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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:42 PM
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Osama Bin Laden Releases New Message
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:49 PM by tbyg52
Source: Sky News

Osama bin Laden has released a new message aimed at Iraq's Sunni Arabs, warning them against joining tribal councils fighting al Qaeda.
In the new audio tape posted on the web, he also warned them not to participate in any unity government.

"The most evil of the traitors are those who trade away their religion for the sake of their mortal life," bin Laden said in the tape.

He denounced Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, the leader of the Anbar Awakening Council - a tribal force fighting al Qaeda in western Iraq - who was killed in a bombing in September.

Read more: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1298671,00.html



Edited to say: Yeah, I know. But NBC is touting it in a big banner on their site, so it's "news" of a sort. This is the earliest report I found in a news search.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:43 PM
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1. I thought he was dead. n/t
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:44 PM
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2. Wow, it's not even Easter.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:45 PM
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5. He is dead. Benazir Bhutto said so. That is why you never see him.
You don't trust intelligence estimates that those messages are really from Osama BL do you?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:09 PM
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12. I don't trust anything the government says,
sad to say.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:32 PM
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15. You do know there have been a couple of video tapes, right?
Not guaranteeing anything, but I find the underlying assumption on DU that Bin Laden is definitely dead to be as misguided as the assumption that the US had captured him and he's be unveiled right before the 2004 election.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:45 PM
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16. A couple of videotapes? - and a couple of audios ?
In the immortal words of Elaine Benes:

Fake - fake - fake - fake!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:14 PM
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21. Okay, so you're simply resistant to information not reenforcing your opinions? Got it. NT
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:41 PM
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22. Resistant to what?
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 04:41 PM by suston96
I do not pay attention to fake intelligence or fabricated propaganda from from any source, especially from dead people.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:16 PM
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24. I have it from a reliable anonymous source
that he's hooked up to dialysis in the basement in Crawford and NO ONE can convince him to forego the Lay's Chips and Dr. Pepper!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 10:23 AM
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41. ......and Kenny 'Boy' Lay is taking care of the bed pan and nightly
chores.
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quigleyunder Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:17 PM
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29. Bhjutto messed up the Bush's propoganda plans.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:08 PM
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11. Me too.
Maybe it's one of those pre-recorded-release-after-I'm-dead ones. ;-)
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quigleyunder Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:16 PM
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28. Bhutto said this!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:44 PM
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3. Fake...
...fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:47 PM
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7. Well, yeah, I know,
but the fact that the fake is released is news, of a sort. I noticed it in a "breaking news" banner when I was on NBC looking for something else, and this is the earliest item that turned up in a news search.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:17 PM
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31. Isn't it amazing that the media NEVER EVER questions the authenticity of these?
I think that's newsworthy in its own right.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:39 PM
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32. Isn't that the truth?
I'm wondering if this made the M$M nightly news tonight - I didn't watch. I notice it went to the top on Google news.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 10:15 AM
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39. *
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:45 PM
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4. How was it delivered? Via a Ouija Board?
The man is dead. His name is nothing but a propaganda tool now.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:46 PM
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6. Well we've all been waiting for his Holiday message
now we can go back to our regular channel (fear! fear! fear!)
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:55 PM
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8. Well....since it was reported he died in 2001, how will this play in Peoria?
Wasn't it reported that Bhutto stated last month that OBL was dead; had died in 12/2001 of kidney failure?

Will Amurika make the connection between this new tape & the fact he was reported dead?

This should be a barometer on how much the Avg Joe is "paying attention".

If it is recognized, then another BIG nail in the */Vader coffin!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:34 PM
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37. No, the video
had Bhutto saying, in a background-knowledge sort of way at the end of a list of other high profile facts that the interviewer (and audience) could reasonably be presumed to know, that the AQ guy who killed Richard Pearl executed UBL. And while the fact that he killed Pearl was high profile, it wasn't mentioned.

No indication as to how she knew and no expectation that this was new information on the part of the interviewer (the response of which was edited out, unless there was no response).

"Speech error" would come to mind had it been any other name.

But the way her utterance has been received brings to mind another phrase, "confirmation bias".
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:57 PM
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9. Well that didn't take long..
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:58 PM by indimuse
:think:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:06 PM
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10. Just in time! Save us Hillary! Protect Us, McCain!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:20 PM
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13. "We have aways been at war with the evil doers. Smirk." - Saudi bin Laden
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 03:21 PM by SpiralHawk


"We have always been at war with the evil doers. Smirk" - Commander AWOL

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:32 PM
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14. Oh so what.
All it does is remind everyone that BushCo didn't get him "Dead or Alive."

We really should have made a 'martyr' out of the guy. But no. Must not upset that delicate bullshit relationship we have with Musharif. And that has worked out so well for us. :eyes:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:54 PM
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17. Yeah, right.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 03:55 PM
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18. Right on schedule! Go away deadman!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:07 PM
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19. What a crock o' shit!
Again!
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:13 PM
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20. He will never die, so long as there is a use for these fake tapes!
It's a tradition is it not, to ring in the new fear?
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:52 PM
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23. Let's ignore the man behind the curtain

It's getting old on this bin Laden propaganda.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:27 PM
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25. Who is joining me in conspiracy corner?
Hmmmm powerful CREDIBLE leader says our big bad boogey man is dead....then she dies. Suddenly videotapes (that have no date reference or mention current events) show up "proving" big bad boogey man is ALIVE!!!

Now I understand why Bush said a few years ago he doesn't spend that much time thinking about Osama....he knew then he was dead.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:38 PM
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26. He'll be speaking at the GOP convention next year too...
don't ya know...:puke:
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 06:12 PM
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27. In the tape he said
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 06:13 PM by tomg
he was having New Year's dinner over at Emmanuel Goldstein's house with Elvis.



edit: typo
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:16 PM
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30. Wow, right on time -- they've got this down to a science n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:06 PM
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33. Bin Laden, like Al-Qaeda, is a phantom enemy...nt.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:09 PM
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34. another "audio " release
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 08:46 PM by ohio2007
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 10:06 PM
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35. The Yahoo News link said...
All the previous tapes this year were audio.

I'm confused, wasn't the "Just For Men" tape (where he'd dyed his facial hair darker and covered the gray), a video, with a visual of the new do? :shrug:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:06 PM
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36. The Iraqi's are "waking up and smelling the BS"
of his AQ fighters.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1198985683

They were invited in and they promptly started to abuse their Sunni hosts when the AQ law was being imposed on their hosts.

This released OBL audio is crying about the Anbar awakening.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Christmas just passed
Too bad we couldn't have had a video reprise of the Santa-like "fat Ossama" of a few years back.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 10:18 AM
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40. why would he come with this video and not say anything about
Bhutto getting killed???? recycling old videos perhaps? and I thought he was murdered.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:18 AM
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42. He wouldn't
I only posted it because I happened on it just after the "news" was released. It looks like even the M$M is mostly ignoring it, although, not watching it much, I'm not sure if I'm right about that.
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