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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:16 AM Original message |
Exxon wins freeze on $12 billion of Venezuelan assets |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh so that's why I see so many negative news stories about Chavez! |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. No it's because he is a negative person, caught stealing in this instance. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Feel free to provide facts to back up your claim Hugo Chavez has stolen from Exxon. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
84. well, PDVSA, a company controlled by Hugo Chavez |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. So they invested $1 bil & want $12 Bil for 40% share? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. no, they simply identified assets to freeze |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Oh really, please provide some evidence thanks n/t |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I think it has more to do with him having oil, and the powers that be in this country wants their |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. If he stole from Exxon he should be given a medal. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. interesting take |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
57. Harder than backing up your previous assertion? |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
100. Congressional medal of honor no less. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. +1 |
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SpikeTss (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
76. Very well said! |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
103. Right on |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. When you take the property of thieves (Exxon), you are not stealing you are penalizing. |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
78. One (company or otherwise) is not a thief unless there is a trial. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Holly S*, oil was made by God. According to a pentecostal preacher |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. " ... In June last year, Venezuela passed a law, under which multinational companies should give ... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
87. doesn't this just prove |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. This Exxon... |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Scum. They don't need any compensation unless they are going |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. "The Exxon-Venezuela dispute .. aroused market concerns ... Prices of light sweet crude .. rose ..." |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. And so Exxon recoups their money through ever increasing oil prices. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Then maybe, just maybe, |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Chavez will simply |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. Citgo: Court orders won by ExxonMobil won't affect operations |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. more likely |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. Venezuela is Exxon's #1 enemy. This "nationalization" |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Chavez is using oil profits to feed, house and educate the poor. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Your Post Deserves a Separate Thread |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Looks as if there are still far more people around than you'd expect who actually imagine it's the |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. That's stealing poor people natural resources "legally" n/t |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Yes, Hugo is just Hugo |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Chainsawing union workers and throwing their body parts into mass graves is NOT |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Again, dude...it's a lawsuit |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Rage for Order, Exxon Mobile is not a corporation. It is a floating country, |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. do you feel the same way about PDVSA? |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. hear, fucking, hear! |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. technically |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. Good post |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
79. Don't laugh, but for a split second, I thought you'd written that it was |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. So for less than a week's profits, they want to tie up $12B? |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
14. Any country that wants to nationalize |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I find it interesting that this time, it appears to be "honest" ... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
91. That's It, In A Nutshell. |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
18. Obtaining other country's oil the 'Iraq-way' is too expensive? |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. what absolute bullshit |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Most excellent-ly stated |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Pillage is behind all the interventions in latin america |
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nels25 (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. He has already said the he |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
20. Venezuela is a member of the WTO: Please see edit |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
47. Yup. World Bank "arbitration." First world financiers have been using the World Bank |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Venezuela is a signatory to the treaty allowing this |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Yeah, and we have a treaty that forbids torturing prisoners, with the Bush |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
110. in one thing you are wrong |
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inMD (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
21. Hugo didn't overplay anything |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. agreed |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. "All Exxon is doing ...." |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. the assets are frozen, they were not given to Exxon |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. A note here confirms what you say |
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inMD (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Your argument will not hold water in court |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Not in a court that favors theft from the Venezuelan people, no. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. that would depend upon what agreement was made with Venezuela |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The court should focus on how those agreements were obtained |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. absolute, could be a factor, kick backs and bribes and the like could nullify the agreement |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. If the court overturns valid contracts the law means nothing |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. contracts should be invalidated when circumstances have changed |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It doesn't matter if Chavez was in power in 1990 or not |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. the constitution may be a contract with the people but not with corporations |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. The US Constitution was designed to be amendable. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #77 |
95. well Exxon signed a contract with a corrupt government, that should make it invalid |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Every government in the world is corrupt |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
88. I agree |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Then Exxon should be getting back 700 millions not 12 billions |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
105. No it doesn't seem fair. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. and, of course |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
80. Even the kinds of capitalist traitors who customarily sell their country down the river, |
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inMD (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. The courts will not agree with you, again... |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
22. FU*CK exxon FILTHY CORPORATION. I guess they need the money for the CEO´s bonuses n/t |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
23. Let's see: Bush thumbs his nose at international courts, yet... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. but if the countries that hold Venezuela's assets do recognize the jurisdiction |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. So, while the US Congress may not want to hold Bush accountable for his crimes... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I would assume that would be up to those countries who might possess Bush's assets |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. In this case, Venezuela has volunteered to be under this court's jurisdiction |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
38. When the people retake the world, |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
43. So much for intelligent analysis. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. thanks for the Fox News spin |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I agree that Exxon is probably not wrong here but... |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Thanks for that "reasoned" analysis. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. "Federal income tax bill of $27 billion?" |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #64 |
102. actually, ChevronTexaco remains in negotiations with PDVSA |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #102 |
109. CORRECTION |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
45. Found an article written in Spanish at a Venezuela tv station's website |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
49. Two articles of interest: It's only $300 million cash that is frozen (says a Venezuelan |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. Venezuela denies PDVSA asset freeze (Xinhua) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. Sentence against Venezuela seeks to create crisis in the country (ABN via Mathaba) |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
107. 60% you say? |
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bluestdogest (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. "Hugo overplayed his hand" is the understatement of the century. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #56 |
81. While the rest of the world will be prospering, eh? Only the second part of your username |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. I hate those damn greedy f-ing oil companies. |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Those oil companies |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. No, I suppose they're not more greedy. Just stronger. Do you live in |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Interesting looking back to 1989, knowing we heard NOTHING when Venezuelan U.S-pleasing President |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. My point was... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Casuistry a child would be ashamed of! Exxon has always been greedy as have its |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Thanks for the accusations |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. "Just because I don't have "Marx" in my name and don't spout mindless sound bites |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. Never noticed your signature line before, have never heard it. It's exceptional. n/t |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-13-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
112. Thank you, Judy. I enjoy following your struggles for the oppressed peoples |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
93. I suspect if the true value of Exxon's assets were known, the company would be sunk. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. Exxon deserves everything bad that happens to it. n/t |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-12-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. Chavez will see that "we pay at the pump" |
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