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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:09 AM
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Blair says WMD may never be found in Iraq, unrest in British-run south
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040111/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_worldwrap&cid=1514&ncid=1480

BAGHDAD (AFP) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair suggested that Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction may never be found in Iraq as unrest continued in the British-run southern part of the country.

"In a land mass twice the size of the UK it may well not be surprising you don't find where this stuff is hidden", Blair told BBC television.

"You can't be definitive at the moment about what has happened."

Asked if he had been wrong in highlighting the threat of weapons of mass destruction, whose pursuit by Saddam was cited as a main justification for the US-led war launched last March, Blair replied: "You can't say that at this point in time.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:13 AM
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1. maybe Tony know that O'Neill's book will "shine some light on truth"
the gig is up poodle....we know you lied and our people died.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:48 AM
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2. the only thing we can be definitive about is that bush and blair lied
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:05 PM
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:57 AM
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3. Wasn't he absolutely certain a few weeks ago? This endless lying
is so pathetic.
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Gysgt213 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:39 PM
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4. Mr. Blair the question is not Where is the WMD
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 12:42 PM by Gysgt213
The reason why you are not finding WMD is because it's not there! To believe the stuff is hidden so well thousands of troops, civilians and former Regime members can find it and won't tell where it is means you have to believe that the Iraqi's hid it so well they hid it from themselves. So the only question that remains is "Where was the Threat" not "Where was the WMD.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:58 PM
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10. Why don't people THINK LOGICALLY anymore?
It's very simple. Blair says the weapons are hidden.

Okay, then, answer me this: why, when faced with the collapse of his regime, would Hussein HIDE HIS MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPONS????????

It doesn't add up for anyone who has a brain stem. It's a 2+2=4 equation, and it appears millions of Americans can't do basic fucking math.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:11 PM
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:45 PM
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18. I think Bush...
could get into plenty of trouble WITHOUT any help from Blair.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:01 PM
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5. The freepers are claiming victory
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 01:03 PM by Danieljay
The Freepers are claiming victory..that these old decrepid forgotten shells found by the Danes represent WMD's that Blair/Bush were talking about. Excuse me, but where is the "imminent threat" that Bush talked about over 100 times regarding weapons of mass distruction?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:59 PM
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6. Those mustard gas mortar shells may have US markings
Those mustard shells are unstable and leaking and are of no military use whatsoever. They date back to the Reagan Administration, since the Iran-Iraq War raged from 1980 to 1988.

I am curious to know if the Danes can tell the manufacturer of the shells. Do they have US serial number markings?

Mustard gas found by Iraq weapon hunters

Paul Harris in New York
Sunday January 11, 2004
The Observer


However, the find of a small amount of mortar shells is unlikely to satisfy a growing chorus of criticism that the much-touted weapons of mass destruction either never existed or were destroyed years ago. The Danish team has found only 36 mortar rounds buried in desert about 45 miles from Al Amarah, a southern town. But it added that up to a 100 more could still be hidden at the location. The rounds were in plastic bags and some were leaking. It seems they had been buried for at least 10 years.

Even coalition military spokesmen said the weapons were likely to be a leftover from the Iran-Iraq war fought during the Eighties when mustard gas was widely used. The gas blisters the skin painfully and can be lethal if it is breathed in. Victims die in excruciating agony.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1120720,00.html
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:04 PM
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7. Even the FAUX analysts are downplaying this.
Which tells you that it is nothing. Besides. Who cares if WMD's are found now? They were obviously of no threat to us.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:24 PM
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8. Another traitor
Didn't you Brits hang traitors, back in the day?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:00 PM
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11. Didn't WE?
NT!

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:54 PM
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9. Maybe all them WMD wuz Raptured
away for Armageddon?????

At least that would be consistent with the GOP RW 's End-Time-Revelations-Second-Coming Middle East policy fantasies...

...and as factual as Blair's and W's pre-war statements about I-raqi WMD.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:18 PM
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12. They won't be found. Blair knows why they won't found.
He and Bush both knew why they won't be found before invading.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:26 PM
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13. Amazing!
How is the druggie Rushie spinning this?
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:47 PM
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14. Oh really?
Huh. Seemed like before the war, our satellites were pinpointing all kinds of nuclear reactors and trucks moving WMD's around, and folks like Rummy and Blair himself were implying that Iraq was a treasure-trove of WMD's. They mad it sound as if kids were trading dirty bombs like baseball cards. But lo-and-behold, Iraq turns out to be the barren desert it is, and all of a sudden, these WMD's are impossible to find.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:47 PM
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15. The weasels at Netscape are running a "WMD found" headline.
I kid you not. I opened the Netscape website and saw the headline. Then I clicked it on and found out that the items found were mortars POSSIBLY containing blister agents...from 10 years ago. In other words, these are oldie-moldies from the Iran-Iraq war, during which the U.S. managed to support both sides, in its own strange fashion.

But some goon is going to look at that headline and say, "See! They found 'em."

Interesting timing, too.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:24 AM
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19. A letter from the propaganda ministry
This was an official letter I got from the British after I sent them a letter of protest just before the Iraq war. Shared with you to remember the propaganda then:


Dear Mr. XXXXX,

Thank you for your email of 13th March about Iraq.

The British Government understands that there is concern about military action. The decision to join a coalition of governments in military
action against Iraq, supported by a majority in the House of Commons on 18 March, was undertaken as a last resort. The Iraqi regime's refusal
to co-operate left us with no option. The purpose of our military action is to ensure once and for all the disarmament of Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) and their means of delivery as required by United Nations Security Council resolution (UNSCR) 1441 and previous
resolutions. The coalition's intention is to do this as quickly as possible and to keep Iraqi civilian casualties to a minimum. In the longer term
we want to ensure a better future for the Iraqi people and to achieve greater stability internationally.

Weapons of mass destruction (WMD) have been central to Saddam Hussein's dictatorship since the 1980s. He has amassed poisons,
viruses and bacteria and pursued a nuclear weapons capability, in flagrant disregard of UNSCRs and Iraq's obligations as a non-nuclear
weapon state under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. In contravention of UNSCRs, Iraq has been developing ballistic missiles capable of
delivering these weapons to targets throughout the Middle East and even in south-east Europe.

Of course, other countries do have similar capabilities. But two things single out Iraq: the unambiguous obligations imposed by the Security
Council to disarm and Saddam Hussein's willingness to use WMD. No other country in modern times has used chemical weapons against its
neighbours or killed 5,000 of its own civilians and injured 10,000 more, as the Iraqi regime did in Halabja in 1988.

In November, the UN Security Council unanimously sent the Iraqi regime an uncompromising message: co-operate fully with weapons
inspectors or face disarmament by force. UNSCR 1441 gave Iraq one final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations, by giving
up once and for all its WMD and the means to deliver them. The burden was placed squarely on Iraq to make an immediate, full and honest
declaration of its WMD holdings.

It was clear from briefings by the weapons inspectors that Iraq's co-operation had been neither full nor immediate. The Iraqi declaration of 7
December was false, just as all its previous "full and final" declarations had been. The document released by the inspectors on 7 March, the
so-called clusters of outstanding issues, catalogued Iraqi evasion and deceit, of feigning co-operation while in reality pursuing a cynical policy
of concealment (www.unmovic.com). The document detailed at least 29 instances of Iraqi failure to provide credible evidence, and at least 17
occasions when inspectors uncovered evidence that contradicted the official Iraqi account. In all the discussions in the Security Council and
outside, no-one claimed that Iraq was in compliance with the obligations placed upon it. And with good reason. Iraq had simply not accounted
for the thousands of tonnes of chemical and biological weapons materials left unaccounted for when the regime forced the weapons
inspectors to leave in 1998. The regime's tactics were to deny the existence of WMD and, if caught out, to offer the smallest concession
possible in order to work for delay.

In the weeks before military action we worked very hard in a final effort to achieve a Security Council consensus on Iraq. We pointed out that it
was not a question of increasing the numbers of weapons inspectors, or of allowing more time for Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi regime to
bring themselves into compliance. We said that what was needed was an irreversible and strategic decision by Iraq to disarm, and to
disclose all the relevant information which it could and should have given in the last 12 years - a strategic decision like that taken by South
Africa when it decided freely to abandon its secret nuclear weapons programme. We acknowledged that, were the regime to co-operate in
this way, the weapons inspectors would of course need more time to complete their work, to verify the disarmament. We proposed tough but
realisable tests and a timetable for completion of those tests. In line with resolution 1441, we also sought an understanding that, if Iraq failed
those tests, it would not have taken the final opportunity which had been afforded to it.

The British Government deeply regrets that, despite all the United Kingdom's efforts, the Security Council could not agree a way forward to put
pressure on Iraq to take the strategic decision to disarm. Given this situation, we did not pursue a vote on the draft UK/US/Spanish resolution
tabled on 24 February and the co-sponsors reserved the right to take their own steps to secure the disarmament of Iraq.

Throughout this crisis we have considered the options carefully with our allies, taking account of the circumstances, such as the potential wider
impact on the region, and the need to act in accordance with international law. Military action to enforce Iraqi compliance is fully in accordance
with international law: authority to use force against Iraq exists from the combined effect of UNSCRs 678, 687 and 1441; and all of these
resolutions were adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, which allows the use of force for the express purpose of restoring international
peace and security. Every possible care is being taken to minimise civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure.

We will work to ensure that the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people are met. The Department for International Development have already
committed £20 million to UN Agencies and non-governmental organisations for their preparations; set aside an initial £60 million for the
immediate humanitarian response; and seconded staff and others to the region. Our forces also have up to £30 million to enable them to meet
their humanitarian obligations under the laws of armed conflict.

We envisage a leading role for the UN in the reconstruction of Iraq. We want to see the earliest possible lifting of UN sanctions, when a new
government is in place willing to disarm Iraq of WMD, and to ensure that oil revenues are used for the benefit of the Iraqi people. We look
forward to an Iraq where there is respect for human rights and the rule of law, where all Iraqis have the opportunity to share in the country's
wealth, an Iraq at peace with its neighbours and which can play a full role in the international community.



Roger Seal

Press and Public Affairs

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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:41 PM
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20. Well where are the WMD's Tony?
1) Saddam's beard?

2) Bill Clinton's undercrackers?

3) Santa's grotto?

4) Never-Never-land?

Do not forget that the justification for a war of aggression against Iraq was WMD's, not any of this B-B-B-B-B-But Saddam was an evil dictator stuff. And I for one do not like being lied to by power hungry politicians who think it is more important to try to play Saruman to Bush's Sauron then to look after the interests of the people they were lected to serve.
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