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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:20 PM
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Crude Oil Reaches Record $95.80 on Decline in U.S. Stockpiles
Source: Bloomberg

Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose to a record $95.80 a barrel in New York after a U.S. inventories unexpectedly fell to a two-year low.

U.S. crude stockpiles dropped 3.89 million barrels to 312.7 million barrels last week, the lowest since October 2005, according to the Department of Energy. A 400,000-barrel gain was expected in a Bloomberg News survey. Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, resumed some oil exports and revealed that a storm caused more output to be halted than had been assumed.

``The shock of the data is understandable when you consider the news from Pemex that they shut in something like 1 million barrels a day, not 600,000,'' said Chris Mennis, owner of oil broker New Wave Energy LLC in Aptos, California. ``Most of that would have been going to the U.S.''

Crude oil for December delivery gained as much as $1.27, or 1.3 percent, to $95.80 a barrel in after-hours electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest since trading began in 1983. It traded at $95.34 at 8:19 a.m. Singapore time.



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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:30 PM
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1. I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? I wasn't listening.
:)
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:49 PM
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2. Herman Munster, I hope this is a trick.
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 10:51 PM by there-s a
No treat for us. They're all going to the darth chaneys and rumsferatus of the world.We're all gonna be asking for wheelbarrows for xmas,to carry our grocery money in.x(

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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:00 PM
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3. So How Much Did Oil Cost Before The Eye-Rack War?
Oh right, $33 a barrel. Thank you, oh Wise Men of Washington, for all the gifts that keep on giving :grr:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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4. Crude oil breaches $96 a barrel
Source: MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) - Crude-oil prices, already at electronic-trading intraday records, breached $96 a barrel Thursday, continuing to rally on news that U.S. inventories dropped more than expected as well as a weakened dollar in the wake of the Federal Reserve's interest-rate cut.

The surge came after the U.S. Energy Information Administration said that commercial crude-oil inventories, which are inventories excluding those in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, fell by 3.9 million barrels to 312.7 million barrels in the week ending Oct. 26. That's the lowest since October 2005.

"It's basically supply and demand that's pushing up oil," said Greg Gibbs, ABN Amro's director of foreign exchange strategy in Sydney. "Demand is still strong and supply has been somewhat constrained, especially outside of OPEC."

The front-month contract for December delivery jumped as high as $96.24 a barrel in electronic trading before slipping back. It was recently quoted at $95.70 a barrel, $1.17 higher than the previous close on the New York Mercantile Exchange.


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Supply and demand?!?!?!


:banghead: :puke:

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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5.  Or 2.526 Yergins per bbl n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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6. It is really soaring, now. $100.00/barrel by next week?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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7. I'm going to end up eating my hat before this year is over
I said $100 a barrel oil was not going to be a reality until after the new year. I expected it to settle in the mid $90's with spikes into the upper $90 before then.

I'm not as sure about that now.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:36 PM
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21. At this point it will be Happy Thanks Giving
for the oil companies.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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8. Helicopter Ben must really have those printing pressses going...
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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17. Wonder if that's been outsourced,too.
To an overseas printing company,staffed by minors.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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18. Fed pumped $41 *Billion* in today.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:33 PM
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26. They are STILL PUMPING!?!
This is insanity. :crazy:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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9. I predict 110 by x-mass.
time to make homemade gifts folks. All that plastic shit at walmart is going to skyrocket whether walmart likes it or not.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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14. I predict 150+ by January 19th, 2009 and < 65 by 2010 (n/t)
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:40 PM
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22. Less than $65/bbl?
I believe that's fantasy. We'll never see that cost again.

Two words: Peak Oil.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:25 PM
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24. New president by then, out of Iraq, return to fiscal responsibility
equals a turn in the value of the dollar and < 65 a barrel oil.

Unless we vote in the wrong person. Then 200 bbl., a depression, war, etc.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:31 PM
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25. It won't matter who the president is - physical reality is physical reality
Peak Oil means that we've reached the point of diminishing returns. Our demand for oil will outstrip supply.

We could elect Jesus and it won't change that fact. The best we can hope for is to elect someone who understands the nature of Peak Oil and who can exercise genuine leadership. We need conservation and a move away from our auto-centric way of life, more mass transit and telecommuting. But it will be to no avail unless these reforms are enacted quickly. I fear that regardless of who we elect they will not "seize the day" and do this.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:14 PM
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10. Must be Chimp's magic jawbone, I guess.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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19. Well when you only have the jaw bone of an ass* to work with, what do you expect? lol nt
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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11. Yep, supply and demand - world crude production still hasn't surpassed May 05 totals per IEA
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 08:56 AM by hatrack
EDIT

Monthly production records are unchanged:

All Liquids: the peak is still July 2006 at 85.47 mbpd, the year to date average production in 2006 (11 months) is 84.59 mbpd, up 0.01 mbpd from 2005.

Crude Oil + NGL: the peak date remains May 2005 at 82.08 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 81.40 mbpd, down 0.03 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

Crude Oil + Condensate: the peak date remains May 2005 at 74.15 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 73.48 mbpd, down 0.09 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

NGPL: the peak date remains February 2005 at 8.05 mbpd, the year to date average production for 2006 (11 months) is 7.92 mbpd, up 0.06 mbpd from 2005 (11 months).

No major revisions on the previous monthly estimates in this month release.
Weak growth continues: November 2006 estimate for crude oil + condensate is 73.41 mbpd compared to 74.11 mbpd one year ago.

EDIT

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2300?nocomments

Ed. note - this may be a bit out of date - I think IEA's numbers have shifted slightly, but only by one or two months.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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12. No need to be paranoid
maybe the rest of the world really is out to get you.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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13. Who is making all this money?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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15. They want you to think countries in the ME are making the $$
But it's these people:

Market Capitalization Market Cap
EXXON MOBIL CP $505.5 B
PETROCHINA CO ADS $439.9 B
BP PLC $242.9 B
CHEVRON CORP $192.0 B
TOTAL S.A. $180.0 B

Those 5 guys are worth 1.5 trillion combined.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:15 PM
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16. And the consumer pays and pays
While they blame the ME.
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RantinRavin Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:34 PM
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20. Actually they are not the ones making the big bucks
The ones making the big bucks are the hedge fund traders who are doing the actual buying and seeling of the product. Remember, oil and gas are publicly traded commodities.
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:44 PM
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23. I predict well over $1,000/barrel by mid-2009.
Think I'm crazy?

I remember when people thought $100/barrel was crazy, and look where we are now.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:58 PM
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27. $1000 a barrel????
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 05:01 PM by happyslug
$1000 per 42 Gallons in a Barrel is almost $24 a gallon. The average American drives 12,000 miles a year in a car that gets 20 mph. Thus he (or she) uses 600 gallons a year. At $28 a gallon, buying 600 gallons equals $12,000 a year. Minimum wage is only $5.85 per hour as of July 2007. If we assume $6 an hour times 2080 hours in a 40 hour per work work year, that person is earning ONLY $12,480 for the year. Given that 7$ of those wages MUST go to Social Security Taxes, and anywhere from 2-4% goes to local and state taxes, the minimum wage earner can NOT even pay for the gasoline for his car let alone any other bill (including the car itself).

My point is way before oil gets to $1000 a gallon, you will have people STOP buying oil. With this drop in demand (do to the high price) the push for higher prices will slow down. Thus oil will NOT get to $1000 a Gallon in the near future (i.e. within the next five years). The only way oil will go that high is if wages goes up with the price of Gasoline. Given today's weak unions in the US, cost of living increases are a thing of the past, so most people will just be priced out of the market for oil.

Now I can see the price of oil entering a See-Saw period. By See-Saw, I see the price going up, to a point where less and less people can afford oil, and then do to less and less people buying oil, the will go down (but then go back up as people find they can afford oil again). This See-Saw will go on for decades as supply slowly dwindles (The push will to for the price to go up overall). The big question is when will Oil enter this See-Saw period? I suspect when Gasoline per gallon price gets close to the US Minimum wage. US minimum wage earners are the next largest oil using group. Most of the poor in the third world are already out priced. Previously the poor in the Asia Tigers (Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore etc) were the check, but they used oil for mostly cooking and thus use a lot less then American Minimum wage earners. These Third World wage poor are now out priced. The countries they live in still import oil, but for use by industry, their military or higher income people, all of which are willing to pay more than US minimum wage earners. These third world users of oil thus CAN not be the check their poor has been till now.

As to Europe, Japan, China, Korea, and even the former Countries of the old Warsaw Pact (Including Russia), all use a lot less oil than the US does. All oil used is such countries tend to be by higher income people, the Military, Government or industry. All of which can and will outbid US minimum wage earners. Again NOT a check. Once you look at possible checks in demand, it keeps coming back US minimum wage earners.

Thus, given how low other counties use oil, the price of oil will go up TILL US MINIMUM WAGE EARNERS can NO longer afford to pay the bill. That appears to be less than $5 a gallon in Gasoline or about $210 a Barrel (42 gallons to a barrel times 5). Thus I suspect a steady raise to at least $200 a Barrel and a slow increase after that date stopping while before it hits $300 a barrel. Please note I am ONLY assuming NO inflation AND no inflation driven wage increases. Given the weakness of Unions compared to the 1970s I fully expect to see NO cost of Living wage increases, if Congress should older such increases the price I am setting will be higher as Americans will be able to afford oil longer.

In Simple Terms, Oil will go to $200 a barrel and then stagnate, till future reduction in supply forces higher prices. We will have oil for 140 years, through at a rate DROPPING at the approximately the same rate as oil usage increased form 1859 till 2005. Remember Peak Oil is NOT when oil runs out, but when we have used 1/2 of the oil we can used and production of oil will continue, but production will drop each year for approximate 140 years (This is the "Bell Shape" statistical Curve Oil production does in most fields and has been following on a world wide basis since 1859). Hopefully we will adjust our society to reflect the drop in oil being produced. For example get people to live closer to where they work, buy food produced closer to where they live, and even produce a good part of their own food. It took use Decades to get to where we are, and it will take us Decades to adjust. A good oil price increase may get people to accept we have a problem and make the adjustments, instead of ignoring it and hope it go away.

Another way to look at this is from a Minimum wage workers prospective:
Income: 2080 hours (40 hours per week for 52 weeks) at 5.85 an hour=
$12,168 per year
Less the following:
Housing, if in Public Housing, 30$ of his Pay (If Not much higher).
$3650.40 (or $304.20 per month)
Taxes: 7% Social Security
$851.76
Food: 365 days per year at 3 meals per day at $2 per meal equal=
$2190

Total payments for Federal taxes, food and Housing+
$6687.76

That leaves $5480.24 for all his other bills. If we ignore his need for clothing entertainment, car payments, car insurance etc, he can pay up to $9.10 a gallon for gasoline (or $382.20 per barrel).

If we assume he has to pay at least $1480.24 per year for Maintenance of the Car, insurance on the Car, and for payment for the car itself that leaves just $4000 dollars for gasoline. $4000 0avoided by 600 gallons the average American uses, he can pay up to $6.66 per gallon (or just under $280 per barrel).

Remember for every dollar more than the $2 a meal I used above decreases the money available for gasoline by $1095 per year (365 times 3 meals a day).

I can go on, but the numbers are depressing. The Military pays more than $2 a meal, but if you increase the cost per meal to $4 a meal, you are reducing the amount of money available to buy gasoline by almost $2200 (Leaving less then $1800 to pay for gasoline which means no purchase if gasoline gets to $3 a gallon or $126 dollars a Barrel).

Please note the prices I use in this thread EXCLUDE taxes which in the US can be up to 32 Cents per gallon. For the tax in your state see:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html

I also relied on 12,000 miles driven per year as the standard, many poor people drive more do to the fact they hold two or more jobs. I also ignored the cost of distribution and refining gasoline in this thread. Roughly 25 cents per gallon, but varies.

Anyway, my point is demand for oil goes down long before the price gets to $1000 a barrel, I suspect $100 a barrel. My brother reports that at the retailer he works at, they are having problems hiring people for Christmas do to the price of Gasoline. He was talking about Teenagers for the Season, but it shows how the raise in the price of Gasoline has affected minimum wage workers already.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:35 PM
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28. Anyone know the stats on how much oil we burn in Iraq each day?
:shrug:
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