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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:00 PM
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Free drug samples go to wealthy and insured: study
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Insured and wealthy Americans were more likely than the poor to get billions of dollars in free drug samples distributed by pharmaceutical companies to win patient and doctor loyalty, a study released on Wednesday showed.

The pharmaceutical industry contends that the samples help the uninsured and people with low incomes, but the study of prescription use by nearly 33,000 U.S. residents during 2003 found that the neediest were least likely to get samples.

"Our findings suggest the free samples serve as a marketing tool, not a safety net," said Dr. Sarah Cutrona, co-author of the report to be published in the February issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade group representing most major drugmakers, called the study out of date and said a major facet of the problem is that many uninsured do not get healthcare from doctors' offices.

Samples are popular among doctors who want to try new drugs.

"As important as free pharmaceutical samples are in improving healthcare, they represent one - not the only - option for patients in need," Ken Johnson, a spokesman for the group, said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN3158060620080103



Don't you just love that "marketing tool"!

Let's not get medicine where there is need - let's put it to the market "want" test!

:grr:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:06 PM
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1. We got them from our clinic
They've never failed to give us free samples if we need them. The poorest people are on Medicaid so of course they aren't going to be given free medications, they already get medication free or for a dollar or two. People with insurance don't always have prescription coverage, or prescriptions still cost a fortune, that's why they get the free meds.

Are people intentionally dishonest, or just stupid. I really don't know.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:07 PM
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2. Duh. The poor don't usually get free samples at the free clinics and emergency rooms.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 03:09 PM by CottonBear
Most of the samples are given out by doctors at their private offices. This is not to say that some free or reduced price clinics don't give samples.

My progressive family doctor will not accept the food, drinks and free samples from the sales reps!

He does take the free pens and writing pads!
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:52 PM
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6. My hubby
gets all the free samples he can to give to his patients that can't afford to pay for meds. You have no idea how many people can't afford meds and go without.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:02 PM
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8. That is wonderful. I am lucky to have an excellent health plan through work but many people don't
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 04:03 PM by CottonBear
have a good plan or even insurance at all.

I want medicare and medicaid for all in the USA.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:07 PM
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3. You Could Argue, Of Course,
that giving free samples to people unable to afford the medicine has its own problems, especially if the medicine must be taken continually. The Nestle baby formula scandal was a specific example of that.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:10 PM
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4. The new meds are typically much more expensive than the old meds
and don't come as a generic because they're new.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:51 PM
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5. The whole thing is a mess, especially with psych drugs.
Giving psych med samples to someone who can't possibly afford the drug is downright dangerous, but I've seen doctors do that.

Say, for example, a doctor gives someone samples of an expensive anti-depressant. When the patient stops taking the med because they can't afford to refill the prescription they are going to be worse off than if they never started. It's better the doctor prescribes something on Wal-Mart's $4.00 formulary.


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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:54 PM
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7. It depends
on how many free samples the doc gets.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:38 PM
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10. In my own wretched experience I've learned not to depend on samples.
I'd be wary of anyone who suggested I do so. I only use them for my catastrophe kit.

If, for example, World War Three starts tomorrow and it's obvious I'll have to return to my hideous unmedicated self because the pharmacies are never going to be open again, I keep those handy blister packs of sample meds around to take me down slowly without overshooting my rather grim baseline.

Cold turkey and I'm in big trouble.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:23 PM
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17. I have to depend on those free samples
fortunately, the doc is a friend and understands my lack of coverage. I get the rest of the meds through Patient Assistance Programs available, but I know I cannot depend on them forever. Generics are not a help, because one medicine I am taking was $114... for the generic! Two out of my three medications are psych meds, and none of them are cheap.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:22 PM
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9. I'm not wealthy, but...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 05:23 PM by jaysunb
I am insured, and my cardiologist has been giving me samples of 5 drugs my insurance company won't pay for for years now.(they want to give up the generic only)
I'm really appreciative because if I had to pay for these drugs (even with a co-pay ) it would cost several thousand dollars a year.

I'm not sure what I'd do without the freebies.

Lipitor
Zedia
Coreg
Plavic
Altace
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:46 PM
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12. The problem here is that there are many people who are not so lucky.
For every person who gets a consistent supply of samples, there are many more who don't.

Overall we'd be much better off if we had a decent health care system in this nation, one where pharmaceutical companies paid more attention and dollars for actual research rather than promotion.

The pharmaceutical companies are not doing any favors with samples, they are doing it because it is profitable, even as the overall quality of people's lives in the United States suffers.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:44 PM
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15. wow... you have a very nice doctor
yes that`s a boat load of money
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:42 PM
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11. There was an impression that samples were meant for the poor?
It's always been my understanding that "free" samples were marketing tools. The doctor could give them to his patients and his patients could then buy them if they liked them.

With the multitudes of drugs available to treat a given malady, it's frequently a hit or miss approach that's needed to see what works best for an individual patient. Samples allow a doctor to have a patient try a drug before they buy it.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:12 AM
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21. That was also my understanding; that it was a very effective marketing tool.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:52 PM
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13. Hubby, a psychiatrist, only sees drug reps to get the samples for the county clinics
where he works so that patients can get a supply of needed meds.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:40 PM
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14. i have had good doctors though the years..
i have had doctors give me a years supply of lipator, several months of prilosec, and other free medicine through the years...of course i`ve had insurance
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:04 PM
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16. If I said what I wanted to
I would be in trouble...but this article is correct...the poor are screwed
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:35 PM
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18. I get them all the time from my doc and also from the
clinic. I'm on SS and disability.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:54 PM
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19. I get free samples from my doctors
sorry but I don't mind it

I might have insurance but I'm sure not wealthy


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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:15 AM
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20. Most of my family are in areas of healthcare
and while this may have been true several years ago I don't believe it to be true any longer. I believe very few people can not get needed medication because of cost with the various programs available including the sample programs, PPA, etc. Most of these programs are an answer to demands by Dem legislators, "either make sure people get their meds or we will" which isn't what the pharm. cos want. Some people are too proud to ask for help but those who do will almost always get that help IMHO. The stories of cheaper meds in other countries, the same meds far cheaper to veterinarians, mass marketing dollars spent vs. profiteering on others medication needs, etc have forced the pharmaceutical companies to be sure legislators are not being deluged with calls of "I eat cat food so I can buy my meds".
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