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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:43 PM
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China deals blow to Western efforts to punish Iran
Source: Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - China has dealt a blow to Western efforts to increase diplomatic pressure on Iran over its nuclear program by dropping out of a meeting to discuss tougher sanctions against Tehran.

Russia, which like China opposes further U.N. sanctions against Iran, added fuel to the fire by announcing on Friday that the U.N. nuclear watchdog would soon start inspecting and sealing atomic fuel bound for an Iranian reactor.

The West fears Iran wants to develop atomic weapons but Iran denies this. Tehran says it wants only to generate electricity.

Political directors from Britain, France, Germany, the United States, Russia and China were due to meet on November 19 to assess reports about Tehran's nuclear program from the United Nations and from EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.




Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1671722820071116
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 05:17 PM
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1. "No one could have guessed"
That our sabre-rattling would have consequences. . .
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 05:24 PM
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2. Who could have ever guessed
the day would arrive when I would support and Applaud a Communist Country for sticking up for its beliefs. And to keep my fingers crossed that they can HANG IN THERE>

Just unbelievable. The World Through the Looking glass.:smoke:
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:24 PM
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3. The Cheney/Bush bullies
have finally met their match. China can dump all the U.S. Treasury notes they are holding and other economic weapons against us.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:01 PM
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4. Exactly. China and Japan can let us spiral into the 2nd Great Depression
sealing the Democratic victory next year, if Bush goes through with anything that raises the price of oil any higher.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:37 PM
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5. Pardon?
are we in favor of a few million starving homeless HERE, if that is to the political advantage of the party?
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:49 PM
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10. That is NOT what I read her thread to be.
What her thread appears to be is BUSH does not care if this country goes into a severe Depression. Bush would rather see people starve and suffer then admit he it wrong. That refusal will guarantee a Democratic Victory in November 2008. Hopefully Bush will back down, but I agree with her, I do NOT see him doing so and we replace incompetent leaders through elections.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:36 PM
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13. My reading was hasty, but I still disagree with the relation
If Asian money policies plummet the dollar and our economy into depression, it would be as easy for the Republicans as the Democrats to capitalize on the results. In any case, I would rather see responsible and constructive coalition building, as during the previous depression, than partisan finger-pointing.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:11 PM
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11. China would be destroying themselves in the process NM
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:40 AM
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6. Not that surprising really..
China still feels like it can make a ton of $$$ from Iran. Russia has the same interest. Other than money I doubt either would care if everyone in Iran fell over dead tomorrow.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:06 AM
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7. Good.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:16 PM
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8. whatever slows the insanity down for now. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:38 PM
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9. You mean the melamine and lead didn't send a strong enough message here in Xmas time?
If Iran wants to generate electricity, why not let them buy solar, coal, oil, gas...

Wait, they have oil and gas, what the hell is their problem? Energy, as an excuse, doesn't fly.

Oopsie-doodles.

So, sorry everybody, I just blew Iran's theory out of the water. Unless somebody can come back with a good comeback.

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yava Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:41 PM
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12. Sherlock Holmes and Agatha
The issue of nuclear is being looked at as a puzzle.
Why go for nuclear when you have so much oil and gas?
Therefore stop, or be bombed!

That is not really the way nations operate.
At issue is whether a developing country should (and should be allowed to) fix their science and energy policies independently.
What they do with the enriched fuel and how much they enrich is a matter to control via IAEA and not by bombs.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 05:42 PM
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14. No you didnt. If it was that simple we would have solid evidence.
I know its difficult for your little head to consider animals like the Iranians to be simply future proofing there infrastructure, but do give it some consideration.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:05 PM
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15. Oh, I think it's probable that Iran wants nuclear weapons. Did you expect the
Chinese to be telling the truth about it--if it's true? That's not the issue for the Chinese. They likely figure that Iran having nuclear weapons will create "detente" in the Middle East--much like both sides having nuclear weapons created "detente" in the Cold War--to stabilize the situation, and insure their steady supply of oil from Iran. And, actually, I would tend to agree with them. It would create "detente." Not a good situation, but a better one than is presently the case.

As for Iran, their desire for nuclear weapons is understandable, considering the threat that they are under, with the entire U.S. military on their border, and constant saber-rattling by Bush/Cheney, including the nuclear option being "on the table." (What in God's name do they mean? They would nuke a country because it wants to defend itself?) They have Iraq for a stunning example of what happens to a country that gets attacked by the U.S. That, too--the disaster of Iraq--is right on their border. They have the history of the U.S. toppling of their democracy in 1954, and installing the horrible Shah. They would be nuts not to want a deterrent. And that's even without factoring in Israel and its nukes.

So I think China and Russia may be playing a game here--yes. But I think the game is "balance of power." From their point of view--and the point of view of just about everyone else in the world--the U.S. has become not just a superpower, but a lawless, unpredictable superpower with insane leaders. They are afraid of the Bush Junta. Why shouldn't they be? The "message" of the Iraq invasion is that they will attack ANYONE, without cause, who is not able to defend themselves--in the interest of U.S.-based global corporate predators and our leaders' insane ambitions to dominate the world and all of its resources. There are no rules by which anyone can play that will protect them from sudden, unprovoked attack. The world once TRUSTED the U.S. never to use nuclear weapons except in defense against a nuclear attack. That trust is gone! And this means that we will see proliferation of nuclear weapons, with all the attendant risks. We brought this upon ourselves, or, rather, the Bush Junta brought it upon us.

The world WILL become--has become--more dangerous because of Bushite policy. And the rest of the world WILL take--and is taking--measures to defend itself. Military, political and economic. I think we are seeing some of them already--in the falling dollar, in OPEC discussions of switching from the dollar to a "basket of currencies" (euros, Swiss Franks, etc.), in the disaffection of the many new leftist democracies in South America (which the Bushites have greatly alienated), in discussions/activities in South America about a South American "Common Market" and common currency (to get off the U.S. dollar), and recent discussions of forming a new OAS without the U.S. as a member, in withdrawal by Spain, Italy, and others from the Bushite war "coalition" and the election of leftist governments, in revulsion against U.S. policy, and in China and Russia withdrawing from this "sanction" bullshit about Iran, and backing away from a belligerent U.S. stance on Iran nukes (whether for energy or weapons).

The Bushites have inspired extraordinary dislike and fear of the U.S. I don't think we, the people, are responsible. I don't think we voted for them, either time. But we will bear the brunt of it, possibly in a second Great Depression, but certainly in massive debt for many decades, and in worldwide disrepute and hostility. And, considering what the U.S. has done in the Middle East, we should probably be glad that other countries are seeking a policy of detente and balance. It could easily have been Russian soldiers that we were/are fighting in Iraq, with a world war already upon us. If Russia hadn't been occupied with Chechnya, and still reeling from the breakup of the Soviet Union, that could have happened. Remember, the U.S. shot up the Russian diplomats' convoy out of Iraq, as the U.S. invaded. The Russians were aiding the Iraqis militarily. I was fearful then, that the Russians would be drawn in, and that the war would quickly spread. One of the reasons it hasn't is restraint on the part of IRAN. They have been sorely provoked, and made fearful. That they want something more to their defense--nuclear weapons--may be a good sign. They have shown no territorial ambitions. They have invaded no one. And, frankly, you have to ask, what would WE be doing, if, say, China had done to Mexico what we have done to Iraq? Would we not have invaded Mexico by now, to throw the Chinese out? Be glad that Iran hasn't done so, and seems to want merely to secure its borders and protect itself.
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