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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:05 PM
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Lone trader caused 100 dollar price for oil
Source: AFP

Lone trader caused 100 dollar price for oil



NEW YORK (AFP) - A lone trader out to win a little fame made the purchase that took oil prices to the historic 100 dollars a barrel level this week but he lost 600 dollars on the deal, analysts said.

The trader has been named by US and British media as Richard Arens who runs a one man oil brokerage, ABS.

"The magic figure was hit apparently on the back of a single trade, rumoured to be a local intent on fame," Sucden analysts wrote in a commentary Thursday on the record breaking deal.

Arens offered 100,000 dollars on the New York market on Wednesday for 1,000 barrels of oil, producing the much talked of 100 dollars per barrel which sparked anguish across the financial markets.

He later sold on the contract for slightly below 100 dollars, taking a 600 dollar loss.

"It was just for the form; he wanted to be the first in the world to buy oil at 100 dollars," said Antoine Heff, an analyst at NewEdge.

The new price record came as a shock to the markets although many had been saying 100 dollars was inevitable at some point given strong demand and supply constraints.

Oil slipped back slightly but hit 100 dollars again on Thursday.

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Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080104/ts_alt_afp/commoditiesoilpriceoffbeat
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:06 PM
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1. I need a location so I can book a flight. I'll only bring my ass whoopin bag as carry on.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:09 PM
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2. You'll have to get in line
:rofl:
It's liable to be a LOOONG line.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:13 PM
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3. He only lost $600 on a thousand barrel trade...
so someone else bought the oil for $99.40 (at the minimum). So oil is at $99.40 or $99.10 or $98.45 a barrel, not $100... big deal. It's just a number. A number very near $100.

It's not like oil was at $32/barrel and this guy, all by himself, jacked up the price to $100/barrel.

We have Bush/Cheney for that.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:43 PM
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11. Exactly, the point is that it was close enough for one guy to bump it up
to $100. The cartels were happy keeping it as close to but not over 100 as possible.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:57 PM
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13. Here you go. Let me help you pack.


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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:05 PM
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14. You win the thread
.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:17 PM
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4. I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:22 PM
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5. TRUE DAT.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:24 PM
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6. I wish he had gone for 200 a barrel. nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:27 PM
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7. Isn't interesting that the price of gasoline rose $.13 a gallon here (sitting in the gas station's
storage tanks) because a barrel of oil briefly traded for $100?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:30 PM
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8. Exactly. Price has nothing to do with what the vendor paid for the gas. Only the psychology
...of what the customer allows, gouging-wise.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:33 PM
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9. Uh...Pretty sure George W. Bush caused $100 a barrel oil.
Let's see...

1) Failed to protect us on 9/11

2) Started illegal endless war

3) Direct representative of Big Oil in all matters pertaining to oil profits

Yep, It was Bush.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:41 PM
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10. well, there's that, too.
;-)
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:48 PM
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12. Don't you think that demand in China and India contributed? nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:20 PM
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15. as well. Plus the American appetite remaining essentially undiminished.
n/t
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:44 PM
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16. It gets more unappetizing every time I pay off my gas card. nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:45 PM
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17. that's for sure. I'm here in L.A., so the "non-use" of gas requires more strategizing.
n/t
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:23 AM
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33. Cutting up my gas card and selling one of our two cars. Going with one car which means only one to
Fill up.
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SyntaxError Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:59 PM
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23. Sure, pass the blame onto the brown people.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:47 PM
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27. You are kidding , right?
or are you so out of touch with what's going on in the world? How you you think they can be two of the largest as well as fastest growing economies in the world without a corresponding growth in energy consumption?

It takes a unique mind to spin economic reality into racism. :eyes:
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SyntaxError Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:22 AM
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30. of course I'm kidding...
I sometimes behave badly when I...err..breathe.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 08:27 AM
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34. OK - I sometimes have the same problem. nt
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:49 PM
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19. how about cheney's "secret" meeting back years ago
to work on "energy policy"? The meeting with the oil executives that he won't disclose what was discussed? How much you want to bet that this was what they had planned all along?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:20 PM
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28. Would not surprise me.
To make the circle complete though all we need for Cheney to say is "I am not a crook".
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:56 PM
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18. So what I am to be pissed about...
some dope that wanted a little fame or a market that is so fucked up that people can manipulate the market, kill people in the wallet and not give a shit.

welcome the dumbass ego centric morally corrupt corporate mentality, were jerks do shit because they can and damn all others.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:10 PM
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21. Doesn't matter that 'they' hate us
as long as we hate each other, now does it?

dp
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:13 PM
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20. So the Wall Street boys play Ivy League fraternity pranks at work...
and I pay for it at the pump?

Go fuck yourself!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:19 PM
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22. It was going to hit $100 anyway.
He just wanted to be first.
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SyntaxError Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:01 PM
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24. I think he personally had very little affect.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 09:01 PM by SyntaxError
It's like if a building was about to collapse any minute and then some asshat ran up and pulled a brick out right before it happened... or something like that.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:44 PM
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35. it's just a game to them and to pundits like Matthews
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CONN Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:13 PM
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25. Don't underestimate these guys -- remember Enron...
As Public Citizen reported, "Because of Enron’s new, unregulated power auction, the company’s 'Wholesale Services' revenues quadrupled—from $12 billion in the first quarter of 2000 to $48.4 billion in the first quarter of 2001."

In one January 2001 telephone tape of an Enron trader the public utility identified as Bill Williams and a Las Vegas energy official identified only as Rich, an agreement was made to shut down a power plant providing energy to California. The shutdown was set for an afternoon of peak energy demand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron#California.27s_deregulation_and_subsequent_energy_crisis
http://www.citizen.org/documents/Blind_Faith.PDF
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:25 PM
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26. What's really shocking is that one insignificant guy caused the
entire stock market to react.

This is a warning...

Warning...Warning Will Robinson!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:09 AM
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29. That is the happiest load of MSM misinformation/disinformation distraction with a grain of truth
horseshit I have heard...this year.

The "Lone Trader" theory is laughable, and yet I am ceratin it is technically true.

Meaningless, and lacking the information necessary to put it into context, but technically true.

The Bushies certainly have perfected the science of lying, of Plausible Deniability.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:32 AM
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31. He needs a good ass whooping and some DUing..........
Edited on Sat Jan-05-08 01:36 AM by Historic NY
We should show him the love. Were paying because this little shithead wanted to get his kicks. Our Congress was supposed to pass a law that closes the ENRON loophole but so far they have done nothing. Again the American people get the shaft.

http://www.senate.gov/~levin/newsroom/release.cfm?id=283456
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:13 AM
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32. So much for peak oil
It was all this guy's fault.

Yeah, right.
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