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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:00 PM
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`The Daily Show and The Colbert Report returning to the air without striking writers
Source: AP

NEW YORK (AP) - «The Daily Show with Jon Stewart» and «The Colbert Report» will resume production on Jan. 7 without their striking writers, the Comedy Central network announced Thursday.

. . .

On Friday, leaders of striking television writers plan to meet with David Letterman's production company in an attempt to reach a separate deal that could return the Late Show to the air with its writing staff.

But The Daily Show and The Colbert Report rely far more on scripted material than those shows, which are more centered around interviews and musical guests.
In a joint statement, Stewart and Colbert said: "We would like to return to work with our writers. If we cannot, we would like to express our ambivalence, but without our writers we are unable to express something as nuanced as ambivalence."

A spokesman for Comedy Central said neither the network, Stewart nor Colbert would have any further comment. A call to the Writers Guild of America was not immediately returned late Thursday.


Read more: http://www.pr-inside.com/the-daily-show-and-the-colbert-r358598.htm
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:02 PM
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1. What does this mean? Anyone? They're going to wing it? nt
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:04 PM
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2. Scabs
They are going to use scabs.

Can't tell you how disappointed I am about this.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:05 PM
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4. Are you sure about that? Sources?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:12 PM
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6. No link but
how else? The shows can't be run without writers.

There were rumors earlier today about it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:13 PM
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8. He might be writing the shows himself. We will find out for sure
soon enough.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:17 PM
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10. Um. If he writes the show himself
going against the strike

isn't he then a scab himself?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:20 PM
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11. Is he one of the producers? That might be how he is doing it.
He might just have a small commentary and spend the rest of the show with a guest.

We will have to wait and see.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:45 PM
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34. They're probably just going to go on unscripted, and wing it.
That's not impossible for a good comedian, though it's certainly more difficult, and they're working without a net.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:37 PM
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38. Dying on stage can be as funny as when things are going well.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:44 AM
Response to Reply #34
44. A new show every night?
That would be very impressive but I'd also like an answer on the scab issue. My grandma went to jail for the unions and I've never crossed a picket line. She'd haunt me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:06 PM
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5. As much as I miss them both, I was hoping that wasn't the answer.nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:34 PM
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74. It almost certainly isn't the answer. That DU'er is talking out his ass.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:33 PM
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17. not necessarily...
i don't know how it works with the writer's guild- but back when i worked construction as a union laborer, individual companies/contractors could sign agreements with the union, in order to work during/thru a strike.
the contractor would agree to honor whatever agreement would ultimately be reached with the union, and the jobsite could keep working, even while other projects under other contractors were being picketed.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:45 PM
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21. That is how Stewart was negotiating, but those negotiations fell through
Which is why this article is entitled "without striking writers".

The WGA said no apparently. Letterman was also trying the same deal but so far no word on his negotiations.

Leno and Conan are coming back on air without any writers at all. They didn't even try for waivers.

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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:50 PM
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25. Letterman agreed to the same agreement the writers will reach with the WGA
Both Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are most likely members of the WGA, because they're credited as writers on the show.

I'm wondering if the press release is actually a joke.

Julie
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:40 PM
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39. A story in the Hollywood Reporter says on their return the 2 shows will play by WGA strike rules
the Comedy Central series hosts could find themselves toeing a narrow line between guild acceptability and audience approval.

The "Daily Show" the opening segment, in which Stewart riffs on the day's headlines with a set of scripted jokes, is unlikely to pass muster with the WGA. Guest interviews, on the other hand, are thought to be fair game.

Another area of uncertainty is the material between those segments, particularly "Daily Show's" corespondent segments with such personalities as John Oliver and Samantha Bee. All correspondents are returning to the air, Comedy Central confirmed, but it was unclear whether their reports from the field would be part of the shows.

"We're in very uncharted waters here," one TV executive said. "If a host thinks of a joke and then writes it down on a piece of paper, will the WGA consider that writing?" Making things more complicated, both Stewart and Colbert are members of the WGA.

The "Colbert Report" typically includes scripted segments like "The Word," its thinly veiled riff on "The O'Reilly Factor," which likely would be a no-go.

The network said it was working on an acceptable format for the scribeless shows but declined to reveal it. It's likely that interviews -- which typically take up only one segment on both Stewart's and Colbert's shows -- will play a more prominent role.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i074b6c9d80a4405042f632936c10b3fb?pn=1
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:54 PM
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40. I would bet they get a mailbox full of suggestions every day N/T
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
73. Wow, you just throw out the accusation "scabs" with no actual facts. How irresponsible.
Before the strike happened, they said they'd go back on the air doing interviews etc.

Some DU'ers are just so full of it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:05 PM
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3. That's good news.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:13 PM
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7. Writers? We don't need no stinking writers!
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 07:14 PM by Xipe Totec


(smilie added for the humor impaired)

:sarcasm:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:17 PM
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9. Apropos of nothing, but
anyone who uses that quote and a picture of Alfonso Bedoya is OK with me!


:hi:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:24 PM
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12. thanks!
It's Daily Show and Colbert Report withdrawal symptoms

:hi:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:31 PM
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16. I sure miss them, too. The TiVo is a whole lot emptier. If it wasn't for TCM,
I'd have nothing to record.


:evilgrin:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:25 PM
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13. Noooo!
Please let this be other than it seems. Scabs? Please no. I love those shows and miss them so much but this is just too disappointing. It will be a challenge to me, watch and feel like shit for it or not watch and feel like shit for it. I will wait until we see what is going on but it can't be good for the WGA so I will have to not watch, dammit!
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:25 PM
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14. corporate interests
This is a good way to get the radical writers in line with the corporate interests of media giant Viacom. Expect to see a new pro-DLC version of the shows coming soon near you.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:29 PM
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15. Well if they decide to cross the picket line, I for one want watch!
Peace!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:40 PM
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18. I want watch too!
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 08:12 PM by Xipe Totec
:hide:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:44 PM
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19. Recommend. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:45 PM
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20. If Stewart and Colbert are going to return, why don't they just say so?
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 07:46 PM by rocknation
And who is Viacom to say that they will have no further comment? Are they being forced to return in order to bust the writer's union--or THEIR union?

:scared:
rocknation
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:02 PM
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23. Money talks; maybe their sponsors are pressuring them? nt
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:45 PM
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22. That kills me-
I thought at least they would hold out. Are Unions dead in America?
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:27 PM
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24. Unless it's an unscripted show they are all scabs
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:14 PM
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31. It probably will be unscripted.
These guys have really been behind the writers, and in some cases are actually WGA members themselves, so I'm sure they will follow the rules to the letter.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:51 PM
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26. I will NOT cross this picket line!
We all need to turn the show off until the strike is over or they have a contract with these shows.

Sucks, huh?

Who's too cheap to negotiate, though?

The idea of never crossing a picket line is VERY difficult at times. That is the point! It means taking a stand. It is not "a stand" if it is easy.

Remember?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:52 PM
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27. Can somebody fill me in on what the writers are holding out for?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:02 PM
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29. Most writers are middle class. They struggle to pay bills. It's hard work to get.
Once they do their work there, they're entitled to a cut of the stories they write. Thus they get royalties from reruns and rebroadcasts of their work. That's fair.

Now the internet and DVDs are coming along and are starting to make money. The writers want a cut of that too, since it's still revenues generated by their labor.

Management is saying, "We don't know how much profit we can actually generate from online streaming and other new technologies, so we don't want to be locked into an agreement where we pay for something we're not making money off of."

The writers counter that they're asking for a cut, not a flat amount. No matter what money they make off the internet pointcasts, it's no different than broadcasts--"Give us a share no matter how small the cut turns out to be."
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:16 PM
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36. actually, they already get a cut of dvds and internet stuff, but they want to increase it
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:57 PM
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41. A percent of a percent of a percent perhaps
but not a fair share. What the WGA is asking for is not unreasonable.

But the AMPTP are exactly like GOPers. They have to WIN. Everything to them is about winning. I truly believe they would allow the AMPTP to be ruined and the whole organization go down in smoke before they gave an inch to the WGA and appear to the world as losers in this battle. Winning is the be all and end all. Winning just to win.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:17 AM
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61. Are you aware of what this existing "cut" is?
It is so marginal I laughed out loud when I heard what it was on NPR. Sorry that I don't have a link, but I'll sure try to find one with figures.

I mean its literally like a couple hundred bucks for a year.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
68. relative works for disney
for ten years in their online department. The company makes NO money off of streaming video. In fact it is still a monetary loss for them. What the writers are asking for is a share of a negative amount. I understand they feel burned on DVD sales. But they are also asking for the animation writers to be folded into their union and a couple of other things completely unrelated to the whole 'share the profit' stuff. So to say they just want a share is oversimplifying the argument.
So far the writers are only succeeding in punishing all those who come after them in the production line and not winning support in the process. This strike is really badly timed. There is a huge housing crisis in California on top of this strike. The studios have been planning for this strike and have material for a year stored up. The studio I work for (post production) has a ton of work through 2009 and all employees have been told to save up their pto for a lull in production. Add that to the fact that every waiter in this town has been hoping for a break in getting their script looked at, and things really don't look good for the writers.
I just hope the whole thing ends soon.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:57 PM
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28. I'm bracing myself for disappointment. The point of a strike is to shut down the business.
Unless they got something really clever planned, like maybe working on a separate deal with their union writers like Letterman is doing, this is categorically scabbing. There is no excuse for that. Given their past, I'll give them the benefit of a wait-see. But this sure looks bad.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:12 PM
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30. Do not watch these guys! Most of these writers work for slave labor wages.
These are not the same writers who do "The Matrix" or "Lord of the Rings." I'm sad about Colbert and Stewart. After everything they've said are they no more than their corporate whores?

What the big studios are trying to get away with here on Internet content is theft pure and simple.

Support these writers!
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:42 PM
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33. I would suggest that Stewart and Colbert not ask you to watch their backs.
They have done all they can to side with the writers. Now, they must do whatever they can to save their shows. Their progressive take on the news is tolerated by the corporations because they are popular and bring in viewers and revenue. If Stewart and Colbert honor the strike for too long, viewership will drop, and the shows could get cancelled.

Your not watching the show won't make one bit of difference. However, if a couple of million viewers stop watching them, the shows will be cancelled, and two more progressive voices on cable television will be silenced. That would be a disaster.

The union movement has been in decline since the 1970's. The hardest blow came when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers in the early 1980's. Expecting Stewart and Colbert to revive the union movement all by themselves is absurd.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:04 PM
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35. Have you ever been on a picket line
And seen people cross it?

These writers are putting their ENTIRE FUTURES on the line, and that is about a middle class existence but no more, to make sure that ALL OF THEIR BRETHREN are able to get a decent shake.

OK, let's be crass for a bit: Now, Jon Steward is a "star." Do you really believe that he will be unable to get another job? Does he need one right now? How much is he earning?

Yeah, it IS petty, isn't it?

Now, I have been on the "other side", where I needed to decide between working and crossing a picket line. I decide not to cross.

Again, these writers are sacrificing their entire livelihood, while the lawyers for the execs that they negotiate with have only a profit margin to lose!

Don't you get it? Have we really become so bankrupt that we believe that "two more progressive voices on cable television will be silenced" is more important than the everyday workers who are striking the show?

What a Faustian bargain indeed.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:10 AM
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43. If Republicans win office in this next election because progressive voices are stilled, then...
even if the WGA members win some "crumbs" at the bargaining table, they, and the rest of the country, will lose big-time for many years.

Back in the late 1970's, and the 1980's, the unions fought hard for their own pay checks, but in so doing, gave the corporations the tools that the companies needed to automate, and eventually off-shore, American jobs. A lot of union guys voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Reagan did more damage to the union movement than any single person when he successfully crushed the aircraft controllers strike. The demands and techniques of unions like the auto workers and the teamsters in prior years, turned the public against the controllers, even though the controllers actually had more right on their side, since many of their demands involved improving working conditions in that very important and highly stressful job.

FlyingSquirrel, a union member, puts it eloquently in another reply to the original post:

"On the other hand, I have to wonder about the timing of this whole thing, the corporations holding the line against the writers right at this moment in time during the primaries and who knows, maybe even up to the general election. Is it not possible that they WANT Colbert and the Daily Show offline so they can't constantly expose the hypocrisy, insanity and absurdity of the Repugs whom the corporations support (and are owned by)? Perhaps it's an act of true patriotism for Colbert and Stewart to return to their shows without the writers, and I should forgive the Union-busting aspect of it as the lesser of two evils."

Both Stewart and Colbert are progressives who have done a lot of good for the cause. I am sure that they would not take the actions they do without good reason. And, I don't believe that either would sell out merely for money as you imply. I have worked for corporations where I have been able to observe how executives think and scheme. These guys are ruthless and carry big guns. They would not hesitate to destroy someone's career, and I would never ask either Stewart or Cobert to let that happen. It would not help the writers in any way, and it would damage the progressive movement, which is all we have left to save our country.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #33
51. Don't give a shit. Because the battle is being lost is no reason to cave.
I expect them to do what anyother person would do. NOT cross the picket line.

Incidently, I'm not watching Leno or Letterman either. I don't give a shit, I have a principle, and that is to support workers trying to keep from getting ripped off by their corporate masters.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:22 AM
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42. the writers for shows like tds, colbert, leno, letterman do mostly current event-type humor...
and as such, don't have as much to gain from syndication, dvd sales, and the like- as do writers of things like dramas, sitcoms, movies, etc.

there just isn't much demand for the material once it's been aired, and the 'news' gets stale.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:06 PM
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58. Scale is between $3,627.00 and $4,598.00 PER WEEK depending on length of deal
Most people should be able to scrape by on that.

Writers have every right to fight for a better cut of the pie, but they have a responsibility to the rest of the industry to negotiate sincerely and vigorously before the expiration of a contract, and they have an obligation to not turn around and suddenly try to organize animation and reality while in the thick of an impasse.

The WGA has bungled this terribly.

Nobody likes having his or her income attached, that's why Americans hate income taxes so much. Of course corporations don't like this: it's siphoning off revenues. Writers certainly aren't going to refund any salary for writing a piece of shit that fails abysmally and gets canceled; that's how it works. A simple understanding of human nature comes in handy here, and the WGA seems to be quite lacking in it.

Let's look at a hitherto unmentioned aspect of this: the WGA characterizes the whole thing as a "rollback" of revenues, because the get nothing from downloads. "First use" revenues have always been without further compensation; that's what the salary is all about: you make this thing to be shown, and you get paid for it. The ancillary distribution argument is one where more monies are due when it gets a second life on additional platforms because it's a worthy and watchable thing. This has long since been accepted as a fair obligation, but the current situation is not so simple. Revenues are way down from broadcast and many people are watching the shows on the net as their prime and first (often only) viewing of the show. To expect revenues for "first use" is an attempt to get something never had before, not fighting a rollback. In this case, both sides are being quite dishonest with the facts.

Top this off with the wild and irresponsible (at this juncture, that is) demand to organize animation and reality, and it just throws gasoline on the fire. Meanwhile, the below-the-line workers are used as pawns, lose their jobs and will get absolutely nothing from a WGA victory.

There was a big rally and march in Hollywood a few weeks ago by the crafts unions; the WGA wanted to be a part of it and were astonished to find out that they were specifically told to stay away. This tussle will help nobody but the WGA, DGA and SAG, so IATSE and the Teamsters aren't particularly happy about it.

If the WGA had learned anything from 1988 and negotiated sincerely, calmly and EARLY, this could possibly have been avoided. They did a terrible job, and they've done it at the expense of all the rest of the workers. They can play for sympathy parading their toddlers in public to show the cruelty of the big corporate meanies, but that kind of melodramatic grandstanding is quite out of place here: this is a strike, not a lockout; the writers CHOSE to do this.

They should get a slice of the pie, but they should give a fuck about the rest of the artists who help realize their words, and from the sound and feel of it, they don't seem to.

Real people lose precious months of what are relatively short careers in a very difficult business, and these people were decent and supportive while getting no regard whatsoever.

People who think this is a simple situation are simply wrong, just as you were with your ludicrous depiction of wages for TV writers. Many in the sitcom and hour episodic world make more on the order of $10K a week, and these aren't "famous" writers, either. Then again, the shelf life of a writer is rather short for most, so they need to make it while they can.

The core of liberalism, populism and other leftist orientations is that we're all in this together and should take care of each other. Getting a bigger piece of the pie is the right of everyone to attempt, but holding the rest of the world ransom to do so is not so commendable, especially when the sincere effort to address this before a crisis was obviously missing.

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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #58
70. I got a couple of toddlers
My hubby and I were at the park a couple days before the strike started with our kids. A couple of writers were talking about how they had to strike because they had mortgages to pay. My husband asked them if they thought animators and software engineers might have rent and school tuitions to pay too. He asked them to try and negotiate. I guess our toddlers weren't as important as theirs. :o(

And I'm sorry...animators? The writers union snubbed animation writers for years and now they want them in the union? Please.

I hope the writers and producers can end this thing soon.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:19 AM
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62. You need to get your facts straight.
They are bringing the shows back in a way that meets with the approval of the WGA. Certain things will not be included in the show. Stewart and Colbert are both members of the WGA. The shows attempted to work out deals to bring the writers back but when they couldn't, they continued to work with the WGA on a format that would be acceptable to them.

The writers for the Stewart and Colbert show have no desire to see the show permanently harmed either.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:01 PM
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32. Thank God! nt
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:31 PM
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37. Speaking of AMBIVALENCE....
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 11:31 PM by FlyingSquirrel
I'm just not sure what to think. I am a Union member and would never cross a picket line. I may have to avoid watching the Daily Show and Colbert because it would seem like crossing a picket line to me.

On the other hand, I have to wonder about the timing of this whole thing, the corporations holding the line against the writers right at this moment in time during the primaries and who knows, maybe even up to the general election. Is it not possible that they WANT Colbert and the Daily Show offline so they can't constantly expose the hypocrisy, insanity and absurdity of the Repugs whom the corporations support (and are owned by)? Perhaps it's an act of true patriotism for Colbert and Stewart to return to their shows without the writers, and I should forgive the Union-busting aspect of it as the lesser of two evils.

I think what I'm going to do is watch their first show coming back. I will expect them to address this issue and explain themselves, since they are issuing no further comment. If either directly or indirectly they answer the question to my satisfaction, I'll continue to watch. If not, I will not watch again until the writers return.

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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:36 PM
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59. I think you're grasping at straws.
And to call crossing a picket line "patriotism" is disgusting.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:20 AM
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63. Fact check:
They are bringing the shows back in a way that meets with the approval of the WGA. Certain things will not be included in the show. Stewart and Colbert are both members of the WGA. The shows attempted to work out deals to bring the writers back but when they couldn't, they continued to work with the WGA on a format that would be acceptable to them.

The writers for the Stewart and Colbert show have no desire to see the show permanently harmed either.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:22 AM
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45. Excellent News! This is good News for several reasons...
...first, it get the unprotected Production Assistants and other non-union production workers back to work, and it will demonstrate to the suits who are still being unreasonable, how much they need the striking writers to make their shows funny.

Jon might be able to work thought his for a few shows, but I think The Colbert Report is really going suck badly with out his writers. Not because he's not funny, but because his show is almost totally character driven.

What I hope happens is that they just do the interviews they probably had scheduled (maybe do two or three interviews per Daily Show, and if they try to do any "reports," which I doubt they'll try, I hope those suck big time.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:22 AM
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46. I can only hope that you're correct.
I was happy that Stewart and Colbert were so supportive of the strike, and that they've let it go on this long.
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daysleeper Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:40 AM
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47. Other Workers
There are other people that are employed by these shows that the hosts have to think about as well. Taking a stand is obviously very important but when you are in control of so many people you have to do what is right for the majority of your work force. Reality is not always easy.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:46 AM
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48. People won't watch reruns of current events shows.
I guess that's what Viacom has discovered. They'd rather watch reruns of The Tonight Show from 1991 and marvel about how young Jay Leno looked back then and gawk at his then-still-fashionable late 80's attire. NBC has a gigantic backlog of reruns that appear fresh, while Comedy Central does not.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:50 AM
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49. And Now For Something Completely Different
The writers, and everyone who hasn't already lost their gigs in corporate-backed entertainment world, need to wake up and face the reality that their world has been turned upside down, and they need to adapt.

The unions have less power right now than ever before, not because of evil corporations (which is not to call them benevolent), but because the internet - and the mass of people using it - has destroyed the working model. At this point in time, no one has control over what the future model will be and no one can definitively predict what it will be.

I have very mixed feelings; previously lost a gig due to industry consolidation and I'm among the last of a dying breed in my own industry, thanks to technology. I know what they're going through or are about to.

However, I can't help point out that the last network TV show I can recall that featured a working-class family was Roseanne. Network TV has churned out 90% junk in the last decade, and the writers may not green light the stuff, but they do have the option of walking away. Is it any wonder we've all turned to the internet where we can entertain ourselves? Working class people and many professionals can't turn on a TV or go to a movie and see their own culture validated. So we make our own.
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:22 AM
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50. Boycott them.
They are good shows and I watch them all the time, funny and fresh, however I can watch other shows, or movies while this is settled. I'm not gonna watch them if they use scabs. Any written gags or sketches will require the use of scabs for a daily show.
They need our support by not watching any scabby shows and siding with the writers. Regardless of our own entertainment and "what ifs".
It should be the same as any strike, only this one effects entertainment. I support every strike I can by boycotting. I don't make a big difference as I'm one person doing it, since 99% of the people here never heard of the strike, but I tell them why and they can decide for themselves.

Telling people to boycott TV might be a little difficult though.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:51 AM
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53. That was my first instinct, but see this reply also...
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EvilAL Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:02 AM
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54. It's more than those shows,
it's a lot of shows. I don't think they'd keep a strike going just to get a couple of shows they don't like off the air. They have the power to get those shows off the air if they really want to.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:20 AM
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64. Fact check:
They are bringing the shows back in a way that meets with the approval of the WGA. Certain things will not be included in the show. Stewart and Colbert are both members of the WGA. The shows attempted to work out deals to bring the writers back but when they couldn't, they continued to work with the WGA on a format that would be acceptable to them.

The writers for the Stewart and Colbert show have no desire to see the show permanently harmed either.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:54 AM
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52. Sad.... and People Don't Care, They Just Want
at any cost. This is why unions struggle so much. It truly is a "me" society.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:18 AM
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55. Hypocrisy
A strikebreaker is a strikebreaker.

If this were about Fox, people would be calling for heads on silver platters.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:21 AM
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66. Fact check:
They are bringing the shows back in a way that meets with the approval of the WGA. Certain things will not be included in the show. Stewart and Colbert are both members of the WGA. The shows attempted to work out deals to bring the writers back but when they couldn't, they continued to work with the WGA on a format that would be acceptable to them.

The writers for the Stewart and Colbert show have no desire to see the show permanently harmed either.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:24 AM
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56. He can start each show with a moment of silence for the striking writers.
And the silence lasts for 30 minutes.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:21 PM
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57. This strike isn't going to turn out well for the writers. More and
more shows are scabbing and soon I would think within a few months, it'll be over.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:21 AM
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65. They are not scabbing. Fact check:
They are bringing the shows back in a way that meets with the approval of the WGA. Certain things will not be included in the show. Stewart and Colbert are both members of the WGA. The shows attempted to work out deals to bring the writers back but when they couldn't, they continued to work with the WGA on a format that would be acceptable to them.

The writers for the Stewart and Colbert show have no desire to see the show permanently harmed either.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:36 PM
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60. Yipppppeeee...n/t
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 07:43 AM
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67. Greedy unethical multi-millionaire corp boys who have to nuance so not to lose liberal viewers, PR
aka spin time. They are scabs without an ounce of character in it for the $$$$$$$$$$.
If you want to buy the pretty lipstick on this pig enjoy your pork.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:56 PM
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69. Yaaaaaay! I don't understand this "not crossing the picket line" for all those...
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 01:57 PM by indie_ana_500
who are not members of that particular union. I grew up in a union town. When the union went on strike, they guarded the line with rifles and shotguns...no one was allowed to do the jobs of the striking union workers by crossing the picket line. But that didn't mean that the receptionist at the factory didn't go to work, or the secretaries, or the CEO, or all the others at the factory who didn't belong to that particular union or who were going to do some other work besides the union workers' jobs.

When the Hollywood writer union members go on strike, all members of that union go on strike, and no one is allowed to write for the shows. That's what a strike is all about. But why does EVERYONE associated with those shows have to shut down and go on strike, too, when they are not writing?

The only thing I'm surprised about in this news, though, is that Stewart and Colbert are not members of the writer's union. I would've thought they are. Stewart, esp., since he writes some of his own stuff.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:31 PM
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71. Someone's doing the writing
The producers are winning...slowly.
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:42 PM
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72. Yeah NBC ran a commercial saying Jay and Conan will be all
new as of Jan. 2 2008. Oh well what did they do hire non striking writers???
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