note in particular Blair's personal approval rating had dropped to minus 17 - minus 17??? that's pretty darn low, how do you do that, are the cows now against Blair too?

[ferg]

4. approval - disapproval

More Brits disapprove of Blair than approve of him.

[CafeToad]

5. OK, what about the 'trust' poll

Shouldn't that one be at minus 11 then?

And the minus 17 rating - does that mean that 33% (i.e., 50% - 17%)approve? But then wouldn't 67% DISapprove (i.e, 100% - 33%) resulting in a minus 34% (i.e, 67% - 33%) differential?

Or is it that 58.5% of the people DIsapprove and 41.5% approve? (the minus 17 figure).

Note that I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, just understand UK polling figures (I think you guys have a different definition of 'billion' or 'trillion' or some such large number that's messed up my calculations in the past . . . but that's a different issue)


all the edits to try to get the numbers explained comprehensibly!

[pansypoo53219]

7. yes

how can you have a minus number???

[lcordero]

6. Look at this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

<i>A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.</i>

:evilgrin:

[Loonman]

8. Germans have a unique perspective on power-mad dictators

They "won't get fooled again"!

[Wonder]

9. the germans, the french, many in the arab world

and pakistan too. When things are obvious they are just plain obvious. Does not matter how they attempt to brush it under the rug.

[Sterling]

10. SGTV's Osama is a Bush has been making the rounds

in Germany. I guess we can take a small bit of credit for this information taking hold over there.

You can get "Osama is a Bush" from GlobalFreePress.com

[Turley]

11. More on that

I get a German publishers advertisement every weekend in my mailbox. 9/11 conspiracy books have been a mainstay for the last year. They seem to be very popular.

[bpilgrim]

12. only a matter of time, as the virus spreads, before we see it here

i know we all are doing our part to help it spread ;-)

peace

[0007]

13. If any country in the world would know

it would be Germany.

The whole world should focus on the common center of the Israel & Arab heat score.

Some how I feel that the Arab is the step child and is being treated differently in all respects because of the fragmentation of their Islamic belief.

I do not believe that Israel is God's chosen. It appears that America does. (Bible thumpers) But that is just my opinion.

[Easy]

14. Funny that Die Zeit released these numbers

because in their last editorials the message was always something like "okay, maybe Bush wasn't completely honest and stuff, but, well, the end justifies the means, and he did liberate Iraq after all." Two examples (in German):

July 17th, 2003:
"Hilfe für die Helden (Help for the heroes)"

An article about how Bush did the right thing, but maybe the wrong way, and how the German government should help the US clean the mess up to improve the German-American relationship (what I would call boot-licking, btw.).


July 24th, 2003:
"Wer einmal lügt... (Who lies once...)"

An article basically about the same as the one above. Bush and Blair should not have lied about the wmd, because now everybody has a hard time believing them in other matters. But all in all they did the right thing, and if everything turns out fine, everyone will accept that they were right, and - after all - the end does justify the means.


I cancelled my subscription three days ago.

~Easy

[gandalf]

15. Cancelled Zeit subsription: Good idea

I used to read Die Zeit very intensively, some years ago. But it is my impression that they changed their direction, at least with Joffe and Naumann as editors, if not before. They supported the Iraq war (“the war will be fought not because but in spite of the oil”).
The article that discusses the „conspiracy believers“ (who are in a “conspiracy hallucination”) is typical for the German media, in my opionion.
They treat the fact that many people do not believe the US administration and even think it possible that they are responsible for the attacks like an interesting phenomenon. Naturally their (conspiracy believers’) opinion is utter nonsense, but we, Die Zeit, will try to explain it, because we are interested in this phenomenon.
“Conspiracy theories are attractive because they make life easier.” OK, people have that opinion because the world would otherwise be too complicated for them (poor fools). That perhaps some things concerning 9/11 presented as facts are simply not true or not convincing (I am polite here) is not considered. But what is so complicated with the official theory “Bin Laden is responsible, some crazy Arabs did it” that you need a new conspiracy theory?
German author Mathias Bröckers sold his standard book about 9/11 130,000 times. He stands for “dummy enlightenment”.
The big danger of conspiracy theories is explained in the end of this journalistic masterpiece: It is only a little step to pathological paranoia.
I will consult my doctor tomorrow and never read Die Zeit again.