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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:41 PM
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Columbia professors plan to visit Iran to apologize to Ahmadinejad
Source: Tehran Times

Columbia professors plan to visit Iran to apologize to Ahmadinejad



NEW YORK (MNA) – An academic delegation of Columbia University professors and deans of faculties plans to visit Tehran to officially apologize to Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad.


The delegation plans to express regret for the insulting remarks Columbia University President Lee Bollinger directed at Ahmadinejad on September 24 in his introductory speech, the Mehr News Agency correspondent in New York reported.

Since the incident, the deans and professors from the faculties of history, anthropology, Middle Eastern studies, philosophy and Islamic studies have criticized Bollinger’s behavior toward Ahmadinejad.

A member of the delegation, who requested anonymity, said the main goal of the visit is to meet the Iranian president and officially apologize to him.

“The delegation has also prepared its itinerary,” he noted...>




Read more: http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=160902
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:44 PM
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1. Falafel man's head is gonna explode
He'll be ranting about the evil academia. Wait, I don't think he'll be able to pronounce "academia."
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 PM
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2. It's good to see somebody is concerned about our image.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:59 PM
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3. Wow... Good for Them!!!
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:00 PM by fascisthunter
And us..... kick


PS - the neo-nuts are gonna be disappointed.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:01 PM
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4. Good for them!
That was a national embarrassment.

Wether he deserved it or not is not for me to say, nor him. Fine example of the "ugly American".
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:06 PM
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5. I wonder if they will also apologize...
...for allowing gays in New York.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:50 PM
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27. it is possible to think that
visiting dignitaries shouldn't be introduced at domestic universities in such a disrespectful way WHILE thinking that Ahmedijinad and his theocratic friends are completely mistaken and ignorant in their conceptions of homosexuality in society.

He's totally ignorant on gays..but that doesn't give a free hand for domestic University presidents to lash out at the President of another nation.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:14 PM
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6. Will they kneel and kiss his ass?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:21 PM
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7. They need to talk to the Supreme Leader
not his puppet. Really, talk to the source. Ali Khamenei, he is the organ grinder, Ahmadinejad is the monkey.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:24 PM
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8. It's good they're taking the time to remind people they've got someone on board there
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:25 PM by Judi Lynn
beyond the idiot who spoke on their behalf, burbling such pathetic, childish, crude gibberish. He embarrassed all the rational people in the country.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:27 PM
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9. Good for them, Lee Bollinger's speech was an embarrasment to this country (n/t)
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:36 AM
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17. don't think i could disagree with you more.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:27 PM
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28. The speech was grounded in mistranslationed and misunderstood context.
I would not be an apologist for the Iranian positions, but taken in context and properly translated they are nothing like what the press here has made them, and nothing like their characterization in the speech at the time.

I can only think that this move by the university is based upon a realization of facts vs hype, and it is a credit to them that they would go to this extent.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:55 AM
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29. a friend of mine attends columbia.
he (and myself as well) are firm in our belief that there is absolutely no reason for bollinger to apologize for the comments he made. he is not a diplomat, nor was that event a diplomatic forum. i was , however, unaware of any translation problems. but thank you for the insight, i will look into it further :hi:
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:03 PM
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32. Here is one good link from my past reading
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:35 PM
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10. Ah, diplomacy.
Somebody still remembers what it means to treat one another as fellow human beings, whether or not we agree socially or politically.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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11. k&r... n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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12. Maybe they can apologize that we have homosexuals in this country
After all, he considers them a problem, well, until they are executed.

I think my head will explode.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:30 AM
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13. maybe they want to dig up Khrushchev and apologize for Nixon's comments
maybe find Hitler as well and apologize to him for comparing Bush to him

I'm sure that we can find other totalitarian rulers to apologize to while we're at it

apologizing to this waste of oxygen is a waste of time

I wonder if this "delegation" will see if there are any gays in Iran or not, or are have they all been murdered by the government?




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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:22 AM
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14. Oh great, more fodder for the anti-acadamia people
I can already hear jackasses I know saying "GEE, THERE'S A LIBERAL BIAS IF I EVER SAW ONE!!"
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:06 AM
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15. I smell a hoax.
Not a single participant in the alleged trip is actually named.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:36 AM
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16. yeah i'll believe it when i see it.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 AM
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18. There's a whole heap of ...
...jobs coming up at Columbia.

Those turkeys'll be off to Gitmo after consorting with that terrrist with noocular ambitions.
They'll definitely need water boarding.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:23 AM
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19. "We're sorry we told everyone what a giant bag of douche you are." n/t
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chunkylover55 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:00 AM
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20. HERE'S HIS SPEECH:
Read it and tell me if you think he has anything to apologize for. I certainly do not:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/07/09/lcbopeningremarks.html


President Lee C. Bollinger's Introductory Remarks at SIPA-World Leaders Forum with President of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Sept. 24, 2007

I would like to begin by thanking Dean John Coatsworth and Professor Richard Bulliet for their work in organizing this event and for their commitment to the role of the School of International and Public Affairs and its role in training future leaders in world affairs. If today proves anything it will be that there is an enormous amount of work ahead for all of us. This is just one of many events on Iran that will run throughout this academic year, all to help us better understand this critical and complex nation in today’s geopolitics.

Before speaking directly to the current President of Iran, I have a few critically important points to emphasize.

First, since 2003, the World Leaders Forum has advanced Columbia’s longstanding tradition of serving as a major forum for robust debate, especially on global issues. It should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas we deplore in any way implies our endorsement of those ideas, or the weakness of our resolve to resist those ideas or our naiveté about the very real dangers inherent in such ideas. It is a critical premise of freedom of speech that we do not honor the dishonorable when we open the public forum to their voices. To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

Second, to those who believe that this event never should have happened, that it is inappropriate for the University to conduct such an event, I want to say that I understand your perspective and respect it as reasonable. The scope of free speech and academic freedom should itself always be open to further debate. As one of the more famous quotations about free speech goes, it is “an experiment, as all life is an experiment.” I want to say, however, as forcefully as I can, that this is the right thing to do and, indeed, it is required by existing norms of free speech, the American university, and Columbia itself.

Third, to those among us who experience hurt and pain as a result of this day, I say on behalf of all of us we are sorry and wish to do what we can to alleviate it.

Fourth, to be clear on another matter - this event has nothing whatsoever to do with any “rights” of the speaker but only with our rights to listen and speak. We do it for ourselves.

We do it in the great tradition of openness that has defined this nation for many decades now. We need to understand the world we live in, neither neglecting its glories nor shrinking from its threats and dangers. It is consistent with the idea that one should know thine enemies, to have the intellectual and emotional courage to confront the mind of evil and to prepare ourselves to act with the right temperament. In the moment, the arguments for free speech will never seem to match the power of the arguments against, but what we must remember is that this is precisely because free speech asks us to exercise extraordinary self- restraint against the very natural but often counter-productive impulses that lead us to retreat from engagement with ideas we dislike and fear. In this lies the genius of the American idea of free speech.

Lastly, in universities, we have a deep and almost single-minded commitment to pursue the truth. We do not have access to the levers of power. We cannot make war or peace. We can only make minds. And to do this we must have the most full freedom of inquiry.

Let me now turn to Mr. Ahmadinejad.

* THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN ON SCHOLARS, JOURNALISTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATES

Over the last two weeks, your government has released Dr. Haleh Esfandiari and Parnaz Azima; and just two days ago Kian Tajbakhsh, a graduate of Columbia with a PhD in urban planning. While our community is relieved to learn of his release on bail, Dr. Tajbakhsh remains in Teheran, under house arrest, and he still does not know whether he will be charged with a crime or allowed to leave the country. Let me say this for the record, I call on the President today to ensure that Kian Tajbaksh will be free to travel out of Iran as he wishes. Let me also report today that we are extending an offer to Dr. Tajbaksh to join our faculty as a visiting professor in urban planning here at his Alma Mater, in our Graduate School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation. And we hope he will be able to join us next semester.

The arrest and imprisonment of these Iranian Americans for no good reason is not only unjustified, it runs completely counter to the very values that allow today’s speaker to even appear on this campus.

But at least they are alive.

According to Amnesty International, 210 people have been executed in Iran so far this year – 21 of them on the morning of September 5th alone. This annual total includes at least two children – further proof, as Human Rights Watch puts it, that Iran leads the world in executing minors.

There is more.

Iran hanged up to 30 people this past July and August during a widely reported suppression of efforts to establish a more open, democratic society in Iran. Many of these executions were carried out in public view, a violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is a party.

These executions and others have coincided with a wider crackdown on student activists and academics accused of trying to foment a so-called “soft revolution”. This has included jailing and forced retirements of scholars. As Dr. Esfandiari said in a broadcast interview since her release, she was held in solitary confinement for 105 days because the government “believes that the United States . . . is planning a Velvet Revolution” in Iran.

In this very room last year we learned something about Velvet Revolutions from Vaclav Havel. And we will likely hear the same from our World Leaders Forum speaker this evening – President Michelle Bachelet Jeria of Chile. Both of their extraordinary stories remind us that there are not enough prisons to prevent an entire society that wants its freedom from achieving it.

We at this university have not been shy to protest and challenge the failures of our own government to live by these values; and we won’t be shy in criticizing yours.

Let’s, then, be clear at the beginning, Mr. President you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator.

And so I ask you:

Why have women, members of the Baha’i faith, homosexuals and so many of our academic colleagues become targets of persecution in your country?

Why in a letter last week to the Secretary General of the UN did Akbar Gangi, Iran’s leading political dissident, and over 300 public intellectuals, writers and Nobel Laureates express such grave concern that your inflamed dispute with the West is distracting the world’s attention from the intolerable conditions your regime has created within Iran? In particular, the use of the Press Law to ban writers for criticizing the ruling system.

Why are you so afraid of Iranian citizens expressing their opinions for change?

In our country, you are interviewed by our press and asked that you to speak here today. And while my colleague at the Law School Michael Dorf spoke to Radio Free Europe viewers in Iran a short while ago on the tenets of freedom of speech in this country, I propose going further than that. Let me lead a delegation of students and faculty from Columbia to address your university about free speech, with the same freedom we afford you today? Will you do that?

* THE DENIAL OF THE HOLOCAUST

In a December 2005 state television broadcast, you described the Holocaust as a “fabricated” “legend.” One year later, you held a two-day conference of Holocaust deniers.

For the illiterate and ignorant, this is dangerous propaganda. When you come to a place like this, this makes you, quite simply, ridiculous. You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated.

You should know that Columbia is a world center of Jewish studies and now, in partnership with the YIVO Institute, of Holocaust studies. Since the 1930s, we’ve provided an intellectual home for countless Holocaust refugees and survivors and their children and grandchildren. The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history. Because of this, and for many other reasons, your absurd comments about the “debate” over the Holocaust both defy historical truth and make all of us who continue to fear humanity’s capacity for evil shudder at this closure of memory, which is always virtue’s first line of defense.

Will you cease this outrage?

* THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL

Twelve days ago, you said that the state of Israel “cannot continue its life.” This echoed a number of inflammatory statements you have delivered in the last two years, including in October 2005 when you said that Israel should be “wiped off the map.”

Columbia has over 800 alumni currently living in Israel. As an institution we have deep ties with our colleagues there. I personally have spoken out in the most forceful terms against proposals to boycott Israeli scholars and universities, saying that such boycotts might as well include Columbia. More than 400 college and university presidents in this country have joined in that statement. My question, then, is: Do you plan on wiping us off the map, too?

* FUNDING TERRORISM

According to reports by the Council on Foreign Relations, it’s well documented that Iran is a state sponsor of terror that funds such violent group as the Lebanese Hezbollah, which Iran helped organize in the 1980s, the Palestinian Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

While your predecessor government was instrumental in providing the US with intelligence and base support in its 2001 campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, your government is now undermining American troops in Iraq by funding, arming, and providing safe transit to insurgent leaders like Muqtada al-Sadr and his forces.

There are a number of reports that also link your government with Syria’s efforts to destabalize the fledgling Lebanese government through violence and political assassination.

My question is this: Why do you support well-documented terrorist organizations that continue to strike at peace and democracy in the Middle East, destroying lives and civil society in the region?

* PROXY WAR AGAINST U.S. TROOPS IN IRAQ

In a briefing before the National Press Club earlier this month, General David Petraeus reported that arms supplies from Iran, including 240mm rockets and explosively formed projectiles, are contributing to “a sophistication of attacks that would by no means be possible without Iranian support.”

A number of Columbia graduates and current students are among the brave members of our military who are serving or have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. They, like other Americans with sons, daughters, fathers, husbands and wives serving in combat, rightly see your government as the enemy.

Can you tell them and us why Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq by arming Shi’a militia targeting and killing U.S. troops?

* FINALLY, IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND INTERNATIONAL SANCTIONS

This week the United Nations Security Council is contemplating expanding sanctions for a third time because of your government’s refusal to suspend its uranium-enrichment program. You continue to defy this world body by claiming a right to develop peaceful nuclear power, but this hardly withstands scrutiny when you continue to issue military threats to neighbors. Last week, French President Sarkozy made clear his lost patience with your stall tactics; and even Russia and China have shown concern.

Why does your country continue to refuse to adhere to international standards for nuclear weapons verification in defiance of agreements that you have made with the UN nuclear agency? And why have you chosen to make the people of your country vulnerable to the effects of international economic sanctions and threaten to engulf the world with nuclear annihilation?

Let me close with this comment. Frankly, and in all candor, Mr. President, I doubt that you will have the intellectual courage to answer these questions. But your avoiding them will in itself be meaningful to us. I do expect you to exhibit the fanatical mindset that characterizes so much of what you say and do. Fortunately, I am told by experts on your country, that this only further undermines your position in Iran with all the many good-hearted, intelligent citizens there. A year ago, I am reliably told, your preposterous and belligerent statements in this country (as in your meeting at the Council on Foreign Relations) so embarrassed sensible Iranian citizens that this led to your party’s defeat in the December mayoral elections. May this do that and more.

I am only a professor, who is also a university president, and today I feel all the weight of the modern civilized world yearning to express the revulsion at what you stand for. I only wish I could do better.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:43 AM
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21. In context, Bollinger does have something to answer for.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 AM by JackRiddler
Every word of Bollinger's speech can be true, and in context it's still part of something larger. A campaign of hatred was being run that week as propaganda preparation for an unprovoked U.S. war of aggression on Iran. He chose to contribute to it.

The illegitimate regime in the U.S. was preparing to attack Iran - which would have been an act of mass murder, certainly not out of any humanitarian considerations! - and Bollinger, whether in denial or not, was helping. (If the attack hasn't happened since then, it's largely because even the U.S. intelligence and military services mutinied and contradicted the Bush regime's lies about Iran's nuclear program.)

Imagine the same treatment accorded to other invited speakers; it may be unprecedented. Would Bollinger have been this forthright with Olmert about Israeli seizure of Palestinian lands, let alone with Bush about his many crimes? And if he had been, what would have been the reaction in the U.S. press? His was an act of cowardice: he caved in to the propaganda pressures of the yellow press and shock radio in that same week, rather than doing anything he'd planned to do all along. In the process, he served to legitimate Ahmadinejad as the victim in the eyes of the world outside the propaganda bubble of the U.S. right wing.

Again, the truth of Bollinger's critique is secondary. Don't pretend you don't see the context. He was joining in a pile-on, there was nothing courageous about it.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:38 PM
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26. thanks for posting the speech
maybe some of the totalitarian apologists on here will read it
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:57 AM
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22. This sounds both unnecessary and improbable..
should foreign university professors have to go to America to apologize if a colleague criticizes Bush?

I think this may be 'wishful thinking' on someone's part in Iran. If it's true, then sorry, but the professors are idiots. Giving him the freedom to speak (which they did) is one thing; apologizing for someone criticizing him is another.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:47 PM
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23. Best post of the thread..
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:26 AM
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30. I've just read Bollinger's speech. If it was merely criticism you'd have a point...
But since when has insulting someone invited to speak at a uni been acceptable or to be written off as merely criticism? The only idiot in that whole thing was Bollinger, who made a fool of himself...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:29 AM
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31. Well, supposing that Bush was invited to speak at an Australian or British university...
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 09:30 AM by LeftishBrit
and one of the professors at the lecture took the opportunity to say (e.g.) that he considered Bush to be a murderer and a war criminal? Would you say that the professor's colleagues - not even the professor himself but his colleagues - should feel obliged to travel to America to apologize to Bush?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:36 PM
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24. Oddly, I think this might be an even more accurate source.
However difficult it may be to believe that a conservative source might be accurate.

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http://www.nysun.com/article/69186

Yesterday, a spokesman for Columbia, David Stone, said, "The university has no knowledge or information about the claims being made in the Iranian media." The Mehr News Agency outlined the itinerary of the trip, reporting "that the delegation also plans to visit Iranian universities in various cities and to hold talks with professors and students, and may even sign memoranda of understanding with some universities." The report also said the delegation was scheduling a visit to seminaries and the shrine city of Qom.

"There is no truth to it whatsoever," a professor at Columbia specializing in Middle East studies, Gary Sick, said.

A professor of history at the Middle East Institute at Columbia, Richard Bulliet, said he had not heard of it. "There is not intention on the part of the Columbia administration to authorize a delegation," he said.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:36 PM
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25. where they will find nice people and political jerks
and learn that the Iranian landscape can be quite beautiful. The leaders, yeah, jerks.

side note on global climate change: Earlier this week, Iran had snow storms in the deserts, where no one has ever seen it snow before. BBC covered it.
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