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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:45 PM
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Hillary Clinton Heckled During Forum on Global Warming in Los Angeles
Source: myfoxla

Democratic Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton was heckled by a member of the audience during a forum on global warming on Saturday.

Clinton was interrupted by a Code Pink antiwar demonstrator shouting that she had voted for the war in Iraq.

"Excuse me, were you invited to speak here this afternoon?" Clinton responded.

The man, identified as Tigh Berry by Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans, was quickly surrounded and taken outside by uniformed Los Angeles police officers. He was handcuffed and placed in a patrol car, but it was not clear whether he was arrested.



Read more: http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4968958&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:47 PM
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1. dupe, posted several times today
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:49 PM
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2. I haven't found it in LBN. Do you have the link?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:57 PM
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4. Sorry, was thinking about all the other forums it's been posted in over and over.
You're right, thsi is the first time it's been is "latest" breaking "news"...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:19 PM
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66. YES< posted OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:21 PM
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51. but some to continue to push it-over and over and over. boring!
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:56 PM
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3. "Excuse me, how dare you speak truth to power...begone peasant!"
Clinton can't run from her record, but the MSM will fix any inconvenient truths and the cops will take care of any unruly citizens.

J
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:55 AM
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95. exactly...
right there with you, NoodlyAppendage.

How dare they remind royalty about the moments they ROYALLY screwed up.
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eib1 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:59 PM
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5. Sieg heil
"Excuse me, were you invited to speak here this afternoon?" Clinton responded.

So I thought it was a forum.
What's a forum if no one but an invited patrician has the right to speak?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:09 PM
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10. "Patrician"? Oh, come off it.
The woman has worked her ass off every day of her life. Where do you get this crap?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:53 PM
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102. that's right...
she DID work for it. She ONCE was of the people.

She joined the elite class, assimilated their ways and tastes, and now advocates for them.

I'm not gonna bash Hillary Clinton...but let's not put our heads in the sand and think she's "one of us". She's a DLC, establishment centrist...and I'd hate to say, but I've often perceived her actions as being VERY flip-floppery. Do I have to remind everyone of "if I knew then, what I knew now" and her Iraq War vote? What about her recent "Iran's Revolutionary Guards are a terrorist group" resolution support?

With Kucinich or Chris Dodd, I know where they stand. Hillary sways quite a bit, folks. I'm for honesty here. That's all.

This is not anti-Hillary diatribe...it's a pro-honesty plea.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:44 PM
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104. So you want someone who never changes course or admits doubt?
YOU WANT GEORGE BUSH!!!???
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:44 PM
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105. god...i knew you'd go there
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 06:48 PM by boricua79
I want someone that is a middle point between Bush and Hillary, when it comes to principles. I'd like someone who wasn't so transparent in her pandering. I'd like someone who wouldn't equivocate when it comes to calling for universal health care. I want someone who wouldn't plant people to ask questions at forums (how's that for being "Bush-like"). I want someone who doesn't now take money from health insurance lobbyists (obviously having an effect on her policies for healthcare). I would have wanted someone who didn't vote for war in Iraq. I would have also wanted someone who would have learned her lesson and "changed her course" and admitted at least some doubt that Bush could be trusted with yet another pro-war resolution (the Iran one). I would have wanted someone that wasn't for the U.S. Navy in Vieques before she was against it (she equivocated on that a few years ago, until the large Puerto Rican community in New York City made themselves felt).

All...I...said...was that I don't think Hillary is "one of us", and that i don't think it's healthy for people to nurse that fantasy...that idea that Hillary is still that hippie girl she was, with all her idealistic dreams. She's not. She grew out of it, she acclimated to the Washington culture, she got used to power, she swims in the same streams as the rich do, and she's very perceptibly influenced by moneyed interests in politics. You don't have to be a Republican (I'm not) to know that and to be against it, and to demand more from the Democratic party and from this country. If you ask me, I like Kucinich, Dodd, Richardson, and Edwards before I'd like Hillary. Of all the candidates running for the Democratic nomination, Hillary strikes me as the most beholden to moneyed interests and the one candidate that the business community would "accept". I'm saddened that it seems she's headed for a coronation in the democratic primaries. I don't think this country needs more Bushes or more Clintons. It needs a restoration of its core principles and someone with the courage to unequivocally call for it (like Kucinich). We don't need more "impeachment is off the table" types (Pelosi). We don't need more "we don't have the votes for it" types (Reid). We don't need more "if I knew know what I knew then" types (H. Clinton). We need and expect and should demand something more. We fail ourselves when we don't.

Is that enough for you?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:03 PM
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106. Like when she was a wallmart lawyer for 6 years?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:33 PM
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:16 PM
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45. What do you think would happen if you showed up at a forum and started
heckling the person giving a speech? You expect to be greeted warmly? She was causing a disturbance... Of course she was taken outside by authorities.

During the next presidential debate, try showing up and heckling the participants. See how long you last :)
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:23 PM
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53. Excuse me...Hillary supporters heckled and bood Edwards AND Obama in last debate!
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:23 PM by earthlover
Were any of them even told to stop booing, let alone led off by the police?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #45
71. Your approval of authoritarianism is noted.
NT!

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #71
87. Yes, saying hecklers should not be tolerated in a forum setting is
approval of authoritarianism. Of course. Yep. OK.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
54. Is that a Nazi reference? Ok, that's the first strike against you.
The second strike is your willfully ignorant idea that everyone should get to just stand up and say whatever they want during a speech without any expectation of being removed.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:00 PM
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6. It's her event, and it was invite only
You have the right to free speech, but not the right to be heard.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:49 PM
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43. It was a league of conservation voters event and other presidential candidates were there.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:00 PM
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7. who fucking cares?
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:01 PM
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8. Evidently...you.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
27. Uh....no. I care that some DU'ers are trying to portray this as a big deal.
when it isn't.

Which brings us back to my comment, WHO FUCKING CARES? You? You think it's significant? Really?
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:35 PM
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17. And you all wonder why Gore is not listening to you
You think it is ok to scream at a speaker. Try to degrade the speaker with your brilliance. If I had been there I would have help them usher them out. How dare people think it is ok to scream at a person just because you have a different opinion. Code Pink people are always seen s obnoxious and ignorant. They are hurting their own cause. Don't run Al these morons will find something to disagree with you about and heckle you.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. My point is that these hecklers are inconsequential. You're assumptions about me
are wrong.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:54 PM
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64. Al Gore hasn't announced because of Code Pink?
I've never heard him say anything remotely close to that.

Lots of people think Code Pink is obnoxious it's true. The unwashed are always unappreciated by the power elite and their toadies when they try to interject input into the public forum. The civil rights movement and anti-vietnam war movement were portrayed in exactly the same terms you have just used by their critics as well. As obnoxious smelly and ignorant as all of them were, I don't get the feeling their causes were hurt by their presence.

Things have changed since them, but one thing has not; civil disobedience is called "disobedience" because it is obnoxious, intrusive, and often illegal (even if it is peaceful). Its current practitioners may or may not accomplish anything by its use, but I'd like to know what tactics you'd prefer. Sitting at home and waiting for our politicians to wake up and do the right thing perhaps?
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #64
73. Bravo! Very well said. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:41 AM
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:49 AM
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78. I like how it is you think you can speak for Mr. Gore.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:50 AM by FREEWILL56
Like as if you are even close to being correct on why he doesn't run.
I guess when we have people that think their own wishes speak for everybody, it is a shame that somebody would come along AND SHOUT REALITIES AT THEM. Only difference here is you can't have me ejected and arrested.
:P
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:04 PM
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9. Did you listen to her speech? It was great and got high praise
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 07:12 PM by durrrty libby
I bet you didn't.


You would much rather play the part of a smear artist than discuss the actual amazing

speech she gave
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:11 PM
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11. I wasn't there but a friend who was said she sucked.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:15 PM
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12. It was broadcast on the internet and she got a standing ovation. We watched
But go ahead and tell us why your "friend" thought she sucked

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:21 PM
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14. Standing ovation at by invitation only event does not mean much
"before an invitation only audience "

Hardly a rank & file DEM gathering. Standing O don't count for much when you give a party.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:37 PM
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19. You missed the point AND didn't watch. A 2fer
:eyes:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:44 PM
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23. No, Didn't watch. Also, I am not the one missing the point
Slowly... with full knowledge you still won't get it:

The event was by invitation only.

You know, just like when bush speaks. Vetted guests are not representative of real people.

Of course her picked/vetted/invited crowd would give her a standing ovation. Sorta like plants in a crowd giving her softball questions. It does NOT show she is so wonderful and loved. It DOES show her campaign works like the neocons in controlling everything to make it look like the candidate is more loved than the reality of things.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:50 AM
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:22 PM
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15. She thought Clinton was smug and arrogant. Also said she didn't seem sincere.
My friend is a prolific writer for various websites including Huffingtonpost and she said she was going to do a piece about the event - perhaps she'll amplify why she thought Hillary sucked.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Thought you were going to tell us she saves lives or something important.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:49 PM
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42. thank you Emillereid
It is great to see honest critique here instead of mindless hillary love.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
61. LOL. annectodal claims are "honest critique". What about post #40?
I guess that's "mindless" Hillary hate.


Yep.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
55. Smug, arrogant, insincere....
Yep...That's our girl!


Hillary would rather PLANT questions than answer them!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #15
60. Uh huh. "my friend". How convenient.
"My friend said she sucked".

I had a friend there also! She said Hillary was AMAZING and INTELLIGENT and just completely PRESIDENTIAL!

Your friend wasn't drunk or stoned, by any chance?
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #60
69. No! But she is probably likely to be a little more objective than an HC partisan insofar as she
is a journalist. Not a guarantee I admit -- but she didn't go as a Hillary supporter. I made the comment about my friend's opinion simply because the descriptions of Hillary's performance was so polar. As I prefaced my post - I wasn't there. I just found it strange that what I had heard and what was being reported in this thread was so different.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
63. Who is your friend? Are you not allowed to say? n/t
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #63
70. Linda Milazzo -- she attended the event as a journalist.
Are you Canadian btw? My husband and children are and we are thinking of returning -- how is it up there?
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Ammonium Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. no shit she got cheers.
I'm sure she would get a standing ovation from a hand selected err "invited' audience. I wouldn't expect otherwise.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Another who didn't watch but is happy to whine
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:58 AM
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92. Whats your point?
Speeches are irrelevant when you know someone's policy background. I remember Joe Lieberman giving speeches about how "noone wants to get out of Iraq more than him" when he was challenged by Lamont. Was that credible?

To speak for myself, I'd say HRC will have to do more than talk a good game if she wants to convince me that she is anything other than a neoconservative indentured servant to corporate interests.

And no, I didn't watch the speech either.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
34. At an invite-only event, one would expect a SO. nt
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #12
40. standing ovation? by her paid shills no doubt!
or her goons who do double duty?

:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:38 PM
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. MAybe you should watch and make up your own mind. What a concept
:eyes:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. Yeah? Well, my friend said your friend is a Romney operative.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
21. You are attacking the messenger
Uncool.

Attack the message instead.

Furthermore, HRC handled the heckler with aplomb. The OP is the exact opposite of a "smear."
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. That is great advice.
Not holding my breath that it will sink in though.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
38. "Attack the message instead." There is no fucking message
None of the haters even watched. Stupidity to the nth degree
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. If there was no "message," then what was the "smear"?
Look, I'm not trying to dis anyone here, but if you accuse someone of smearing, then by simple logic, you think, prima facie, that there is a message (the smear).

My point is that posting a news article in LBN is not a smear, whether or not you like the news. In this case, I don't know why you wouldn't like the news (Clinton looked pretty capable to me in the vid) but whatever. Regardless of whether you like or don't like the posted article, accusing the poster of smearing is untrue and inflammatory.

Why not post a reply that makes a persuasive counter-argument instead? Presumably you want to persuade others of your beliefs, right? Try one part civility to four parts strong argument, and I'll be all ears.

Peace.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. I applaud your patience.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
37. Smear artist? The article was about a disruptive CPer getting thrown out.
Where is the smear?

I swear the pro-Hillary crowd is just as unbalanced as the anti-Hillary crowd. Is her candidacy really so fragile that simply reporting on an event is somehow a smear?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #37
57. Yes!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #37
72. Here's hoping it is.
NT!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
52. yes, she-and the other two have good ideas. Hope we are able to carrry them thru
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:16 PM
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13. "it was not clear whether he was arrested."
freedoms aren't cracked up to what they used to be.

I guess clinton is using morons* way to respond to people now.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:44 PM
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22. did the Clinton News Network mentioned the story ?
CNN is in her hip pocket ;)
your source of Faux Shnews is not an acceptable media btw
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. That is such bullshit. The RW'ers call it the Commie News Network.
This claim hat they're behind Clinton is stupid, period.
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Ammonium Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. oh come on
You're being willfully blind.

The latest CNN democratic debate was funded by Clinton donors. CNN planted a questions specifically for Clinton, and had 2 people who worked in Bill's administration and 1 who us an "unofficial" advisor to Hillary work the round table afterwards.

If that isn't stacking the deck for a candidate I don't know how else you can do it.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. Sour grapes are difficult to swallow, eh?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:04 PM
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44. Actually, it a case of crying "Wolf" ... Wolf Blitzer that is
;)
Even the NY Times saw a few interesting twists.



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/us/politics/17cnn.html?_r=1&ex=1352955600&en=b62c3708e23a70cc&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin
then there is always the bunch at the Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/15/225040/11

Are those two sources now the new talking heads for the rethugs?


oh that evil Carl Rove did it again
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Ammonium Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:35 PM
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46. So you're not denying it?
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:17 PM by Ammonium
Or you're just going to dismiss the whole affair because you can't counter it?

CNN has even admitted they basically stacked the deck for Hillary.

If they had some the same thing for Richardson I am certain you'd pitch a fit.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:09 PM
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48. "planted questions specifically for Clinton". Got proof of that?
If you're talking about the "pearls or diamonds" question, that was pure media convenience. They were running out of time, and wanted something that wouldn't elicit a long answer.

But then, you said "questions", so please tell me what else you might be referring to. thx.
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Ammonium Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:56 PM
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65. The UNLV student can be considered a reliable source
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:57 PM by Ammonium
"Every single question asked during the debate by the audience had to be approved by CNN," Luisa writes. "I was asked to submit questions including "lighthearted/fun" questions. I submitted more than five questions on issues important to me. I did a policy memo on Yucca Mountain a year ago and was the finalist for the Truman Scholarship. For sure, I thought I would get to ask the Yucca question that was APPROVED by CNN days in advance."

Sam Feist, the executive producer of the debate, said that the student was asked to choose another question because the candidates had already spent about ten minutes discussing Yucca Mountain.

"When her Yucca mountain question was asked, she was given the opportunity to ask another question, and my understand is that the was her other question," Feist said. "She probably was disappointed, but we spent a lot of time with a bunch of different candidates on Yucca Mountain, and we were at the end of the debate."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111707Y.shtml

Why is it that CNN continually came back to Hillary for questions. Why was she given more time than any other candidate to speak to the audience? Dennis Kucinich was given little over 6 minutes to speak out of a 2 hour debate.

And really, it doesn't have to be multiple questions. All it takes is one question plant for any network to move from unbiased reporter to propaganda machine.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:55 AM
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80. It's astonishing that so many intelligent people can't see it.
Hillary Clinton has obviously been ordained by the corporate owners of the media, in much the same way that George W. Bush was.

Saturday Night Live featured a rather amusing skit about this very thing just this weekend. It hit the nail on the head.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:33 PM
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58. I call it FoxLite...and they want Hillary to be nominated so she can be lambasted in Fall 08
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 AM
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:03 PM
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30. Code Pink
kicks ass....
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Brrrp Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:20 PM
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49. I dunno. I'm kinda ambivalent about Code Pink.
Part of me says that somebody should do this. But then when I see them on TV, they look ridiculous. Maybe it's the costumes. If there were a lot more of them, maybe they wouldn't look so ridiculous. Maybe we should all put on pink outfits and disrupt hearings, political speeches, etc.

I dunno.

Maybe we could skip the pink outfits.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:59 AM
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91. The costumes serve two purposes. They are over top
and they're meant to be. They're subversive -- have you ever seen a suit who knew how to deal with them? lol

They're also an "I checked my ego at the door" reminder. It's pretty hard to be full of yourself when you're wearing a bright pink tiara. :)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:15 PM
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32. Global Warming = Iraq War Vote
Code Pink members are deep in assclown territory.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:54 AM
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94. Reminds me of ANSWER and their inane, loony "Free Mumia" shtick at anti-war protests.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:47 PM
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99. Don't get me started on that...
My wife and I traveled hundreds of miles to protest the "President" when he was sworn in for the first time.

We went to a ANSWER center the night before for some info on Inauguration day's activities. They were nice enough people and were helpful, but went on and on and on about these sideshow "causes." At the protests themselves, there were a sea of non-related signs, and speakers at rallies kept bringing up Mumia and other marginal subjects.

That was my one and only contact with ANSWER.


Hey, You did get me started on that.

:P
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:16 PM
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33. Why do speakers always make this mistake?
I never understand that. Wouldn't you answer the charges, deal with the question, attempt to disarm the people with a beef? Especially when they could be on your side? I certainly think Bill Clinton would have been up to that sort of challenge.

Watching the guy dragged out of there made me really think less of Clinton.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:17 PM
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35. This kind of thread invites flame wars,
and I don't have to wonder why they attract negative posts.

The Hillary-haters are out in full force and it seems to get worse when she has a good debate or gives a speech. They like to use any Democratic forum to rudely disrupt the discussion and the louder and more obnoxious the better. This is typical of Code Pink because they can't seem to differentiate between a positive message and an antithetical one.

It's not about the message; it's about the messenger. If it's coming from Hillary it must be bad.

They just can't give Hillary her due and admit that she gave an edifying speech on a serious subject that affects us all.

There are some of us who want to hear Hillary talk about health care, global warming and issues affecting the average American.

If the candidates would stop beating each other up and talk about real concerns we'd have more effective political discourse.

Why don't you anti-Hillary people tell us what you think is good about the candidate you support instead of tearing down Hillary?

That would be a nice switch.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 08:23 PM
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36. If you are addressing me, you are ill-informed. The post was about Code Pink's protester.
I am not anti-Hillary. I am truly undecided. I have opinions on all the candidates...some good, some bad.

I do find it interesting that the pro-Hillary crowd see Hillary haters behind every post. It begins to look like paranoia.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:44 PM
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62. I don't think it was her speech that was criticized, rather how the speech of others was handled
Seems to me hauling them off is not the message the Democratic Party wants to present.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:01 AM
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82. Re: "hauling them off is not the message"
I completely agree with you. That is the wrong message AND that is still the message coming through. Things have changed a bit since the days of Mike Dukakis, or of George McGovern.

Shillary is definitely winning some important friends with these tactics - because they're more theirs than hers.

The lady has too many unspoken commitments for moi.

Her vs Julie-Annie is certainly a very scary prospect. Two sides of the same coin!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:21 PM
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50. would cha know it---this is from Fox!!--
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:34 AM
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74. ...which has raised money for Clinton's campaign. Your point?
NT!

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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:48 PM
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67. The question is, how do you HANDLE hecklers?
I see a lot of improv comedy. And if personal appearances are like anything in politics, it's improv comedy.

There are lots of ways to handle hecklers, good and bad. Just watch any live comedy act. The best seems to be noting that the person is drunk and out of order, and doing it with a smile. Enough of that, and by then, security should be able to take the heckler out, and the audience stays on your side.

Bush can't handle hecklers. He snarls his responses in his typical drunken fashion. That's why they keep him in the bubble, and limit his exposure to possible heckling.

Hillary Clinton also can't handle hecklers. Saying the equivalent of "How dare you peasants talk to me!" makes her look like a bad guy.

I will have to see how Obama, Edwards and the others handle hecklers. But the similarity of the way Bush and Clinton handle hecklers...is just one more similarity that makes me really, really uncomfortable about voting for her. But since I'm in Florida and my vote doesn't count, she doesn't have much to worry about from me.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:58 PM
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68. Once, just once, I'd like to see a candidate heckled by climate scientists at an Iraq War event
Call me crazy, but it strikes me that one of these problems is going to (a) have a far bigger impact and (b) last much, much longer than the other.

:eyes:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:41 AM
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83. Kucinich protests Army training school
Source: AP

Kucinich protests Army training school By HARRY R. WEBER, Associated Press Writer
Sun Nov 18, 4:53 PM ET

COLUMBUS, Ga. - Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich said Sunday the thinking that went into producing an Army school blamed for human rights abuses in Latin America was the same that led the U.S. to war in Iraq and could cause it to raid Iran.

Kucinich was speaking at the 18th annual protest of the school at Fort Benning that trains Latin American soldiers, police and government officials. One of his first acts as president if elected would be to close the school, he said.

"The type of thinking that produced this school is the same type of thinking that produced the war in Iraq and is producing a war against Iran," Kucinich said. The Ohio congressman and former Cleveland mayor was addressing a crowd estimated by local police to number roughly 10,000.

The Army's School of the Americas moved to Fort Benning from Panama in 1984 and was replaced in 2001 by the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, under the Defense Department.

The protests outside the gate to the military installation are timed to commemorate six Jesuit priests who were killed along with their housekeeper and her daughter in El Salvador on Nov. 19, 1989. Some of those who killed them had attended the School of the Americas.

The military has acknowledged that some graduates committed crimes after attending the School of the Americas, but has said in the past that no cause-and-effect relationship has ever been established.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071118/ap_on_el_pr/military_school_protest
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:41 AM
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84. This is the kind of leadership we need ---
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:46 AM
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85. and won`t get from anyone else


i wonder why this was moved to here? maybe i`ll ask
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:47 AM
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86. Not sure why this story was combined with one about HC & global warming
They appear to be two different stories. In any case...

DK is about the only thing making the Dem Party look good at this point. He has the values, principles and backbone most of the others have lost. Go DK!
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:11 AM
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88. Aloha defendandprotect. My apologies. I made a mistake.
I'm fairly new at this moderating and got a bit confused over the topics I was reading.
I ended up combining yours in an error.

I hope you and the other readers will forgive me and, if you would, please re-post the thread in LBN.

Regrets,

Keopeli
LBN Moderator
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:59 AM
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89. I for the life of me can't see why your thread was merged into this one
Your thread should have stood.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:13 AM
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90. Face it. Hillary has an attitude, and it is going to get her in trouble.
She is like a weak person who has to overcompensate and act extra tough. She should have talked with the guy, asked him to be quiet and then quietly answered his question. He-whose-name-cannot-be-mentioned-on-DU says she is rigid and brittle. I think I have used those terms for her myself on an earlier blog. That description is quite accurate. Things that are rigid and brittle break. To be successful, a candidate needs to be flexible. Hillary is not. A person who posted on Daily Kos described Hillary as a schoolmarm I believe. I agree that is what she is. I just hope people wise up before we gets stuck with her as a candidate. That would be the end of the Democratic Party, I fear.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:52 AM
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93. Not a Clinton fan, but...
...but this was a GLOBAL WARMING forum, not a forum on the war. Mr. Berry was being very rude and off-topic.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:11 PM
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97. Oh Global Warming is very much related to war..
both are the result of oil and other fossil fuels.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:45 PM
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100. Grasping at straws, are we? n/t.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 03:45 PM by Odin2005
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:13 PM
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107. You mean you don't see the connection?
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:33 AM
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96. I'm convinced Code Pink is a GOP front group.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:46 PM
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101. Naw, they are more like ANSWER, counterproductive morans.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:57 PM
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103. Do they ever disrupt GOP events?
And how do they always manage to get some moron in a pink crown right in the camera view behind some corrupt GOPer giving congressional testimony? Rove couldn't pick better foils if he tried.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:15 PM
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108. Oh come on! Shit they put blood spattered hands in Kindasleazy's face!
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 07:15 PM by BornagainDUer
Republican tools? :eyes: :eyes:
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:13 PM
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98. Brilliant move by Code Pink!!! Global warming and its link
to resource wars!! Brilliant

Kick and recommended. I wish I could rec it 10 times!
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:17 PM
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109. This is about nothing less than saving the planet!!
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leftist_not_liberal Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:20 PM
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110. There is NOT ONE politician in America, up to and including
Al Gore who does not richly deserve to be heckled when they discuss the global climate catastrophe with the flippancy to even consider making profits while "saving the planet."

There will be no saving of the planet so long as the ingrained viciousness of the me-first profit motive is erased from the equation. And that is quite simply just the facts.
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