Two students shot at Cleveland school

[zanne]

Source: CNN

Just heard on CNN.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/

[54anickel]

1. Four shot at Cleveland, Ohio high school

http://www.wbir.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=49973&provider=gnews

Numerous police officers, with guns drawn have been seen running into the Successtech Academy High on Lakeside Avenue in downtown Cleveland, Ohio.Advertisement



1:58 p.m. There are unconfirmed reports that there may be as many as five people injured. Sources tell Channel 3 News that the security guard was on vacation and that two other full time security guards had been laid off in recent years. The school has business and administrative offices on the ground to 2nd floors and classrooms on the 3rd floor and above.
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1:48 p.m. Authorities are shutting down Lakeside Avenue from East 12th to East 14th Street due to the incident.
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1:41 p.m. Education Reporter Kim Wheeler reporting from the scene says the estimates are now that 4 people have been shot. Two of the victims have been taken to MetroHealth Center. Mayor Frank Jackson has arrived at the scene to find out firsthand what is happening.
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1:34 p.m. There are unconfirmed reports that students and teachers are hiding and taking cover inside the building. The SuccessTech Academy believes its students should participate in service learning and rigorous curriculum though the use of state of the art technology.

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[54anickel]

2. Another link here

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=D5BF520AB7E939A437AD48C450759549?contentId=4599505&version=31&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

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According to the Cleveland School District, police are still looking for the shooter.

Two people have been brought out of the school building on stretchers, Fox 8's Tom Merriman reports. One person is being transported to Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital and the other to MetroHealth Medical Center.

Fox 8's Belinda Prinz reports that the shooting took place during 10th period. A "Code Blue" was alerted to students and staff over the loudspeaker, which means there has been a shooting at the school. Students and teachers hid in various areas of the school. The school has since been evacuated; however, it is unknown whether there are still some people hiding in various areas of the building.

Numerous students have told Fox 8 that a ninth grade student opened fire on the fourth floor and then moved throughout the building.

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[TomInTib]

8. 10th Period?

Even though I never attended any school, that sure seems like a lot of class periods.

So what counts as a "period"?

[Daphne]

3. They are now saying the 14 year old shooter is dead as well.

This is tragic. How does a kid get TWO handguns?

[TomInTib]

7. Easy, he just picks them up off the table or pulls them out of a drawer.

Where this happened is a pretty rough place. I would imagine that most households there are armed.

And welcome to DU, Daphne!

[Kolesar]

17. E12th and Lakeside is downtown and it is not a very rough place

People could get mugged around there. It certainly is no violent ghetto.

Somebody's baby is gone, for keeps, forever.

[TomInTib]

18. I did not intend to imply that it was a "ghetto".

Heck, to me any downtown of any large City is a place where I don't want to be.

[Kolesar]

19. I love downtown Cleveland. I wish I was there now.

Jacob's Field, Cleveland Public Library, the view of the lake, people out and about in a bustling jobs center. Don't overlook it. I'd probably rather be in the park, but ... downtown is all right.

[knitter4democracy]

21. That area's not rough. Further east, yeah.

I used to teach on the EastSide. That area's nice, really, but it sounds like a charter school, which probably pulls from all over.

[Speaker]

12. Easy

This is tragic. How does a kid get TWO handguns?

The same place he gets 2 grams of coke.

[fujiyama]

24. I would think it's a LOT easier to get two handguns than two grams of coke...

Most homes don't keep coke stashed away in a drawer.

[mark414]

23. it's really not that hard

[Phillycat]

4. Jesus.

This shit is insane.

[gateley]

5. Report: Teen gunman killed after shooting spree in schoo

Source: cnn.com

(CNN) -- A teenage gunman was killed Wednesday after going on a shooting spree at a high school in Cleveland, Ohio, according to police and media reports.

The 14-year-old student was killed after the shooting rampage in which two teachers were shot, CNN affiliate WOIO reported.

It wasn't known whether police shot the youth or he killed himself. He reportedly was upset about a suspension.

At least two people and perhaps as many as four were wounded at SuccessTech Academy, a high school in downtown Cleveland, according to reports.
wo students were taken to hospitals, said Andrea Jackson, press secretary for Cleveland's mayor. One was taken out of the school on a stretcher but was conscious.

Cleveland fire, police and EMS are at the scene, as is Mayor Frank Jackson.

CNN affiliate WKYC reported four were wounded.

The academy describes itself on its Web site as a "small, nontraditional high school that provides a learning environment in which all student believe in their ability to succeed."

It adds that the curriculum is "problem-based" and "infused" with technology.

The school occupies three floors of a multistory downtown building that also houses businesses and organizations.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cleveland.shooting/index.html

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cleveland.shooting/index.html

[peaches2003]

6. Shot himself

The latest report says he took his own life.

[ProudDad]

9. Gee, we don't need music programs or libraries or

drama or art or COUNSELORS in schools...

That's all just fluff... :sarcasm:


We need to teach to the test...

We need to train good working units for the capitalist paradise...

We need to train good consuming units for the capitalist paradise...




Yeah, right... and you ignore human needs and this is what you get...

[ProudDad]

10. This is code for training -- not education...

'The academy describes itself on its Web site as a "small, nontraditional high school that provides a learning environment in which all student believe in their ability to succeed."

'It adds that the curriculum is "problem-based" and "infused" with technology.'


Gee, didn't work for this kid, did it?

[Xenotime]

11. How did this happen?

[derby378]

13. That's what I'd like to know

Before the Brady Campaign starts blaming the legal ownership of handguns - and I'm assuming that it's illegal for any 14-year-old to carry a handgun on the streets of Cleveland, let alone in a school - we need to sit down and find out exactly what the hell went wrong with this boy so we can hopefully prevent others like him from making the same stupid mistake in the future.

[Xenotime]

45. It SHOULD have been fixed after Columbine

These are gun-free zones for a reason.

[Riktor]

14. Here's what the Buckeye Firearm Association has to say

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3993.html

What dicks. They say in their opening paragraph that they "don't want to speculate", and then run on some speculative rant about how they think Jackson is going to criticize firearms for this. Then, they go as far as to proclaim if the teachers and school staff had been armed, this would never have happened. The same, stale, tired, predictable bullshit.

[MarkInLA]

15. Arm everybody (yeah, right)

These groups seem to believe that if only every man, woman, and child in America was armed, this country would be a much safer place. It's insane.

[Riktor]

20. There'd just be more innocent bystanders

You know, I just read an opinion piece on that site. It was written by a guy who lives in Clinton County. My uncle lives in Clinton County. It is the quintessential model for Nowhere, USA. No cities, no stores, no cops, no nothing. Cornfields, forests, deer, and a house every mile or so.

With that in mind, I guess I understand why these folks want to arm everybody... The have no idea how fucking crazy people are. If you live in Jerkwater, USA, population 500, maybe arming everybody is a good idea. After all, you'd know everybody in town, so you'd know who is crazy and who isn't. But hell, man, CLEVELAND???? Give me a break.

I am also wondering what makes them think owning a gun equates a person to Rambo? In most cases where an armed citizen attempts to defend himself from an attacker, the gun is taken away from him and then used to shoot him. Less than 1% of homicides are justifiable, which suggests guns really aren't THAT effective in warding off criminals.

[Irreverend IX]

33. "In most cases ... the gun is taken away from him"

Got proof?

[tomreedtoon]

37. If you carry a gun you're no longer "innocent."

The same way that a teenager, of either sex, who has relations with a bunch of people is no longer a "virgin."

If you carry a firearm you're no longer an innocent bystander. You're a valid target. If I were a cop entering a death scene like that, and was responsible for locking down a kill zone, that's the way I'd look at it.

[Kolesar]

30. Obvious display of low intellect

I could clean these morons out playing blackjack. Could probably hustle them at checkers, too.

[virginia mountainman]

32. That's not low intellect...

THIS, is low intellect...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

They have far more credibility than her, or the "brady bunch".

[MarkInLA]

16. and nothing will change...

It's events like this that make me think about leaving the U.S. for good. It's tragic that we accept mass shootings as a normal part of our culture.

[liberal N proud]

22. The local media is having an orgasm

The don't know what to cover, the school shooting or a train derailment with hazardous chemicals that has several major highways east of Cleveland shut down. They are flipping out about what to report and which story to cover.
No reporting on lost puppies tonight in Cleveland.

As far as the school shooting, 3 shot none life threatening, 1 other injury and the shooter, a 14 year old, shot and killed himself.

[virginia mountainman]

25. Gee...I thought all these "gun free" zones ....

....Where supposed to put an end to these sort of shootings?!?!?

Since they started mandating "gun free zones", seems like an awful lot of mass shootings happen their???

I guess they thought "gun free" zones would be as effective as "drug free"...

I will never understand the fear folks have of a teacher or other adults, whom we already trust with our children, after having been properly qualified, having a gun, ONLY IF THEY WANT TOO.

At least they would have the bad guys guessing, whether or not they are about to be faced by an armed defender. Now the "bad guys" KNOW, they will NOT be interfered with, while they carry out their plans.

It is a FACT, that armed staff and in some cases, adult students have stopped school massacres in their tracks..

Pearl Mississippi, the assistant principal, retrieved a hand gun from his vehicle, and stopped the shooter..

Appalachian School of Law, 2 students retrieved sidearms from their vehicles, and forced the shooter to surrender.

I wonder why the true facts of these "incidents' are not more widely known? Thank GOD, good citizens IGNORED the "gun free" signs.

[hogwyld]

26. I was wondering how long it would take

For the gungeon dwellers to say that everyone should be armed. I say that if the government would do it's job, and confiscate ALL firearms, then the kids would be alive...

[virginia mountainman]

27. Really?

When did I say "EVERYONE"....

If the government decides to confiscate firearms, WILL YOU, go door to door to get them??????

If not YOU, than "WHO"??

[benEzra]

28. Yeah, just like 80 years of heroin confiscation has eliminated heroin.

I say that if the government would do it's job, and confiscate ALL firearms, then the kids would be alive...

Yeah, just like 80 years of heroin confiscation, backed up by enforcement measures that go well beyond that permitted by the Fourth Amendment, has eliminated heroin... :eyes:

But the mask comes off...

I will say this. You are living in a fantasy world if you think that confiscation of ANY currently legal civilian guns would fly nationwide, never mind all handguns, all "assault weapons," or all guns. Attempting it would launch a literal civil war, but it would never get to that point, because the party that tried it would be out on its ear. To quote Plutarch, Пάλιν δ̀ὲ̀ του̑ Ξέρξου γράψαντος 'πέµψον τὰ ὅπλα' ἀντέγραψε 'µολὼν λαβέ' (from Moralia, III, Apophthegmata Laconica, "Sayings of Spartans")

My wife and I own guns, lawfully and responsibly, as do ~80 million others of voting age in this country. We will keep them, thanks. If you refuse to distinguish between lawful and responsible gun owners and the criminal and irresponsible, then you will continue to get nowhere. The failure to make that distinction, and going after lawful target shooters instead of criminal trafficking, is precisely why the U.S. gun-control lobby is in the sorry shape it's now in.

[Kolesar]

29. Five hours after the blood flows and BenEzra is airing a deflection about confiscation

This tragedy in Cleveland has nothing to do with clearing out your gun locker or ghastly visions of civil war. It also has nothing to do with drug policy.

[virginia mountainman]

31. Ben did NOT start the "confiscation talk"

Hogwyld did...

[benEzra]

35. "I say that if the government would do it's job, and confiscate ALL firearms"...

Five hours after the blood flows and BenEzra is airing a deflection about confiscation

This tragedy in Cleveland has nothing to do with clearing out your gun locker or ghastly visions of civil war. It also has nothing to do with drug policy.

It's fairly obvious you didn't read the post I was replying to, then:

(Hogwyld)
I say that if the government would do it's job, and confiscate ALL firearms, then the kids would be alive...

(benEzra)
Yeah, just like 80 years of heroin confiscation, backed up by enforcement measures that go well beyond that permitted by the Fourth Amendment, has eliminated heroin... :eyes:

But the mask comes off...

(etc.)

And it wasn't gun owners who started umpteen gun-owner-bashing threads hours after this shooting. But I suppose that's OK with you; it's only objecting to said bashing that you have a problem with.

[piedmont]

38. Do you not know how to read a thread? BenEzra was responding to hogwyld. nt

[beevul]

44. Yeah, hogwyld, put up or shut up.

Who here, said "everyone" should be armed? Name just one poster.

Otherwise, kindly keep your straw to yourself.


I was kind of thinking that the responsibility for making sure that these "gun free zones" laid at the feet of those proclaiming them to be such a thing.

But I suppose you will complain about metal detectors too, should they be installed, and say gun confiscation is a much better idea.

Entirely predictable.

[SyntaxError]

40. Put a gun freezone around the whole country and then you would have a valid point.

[benEzra]

43. You mean like our nationwide heroin-free zone? That sure worked...

just like our nationwide alcohol-free zone worked in the 1920's and 1930's.

If only we outlawed pot and heroin, it would no longer exist in the United States...

FWIW, if guns were outlawed, they could always be smuggled in from Central America disguised as routine cocaine shipments...not to mention the well over a quarter of a BILLION guns already in private hands in this country, that aren't going anywhere. Prohibition of popular items just does not work in the United States, whether the object of said prohibition is non-approved herbs, or guns. It just drives the legal market underground, making it even more difficult to control; cannabis is far easier to get in the United States than prescription foot powder.

[BurningDog]

34. Officials said he was wearing a black Marilyn Manson concert shirt...

black jeans and black-painted finger nails. Wonder what video games he has at home?

[benEzra]

36. Waiting for Jack Thompson and Dave Grossman to chime in... (n/t)

[SyntaxError]

39. Oh great...

Time to start throwing blame to the outside world instead of putting the blame where it actual belongs - those around him, and himself(as in family and school)

[ohio2007]

41. a week ago he was recorded on a camera phone getting his ass kicked

and now the schools are closed in CLeveland

[Algorem]

42. Cleveland schools record several gun incidents in a week

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/10/cleveland_schools_record_sever.html

Posted by Joseph L. Wagner and Scott Stephens October 10, 2007 22:15PM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime, Education

Wednesday's shooting spree at SuccessTech Academy was the bloody climax to a week's worth of gun-toting incidents across the Cleveland school district.

Oct. 3: A 16-year-old Margaret Ireland School student was arrested after school security officers found a loaded .25-caliber handgun with a six-shell clip in his book bag. The boy told officers he paid $25 for the weapon and carries it for protection. He was arrested after a gang fight involving nearly three dozen students, according to school security reports.

Cleveland police arrested the mother of a 15-year-old Genesis High School student who came to the school with a loaded .22-caliber gun, according to police reports. The woman told police her son had been jumped by students at school and called his mother on his cell phone. She brought the gun and confronted the attackers outside, who then scattered.

Monday: Security officers found a semiautomatic rifle, a scope and 43 rounds of ammunition in a duffel bag belonging to a 17-year-old special education student at Max S. Hayes Vocational School. The boy said he didn't know how the gun got there...




a plethora of packin' pupils



Student in Ohio shooting warned classmates of attack

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-35/119212227912620.xml&storylist=cleveland

10/11/2007, 12:55 p.m. EDT
By JOE MILICIA
The Associated Press

CLEVELAND (AP) — A high school student said Thursday that he and classmates had warned their principal about threats by a classmate who shot and wounded four people before killing himself, and believed the attack could have been prevented.

The student, Rasheem Smith, said on CBS' "Early Show" that despite their warnings about the student who opened fire Wednesday, Asa H. Coon, principal Johneita Durant told them she was too busy.

"I told my friends in the class that he had a gun and stuff," said Smith, 15. "He was talking about doing it last week. I don't know why they didn't say nothing.


"We talked to the principal. She would try to get us all in the office, but it would always be too busy for it to happen," Smith said...