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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:42 AM Original message |
CHAVEZ LOSES VENEZUELA VOTE ON POWERS |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. maybe he can call Vladimir Putin & Karl Rove in to help with a recount nt |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Actually he's saying a recount would be bad for the country and is not worth it. |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Wow. That says a LOT about Chavez's integrity. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. It was a very conciliatory and humble speech. n/t |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
66. Personally, I think this loss will be very good for him |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Definately. It's what the people wantedn/t |
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personman (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
164. Is this what our tax dollars bought us in Venezuela? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #164 |
179. We bought some very nice looking flyers that told the people |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #179 |
217. we've given Ven. millions in development AID and military aid |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
87. They won't. But I do. |
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usaftmo (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
84. If only shrub was aware of that... n/t |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
122. That's a classy move on his part |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. How are you doing? It's been a while. n/t |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Been doing quite well |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #126 |
139. Can't complain. I left Ohio for Chicago and I don't have a single regret on that. n/t |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
109. Well, if he would have had a system like ours (US Supreme Court, signing statements, etc...), you |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. What about the constitutional changes? Are they still counting that initiative yet? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. That's the vote. They are still reporting votes, but the matter seems settled. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. :( n/t |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good, a demagogue is a demagogue |
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cartach (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. But compared to Bush how does he look? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
67. Bush will be gone in a year |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
133. 8 years wasted |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
194. Jesus, what type of logic is this? |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. I am a big fan of sovereignty and self determination for all countries. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 04:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
74. "for some reason" I like the idea of dedicating the resources of a country |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
110. Yes, but don't you see how short ,how very tiny, a step it is |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
148. oh blah blah blah -- "mad"?? give me a friggin break |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. And apparently, the people made a decision that they didn't |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
107. I agree. Power-hungry people appear on the left and the right |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
142. What's important about Hugo is that he successfully resisted the Washington Consensus |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #142 |
219. by taking money from him instead? |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
145. What a pantload! |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
161. Oh, good grief! What an ill-informed statement. |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Looks like Chavez had better begin grooming someone to replace him. |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
91. yeah, that's the sad part |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
209. I never understood why they were bundled into a package. |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
198. Exactly, Chavez doesn't have to be the head of the |
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DemKR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. God forbid allow the voters to decide ... SHAME |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Great lesson on democracy some day we'll learn from it |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
111. amen!!!!!!! |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
69. The voters did decide. They don't seem to want this. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
94. They just DID decide, actually. nt |
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AmanAplan (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
7. I love the smell of sulphur first thing in the morning |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. WTF? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
70. For RE-WRITING the country's Constitution, you need a VAST majority. |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:18 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Not all countries are the US... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
89. Does the term "tyranny of the majority" ring a bell? |
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salib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
115. Reminds me of what FDR said |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. the thing is that if he really wants to rule,well...he is not going to go swiftly into the limelight |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
10. Chavez loses referendum on presidential term limits |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
40. More great reporting |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. If it happened here, we'd be most obsessed about the term-limits issue |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. No |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I disagree |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
96. Who was it saying that about FDR again? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
120. Dunno and irrelevant |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Are you saying the same about parliamentary systems |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #130 |
135. The current leaders in those countries did not try to change the game midstream |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. He was voted in to "change the game" |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. I am a long-time Chavez supporter here on DU |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. How's that projection working out for you generally? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Glad we can end this here... |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. He's telling the opposition to celebrate and to do it in a healthy manner and |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
15. And now we will find out the truth about him. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. yeah!..... that dictator from the south |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Chavez is already being conciliatory. Did you read the posts above? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
68. Yup, respectful |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
112. Yep, showed a lot of class on his part. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
17. "We are all Venezuelans whether you voted YES or NO. I do hope to |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. a few days ago, he was calling opponents traitors |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. opponents traitors? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 04:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
72. And it still begs the question |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
97. YES INDEED. WHAT YOU SAID. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
128. creating a mirror of America in Latin America have not.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
81. He was also calling the students spoiled brats. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #81 |
132. Private schools in Venezuela are expensive |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #132 |
138. VZ has public universities as well. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #138 |
165. I have not seen a student leader from the public schools, do you? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Yes. One from Central was featured in a NYT piece. Another named "Stalin" from the WAPO |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
152. excellent point - when i was a college student i convinced my lifelong R father to go D, & stay D |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #152 |
170. A lot of the opposition came from slum kids who are going to public university. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
88. What are the Obama supporters calling the rest of us? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
23. NY TIMES: Venezuela Hands Narrow Defeat to Chávez Plan |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Chavez |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
255. Such profundity - I'm stunned! n/t |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
24. Funny how quiet the Saint Chavez group is. I guess they have the earlier |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Oh you want Pro Chavez folks to be all like "it was fixed by the CIA!!!11!"? |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Talk about "Sore Winners" .. this one takes the cake. |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
58. Are the comedy writers still on strike? |
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George Nassar (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Kind of surprised |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. NO one, not even Chavez, is contesting the accuracy of the vote. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Actually this is a defeat for the anti-Chavez crowd |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Well, I'd love to agree with you, but the REAL wannabe dictators may be going for jugular |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. You have no idea |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
80. I'm usually pretty quiet when I'm sleeping. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
105. I think a lot of the "St. Chavez" people, as you call them, |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
123. I'm glad that he hasn't called for a recount |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
125. How Serious can you be Stan ??? ... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
149. Funny How You Throw out the "Saint Chavez Group" Meme |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
25. Hang on.. how do you loose a fixed election? He's a dictator right? these polls where just BS no? |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. You have a true observation there. For Chavez to lose, the elections |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
26. EXIT POLLS: All three say YES to Venezuelan constitutional referendum |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Exit polls are crap. It's about time we accepted that fact. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
83. This sentence stands out like a very sore thumb |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
32. Chavez should just seize power like Bush does, what's with this voting bullshit... |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Bush should learn a lesson in democracy from Chavez. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
106. I think that is a big part of what Chavez is doing, sending a message |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
38. Link here to Australian ABC |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
39. Phew. I feel safer already. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
113. Yep, I do to. Time to turn on the 700 Hundred Club. After that I think I will see whats on FAUX. |
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Hulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
42. Damn...I guess it IS a democracy. Does that mean we can't invade them? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. They might be pulling their hair now |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
117. Nay, not at all. We will just have to go back to the drawing board and find some new ways to |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #117 |
129. When he start giving oil money to the poor communities |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
43. Speaking as a "pro-Chavez" poster... |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 04:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. Good Plan. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
100. His is an international project |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
141. Good post, ... |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
44. Well, I'll be waiting "he's a dictator" |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
46. Actually this makes Chavez look good |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:01 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Chavez is a democrat. |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Ah |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
49. Viva Chavez |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
188. Yanqui go home! |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
50. Voters reject Chavez's referendum |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. dupe |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Thank God!!!! |
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Hulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I was for it if THEY supported it...and I'm for it if they voted it down! |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You mean |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
57. LOL @ the people who said these changes |
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GeneCosta (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. What about the people who called Chavez a dicator |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
119. Part of them are watching FAUX and the other part of them are spaming DU today with their silly |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #57 |
102. Heh? You mean it ISN'T? |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
63. Luckily, we appear to have either overestimated Chavez... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
64. Not President for Life? |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
65. I feel a lot better about him now. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
71. The defeat probably has just as much to do with the sheer number of initiatives on one ballot |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:13 AM Response to Original message |
75. Better keep an eye on this ruthless little fascist. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
127. Got any evidence to back that up? |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
146. How glib, and inaccurate, ... |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 07:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
256. Oh, puhleeeeeze. Why don't you just SHUT UP? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
77. As someone who has been against Chavez all along |
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sss1977 (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
78. I smell another fixed election, courtesy of Uncle Samco |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. CIA, MI6, ISI, and the KGB |
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INDIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
116. Venezuela must be made up of 51% ruling elite upper class. |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #116 |
134. ha I don't think so |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
79. Strangely, this may be good for Chavez |
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arcos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
82. Why am I glad the NO won? |
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boricua79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
85. Good that the vote is being respected |
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dave123williams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
86. Good. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
90. so that`s what a democracy is..... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
95. How Chavez behaves in defeat says a lot about him. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
98. The people have spoken. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
99. The people just gave Chavez's naked power grab the smackdown. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
101. He's still in office till 2013 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. I have been trying to figure out what the US plan is now. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #103 |
151. While Bush and the neo-cons are still in power, they are going |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. I see little hope of electing a progressive Democrat |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
155. I think maybe Chavez just disarmed them for a while, ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I had the same thought. Because the situation seemed to escalate, |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #156 |
181. More in the same vein, ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. The opposition students got NGO money. Yes, these are methods |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #155 |
166. Plan B, dirty money for the next election n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #101 |
167. And His "Presence" may Give Other Citizens "Ideas" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 06:34 AM Response to Reply #167 |
176. It must gall Mr. Danger that Chavez has won so many real elections. n/t |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
104. I was wrong. |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. 'For Now' |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
114. This makes me like him even more. He's such a decent man... |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
159. You know... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #159 |
168. That's very offensive and |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. You certainly have a point. A very valid one, too. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #159 |
175. Your analogy is seriously flawed. |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
118. Oh dear |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
121. Damn, after reading some of these posts, and can really see that this topic is bringing them out of |
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The Onyx Key (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
131. Wow! |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
136. The future looks bright for Venezuela. No more worry of creeping dictatorship. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
147. He may have lost the referendum after the King of Spain told him to shut up. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Spain has nothing to do with it. Spain and Spaniards are |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. No. If anything, it boosted his popularity. n/t |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #157 |
177. No, it was the turningpoint against him. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. You may not understand this, but the insult was to Venezuela as well. |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
158. By hook or by crook, he will get his way. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. That's just baloney. The coup plotters are still walking around |
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NGC_6822 (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
162. Chavez should apply for the post of prime minister in Belgium |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
163. Well there goes his plans to rule till 2050 |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
171. Overlooked poor bite back at Chávez |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Given the lack of interest from the poor |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #173 |
202. another paragraph stated that the "leftist" parties didn't want to merge into one giant single party |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. That is true |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-03-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
174. I wish all the best for Venezuela but I'm glad they avoided the cult of personality. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
180. This will hurt america and its relations with other countries. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
183. This was actually a victory for Chávez |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. and if the referendum passed, it would have been a defeat?? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. No. Either way, he won. It didn't occur to me that this was possible |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. you were feeling down yesterday, I am glad you see the silver lining |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. So true. It would be embarrassing for any dictator |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. both of us then are content, perhaps a rare occurrence |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. A Very Venezuelan Saying... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Chavez should be the first to exercise that "dicho" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. You can thank millions of US tax payer dollars for that. |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Are you suggesting that the Chavistas were bought off? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. No, I'm referring to the $8 million dollars we sent the opposition |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #197 |
200. yesterday's contentment appears to have faded |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #200 |
201. The funds were reported in more than one source but the one |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. surely you can provide a link then??? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. I don't have links to the five hundred Chavez threads. Here is |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. US Agency for International Development |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. Asking someone who wrote a series of OpEds on swiftboating |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. here are quotes from the article it was dated 12/2 not 12/3 in the pro-Chavez site you posted |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. I didn't allege anything, I directed you to my opinion. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. yeah, I noticed long ago. the SF gave it away. You cited in your own OP/ED |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. More spin. n/t |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #205 |
221. Tranlate this |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. traducción |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. So Washington Post = US Government "news"paper |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. uhhh, no what do you think? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. So private = freedom of the press |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. do you prefer government owned and controlled news organizations for your news?? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. So I have to choose between the lesser evil |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. a free press in the US is protected under the 1st amendment |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. It does not prevent a republican government from manipulating the press |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. who watches Fox?? oh yeah, the masochists here |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. I'm anxious to know an impartial free press. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. Here's a good look at how "impartial" our own "free press" has been. |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #197 |
207. That is unsubstantiated |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. well put, exactly what I was trying to get at |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. I found the report that I translated for another DUer on Sunday: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #212 |
220. Crickets. Just what was expected. n/t |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #212 |
236. No such Washington Post article exists |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #236 |
239. Do you have any evidence that article does NOT exist? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. Whoops! Here it is! |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. Nice, but that is not what the original article stated. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. You're frantic to land a point. You've failed. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #244 |
246. Maybe this will be helpful, from USAID, the familiar 8,000,000 figure looms into view: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. You know, that figure doesn't seem out of line at ALL, considering how much of the US taxpayers' |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. That very well could be |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #242 |
245. Chavez |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #239 |
241. Yes, I do. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Maybe it's a breakdown in communication. What was stated in the link which was not in |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #243 |
248. The original link |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #236 |
251. Try this on someone who you can actually jerk around. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #207 |
211. No, I'm not suggesting people were stupid at all. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #211 |
226. No, Republicans are the ones that thinks latin-americans are stupids |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. Thank you. And they do the same thing in this country. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. They live oppressing mains n/t |
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Clanfear (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #211 |
238. Oh yes you did. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #238 |
257. Propaganda works. The New York Times printed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. We're working on it! This time around, I knew they would do this |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-04-07 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
196. THIS was about ending presidential TERM-LIMITS .... and Clinton recommended that for US --- |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Term Limits |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #199 |
213. I'm torn. The other ramification is that they devolve into the |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #213 |
237. Term limits in this country is done all wrong |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-05-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #237 |
250. "President for life" is the Bush meme. Repeat it if you want |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 05:46 AM Response to Reply #250 |
254. I don't care who says something and Chavez said he wanted to be president till 2050 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #199 |
258. True --- but you get to vote for them or not --- |
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Laurenceofberk (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-06-07 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
252. Cavez loss can be a VICTORY for socialism |
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253. Welcome to DU! |
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