Ex-congresswoman seeks presidency

[Infinite Hope]

Source: Yahoo news

ATLANTA - Former Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney, who was ousted from office last year after a headline-grabbing scuffle with a Capitol Hill police officer, has decided to seek the presidency — as a Green Party candidate.

In a video posted on the Internet on Tuesday, McKinney criticized the war in Iraq and complained about Democrats and Republicans, saying both parties are beholden to corrupt corporate interests. She called the Green Party "my new political home."

McKinney, 52, registered to vote in California after a group called Run! Cynthia! Run! began drafting her as the Green Party's candidate there. Since then, she had made campaign appearances in Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_on_el_pr/mckinney_president_2

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I hope to gosh she doesn't get selected by the Green Party. She could be enough of a problem to change the outcome, depending upon the major party candidates...One more reason to support Edwards who not only is more appealing to independents and republicans, but is running on the same issues she is: corporatists in both parties, the war, etc.

[More Than A Feeling]

1. I hope the libertarians and the constitution party select candidates of equalor greater statute.

That way, whatever percentage the greens take from the left will be more than offset from the right. Perhaps Bob Barr and Roy Moore?

[Infinite Hope]

2. Or better yet, "evangelicals" split with Republicans and create their own party. n/t

[mac2]

3. McKinney runs for President

McKinney is a great Progressive Democrat. She lost the election due to lies and election fraud in GA. The Democratic leadership did not scream or insist on investigations.

It shows how they (DLC)get excited about a male black man but not a black woman. It's a shame how the party treated her forcing her to run as a Green candidate. Why not as an Independent? Guess global warming is the issue?

Also Obama is no Progressive which is upsetting considering his people are suffering and need a leader in DC with some power. Where was the outrage over Katrina?

Nader didn't lose the election for Gore or Kerry. The fixed election did. We won don't you remember? Our party leaders in both cases gave in too early and didn't insist on recounts, voter fraud investigations, etc.

I'd like to hear her get a position on the stage to voice Progressive concerns.

[Infinite Hope]

4. Wow. n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. I think Cynthia rocks.

[EFerrari]

9. I met her at our last Beach Impeach action.

She must be 100 lbs soaking wet and she's full of energy. :)

The race she lost was dirty as hell. I wish she'd gear up to run again as a Dem for Congress but she must know what she's doing better than I do.

[DLnyc]

14. ? Even though nader took 90,000 votes in Florida in 2000 ?

I guess in some ideal world, spoilers don't actually spoil. In reality, in Forida, in 2000, I would say Nader acted as a spoiler.

[earthside]

19. Except that Gore got the most votes.

Since Gore actually won in Florida, Nader wasn't a spoiler.

There was only one 'spoiler' in Florida: George W. Bush, whose organization and cronies stole the election for him.

[DLnyc]

44. I guess one sees what one wants to see.

Nader made it tens of thousands of votes easier for Baker and Company to steal Florida. If he had accomplished some great purpose, maybe it would be worth it. But I don't see that he had any constructive effect on US politics. To me, his presidential run, and concentrating on swing states, is just an adolescent, petulant selfish way of grandstanding his opposition to the system, without having any responsibility for actually winning or governing. If the Greens really want to move the country left, why don't they run local, state and House of Reps candidates in districts where they actually COULD win? Of course, then they would have some responsibility for governing, which is more complex and demanding than just loudly pointing out how bad everything is all the time.

I just think running a candidate in the presidential contest, knowing that a) you won't win a single state and b) you are very likely to make things easier for the right wing to win/steal/plunder has more to do with personal gratification than actually making things better. In THEORY, you could move the Dems to the left. In PRACTICE, at least the way Nader does it, you just get more rightwing fascist nutjobs installed (whether honestly elected or not).

Sorry, I guess I just don't see it the way you do.

[EFerrari]

34. No, in the real world, they were going to steal FL, Nader or no Nader. n/t

[sniffa]

43. it makes people feel good about themselves to blame Nader

[EFerrari]

53. Yeah. It makes the whole mess more manageable and

the DLC thanks us for looking away. Everybody is happy.

[hootinholler]

26. Not voter fraud! Election Fraud!

Big difference, voter fraud means that individual voters are perpetrating fraud and is the basis for republican pushes for voter IDs and other obstruct the vote efforts. Election fraud is the manipulation of election results.

-Hoot

[razors edge]

6. She should do what she feels

she needs to do.

Lets see, we could now possibly have the following...

Democratic nominee

Republican nominee

Independent nominee

Libertarian nominee

Green nominee

Starting to sound more like a democracy to me. Maybe the Democratic Party will be forced to sit up and take notice of the progressives and give us what we want, or loose them to a real challenger for a change.

[kenfrequed]

22. Hmm

It sounds like an interesting scenario and a winnable scenario if the Democrats actually offer up someone that actually sounds like a Democrat.

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[saracat]

8. Well then, at least Hillary isn't the only woman candidate!

[Infinite Hope]

10. Nor Obama the only black candidate...assuming Cynthia is even nominated. n/t

[saracat]

11. Very true! And.........

Are those who do not support her to be labaled both sexist AND racist, I wonder?

[harmonicon]

12. sounds like sour grapes to me

The Democratic party hasn't changed greatly in the last two years. I'm all for there being lots of parties and everyone voting for who best represents their positions (one of the reasons we should have instant run off voting), but if this woman is all about being a Green, she could have run for congress as a Green candidate in her last term, or switched parties once she was voted in. I don't have any more respect for this switch than I do for Republicans switching parties (especially in 'moderate' states) because they can't be elected with an "R" next to their name anymore.

[skipos]

13. Greens worked to defeat Wellstone and Lamont

They will work to defeat the Democrat in any election, no matter who the nominee is.

G etting
R epublicans
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N ovember

[EFerrari]

15. I'll have to notify my Green friends who phone banked for Kerry on their

own dime.

[skipos]

16. Please do

So many people don't realize that Greens run against good Dems all the time. Your friends weren't working to defeat Kerry like the Cobb supporters were, so they probably get it.

[EFerrari]

30. Greens run against good Dems because they belong to another party.

Iirc, there was a big split in the Green Party over what to do in 2004 because we all knew that George Bush was a homicidal maniac and so was everyone in his Cabinet. Some of us worked for Kerry, some chose to work for Cobb.

And if you recall, the Ohio recount and all the evidence it produced wouldn't have happened without the Greens' willingness to go in and get dirty. Cobb's people convinced the Libertarians to go in too, but the Green Party quarterbacked it.

There are @ssholes and cheats and scoundrels in every political party. I don't recognize the Greens I know when I read DU but, I don't know many @ssholes and cheats and scoundrels in person.

lol

:)

[Orsino]

31. And of course the Constitution mandates that two parties control all.

I'm not happy about vote splits that could help tip yet another election toward the bigger crooks, but we need parliamentary government.

[EFerrari]

33. We need tip the balance back in favor of voters and away from

the corporate wing of the two big parties. I'm for whatever makes that happen and I hope my mom doesn't read this.

Campaign financing reform. And, no, I have no idea how we can ever make that happen. Not with millionaires running Congress. Why would they vote against themselves and their way of life? :shrug:

I've lately had moments of outright fury whenever my emailbox is spammed by X Democrat asking for a donation. Because I don't want to feed this system that asks for my $50 and gives all the benefit to DynCorp and Boeing and Pfizer et al. Nancy turns on me and disowns me when I try to have a conversation with her and I'm supposed to just keep on funding THAT? :shrug:

[Orsino]

41. Yep. "It's the money, stupid."

We let money buy votes, and--surprise, surprise!--it turns out that money votes for itself.

A system that lets this go on may be hopelessly corrupt.

[progressivebydesign]

59. I hear ya on that... I still haven't fogiven them for Bush in 2000

[davidinalameda]

17. if she loses the nomination

will her father blame those J-E-W-S

[Mike Daniels]

27. Probably, because there is apparently no valid reason Cynthia could lose an election

[Nutmegger]

18. People like McKinney are needed in the Democratic Party.

Sad to see it come to this.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

20. That woman sure is "uppity"...

.. and I love her for it! :loveya:

McKinney was thrown under the bus repeatedly by the Dems. I remember her having the balls to actually publically question the true origins of 9/11 at a time no one else did. She also showed up at anti-war rallies before the invasion -- something very few, if any, of our national Democratic leaders had the nerve to do.

Good for her for running. I will appreciate her voice in this election cycle.

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. This is the woman who said that Al Gore had a low "Negro tolerance level"

Apperently she never met Gore's 2000 campaign manager:

[sinkingfeeling]

23. Ousted Georgia lawmaker to run for president (Cynthia McKinney)

Source: CNN.com

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Former Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney, who was ousted from office last year after a headline-grabbing scuffle with a Capitol Hill police officer, has decided to seek the presidency -- as a Green Party candidate.

McKinney, 52, registered to vote in California after a group called Run! Cynthia! Run! began drafting her as the Green Party's candidate there. Since then, she had made campaign appearances in Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

"The Democrats do not speak for us," she said. "The Democrats are no different than their Republican counterparts."

One of her final acts in Congress was to introduce a bill to impeach President Bush, saying he misled Congress into approving the war in Iraq and violated the law by secretly spying on citizens. She once claimed Bush had been warned of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/20/mckinney.president.ap/index.html

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Cynthia McKinney is running as one of 7 Green Party presidental candidates.

[RethugAssKicker]

24. Gotta give her credit !... She was definitely right-on about

Bush

[JeanGrey]

25. Oh God not again.

:puke::puke:

[Alexander]

28. Yes, the anti-Semitic woman who claimed Gore was a racist...

Apparently some DUers have not learned the lessons of 2000.

[EFerrari]

35. Do you have a source for that? Thanks. n/t

[onehandle]

38. Here's one source...

Cynthia McKinney: The rep who cries racism.

"And during the 2000 presidential campaign, she wrote that "Gore's Negro tolerance level has never been too high. I've never known him to have more than one black person around him at any given time." Never mind that Gore's campaign manager was black."

http://www.slate.com/?id=2064530

[EFerrari]

40. How does that hit piece document anti-Semitism?

Holy cow.

[onehandle]

42. I thought you were asking about the Gore part.

It's her father who is famous for his anti-Semitic views.

I live in her former district. She constantly accused others of racism.

[EFerrari]

45. Maybe because she was constantly subjected to it. It gets to you. n/t

[davidinalameda]

47. her father blamed Jews for her defeat

completely ignoring the fact that she's queen of the moonbats

[EFerrari]

48. Yes, because she's been wrong about everything

from the stolen 2004 election to WMD.

Got it.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

51. Not to mention the fact that she was right on top of the BCCI scandal

But no, she's just a "loon" and a "moon bat" because...

Of saying something uncomplimentary about The Most Holy and Blessed St. Al Gore?

Of her father making an anti-Semitic statement?

Of making the Republicans and their enablers in the Democratic party uncomfortable?

[EFerrari]

52. There's something wrong with me. I LOVE uppity little brown women

who challenge our daily ration of bullshit.

Like this one who taught to challenge our daily ration of bullshit over my Cheerios. lol

[stillcool]

29. Yeah well...

she's black, she's a woman, and she's progressive. According to many posts I've read here there's no fucking way this white-bread, limp-dicked, brain-washed society could possibly consider electing such a brew.

[brentspeak]

32. Don't be surprised to see GOP operatives funding her campaign

[EFerrari]

36. For pete's sake. Operatives from both parties fund the opposition

whenever and wherever they can. I thought that was what money was for.

One of these days, I want to track down who the DLC funds against progressive Dems. I'm betting they give the Thuggery a run for their money.

[davidinalameda]

46. the repugs have funded green candidates in Pennsylvania and Washington state

that we know about

I have never heard about Democrats funding any right wing parties

[EFerrari]

54. What do you think the DLC has been doing all this time?

They've been moving the party to the right from within. They kill progressive candidates who make an honest run in the primaries. Who needs Republicans when you have the DLC?

[davidinalameda]

55. come on!

you know I love you but AAARRRGGGHHHH

we now have a majority in both houses because of moderate to conservative Democrats

I'd love to have how ever many Pete Starks but the reality is that you have districts where liberal/left politicians will not win

we as liberal/leftists tend to write off voters that disagree with us but we have to listen to them

short of revolution, there is no way to implement every policy we want

I know there will be a day when same sex marriage will be accepted

will it be tomorrow, NO

single payer health-care

tomorrow-no

we can't simply dismiss those who have valid objections

[EFerrari]

56. Sorry. I think I was having an attack of cynicism.

:(

[davidinalameda]

61. you're forgiven

hehehe

[progressivebydesign]

58. Can't remember who was that last time that got the GOP $$$

It was quite disgusting and scandalous! The swanky apartment and the $$$. I remember reading just a scathing article about all that.

[SoxFan]

37. This is all I will say about McKinney

[davidinalameda]

62. LOL

:bounce:

[Peace Patriot]

39. Irrelevant. Diebold/ES&S decides. And guess who all...

voted for, supported and helped to keep the American people ignorant about 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in all the new voting systems all over the land, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations?

The same people who violated their oaths to uphold the Constitution when a capitol guard tried to stop a member of Congress from entering Congress--a Constitutional protection for the peoples' representatives with a 500 year old history that was put into the Constitution FOR A REASON. NO ONE--no cop of any kind, for any reason--may stop a member of Congress from entering Congress. Our Constitution died that day--just as our democracy died, or rather was killed, in October 2002, with the passage of the so-called "Help America Vote Act."

So all you Cynthia McKinney haters--and Green Party despisers--can thank OUR OWN PARTY LEADERSHIP for who will decide who our candidate is, in 2008, and who wins in November, and for failing to defend the Constitution on this and on every other attack on the Constitution that the Bushites have mounted.

Cynthia McKinney is not the "enemy." I'm sorry to say that most of our party leadership are the ones who have betrayed us, and I'll be damned if I know what to do about it, except to urge people to...

THROW DIEBOLD, ES&S AND ALL ELECTION THEFT MACHINES INTO 'BOSTON HARBOR' NOW!

[dailykoff]

49. Yep. Georgia is where it all started

when Dem amputee-vet Max Cleland lost his senate race to internationally un-famous rich guy Saxby Chambliss.

[lpbk2713]

50. Your subject line scared the bejeebus out of me.

I was sure we had heard the last of her.

[Pastiche423]

57. I am an Independent

and johnnyboy does NOT appeal to me.

Link to that outrageous statement, please.

[humbled_opinion]

60. Sorry just not too enthused about this... n/t

[Xenotime]

63. Good luck but the pugs will just steal this election too.

Their machine is already in place.

[leaninglib]

64. Please go away, Cynthia. You are such an embarrassment!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

65. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!11

HAHAHA!!!!!!!11111 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! :puke: :puke: :puke:

Ahem.

Hehe. hehehehehHEHEHAHAGAHAHAHAHAHA!~!!1!!1 :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy:

Really... just...

:spray: