Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Clinton seeks to re-evaluate NAFTA: Distances herself from one of husband's signature achievements

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:19 AM
Original message
Clinton seeks to re-evaluate NAFTA: Distances herself from one of husband's signature achievements
Source: USA Today

By Susan Page, USA TODAY

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Rodham Clinton distanced herself Monday from one of her husband's signature White House achievements, saying NAFTA should be reassessed and "adjusted" and any new free trade agreements postponed.

"I think we do need to take a deep breath and figure out how we can make it work for the greatest numbers of people," she told USA TODAY. Clinton said NAFTA's benefits have gone to the wealthy and cost jobs for working people. She said a "timeout" in new accords would last until she felt the issue of trade in the 21st century had been adequately studied.

In 1993, Bill Clinton signed the North American Free Trade Agreement, which lifted most tariffs on goods traded among the United States, Mexico and Canada. The New York senator said she has no qualms about splitting with her husband on a key economic point — one in which he battled fellow Democrats and their union allies. "Part of leadership is continuing to evaluate what we currently do to figure out if we can do it better," she said.

In the interview and in a speech that launched her two-day "Middle Class Express" bus tour of Iowa, Clinton addressed an issue that has imperiled her standing with some labor leaders: Bill Clinton's embrace of globalization and free trade....Her comments are reassuring to some of her husband's liberal critics, says Larry Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, which raised concerns about the Clinton-era trade deals. "There are many people who fear electing Sen. Clinton would be just a redo, but I think that may be mistaken," he said....

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-08-clinton-economy_N.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:28 AM
Response to Original message
1. Sounds like she knows that her lead in the polls is tenuous
but still don't trust her. She can say one thing in the primary and then conveniently forget it after getting into the WH and when the corporate lobbyists come marching into her office for favors to repay the money they donated to her campaign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. OK but realize you are damning her if she does and if she doesn't.
If she had come out strongly defending NAFTA you would have been very critical, no? Not really fair, don't you think? Maybe she gets a little credit for hearing what many Democrats have been saying all along on this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. The Clintons have a poor history on NAFTA and free trade
so this little turn from Hillary is welcome but her motives are suspicious as well as keeping her word on changing course on NAFTA.

Hillary has to earn respect and trust from me. She's definitely earned contempt and scorn from me. She has a long way to go before I'll ever respect her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #4
32. actually, perhaps the more apt observation is that she appears to be
triangulating again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. She said this months ago. I think maybe during 1st debate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
2. Now that's a positive sign.
Maybe it's all talk and maybe it's not, but at least she's talking about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Maybe the primary process is working. People forget sometimes that one goal of the primary process
is for the candidate who finally garners the nomination to get a chance to feel the pulse of the party and to respond to it. That's not necessarily pandering - that could be called "listening." I agree, it is a positive sign, regardless of the motivation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. The will of the majority
You reminded me of an article I read this morning about SCHIP. According to a Rasmussen Reports survey 65% of American voters know that Junior vetoed the legislation. Of those who knew about the veto, 57% disapproved and 31% supported the President’s action. Only 31% supported the veto .

Also, the issue is clearly of substantial importance to the electorate with 70% concluding that it is very important to insure all children under 18.

Further, there was also majority support for raising tobacco taxes to pay for the program. In all, 54% support raising tobacco taxes while only 35% disagreed.

Given the President's already low ratings, he clearly does not have the political capital to maintain the position that he has already staked out. To be sure, he may well have enough votes in the House to sustain a veto. But the Rasmussen poll data is very clear: if President Bush does not show at least some flexibility, the Republicans could pay a substantial cost for his intransigence next year.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/why_bush_has_to_compromise_on_children_s_health

This is a digression from the OP topic but I wanted to share it as another reason to hope the will of the majority just might start to prevail a little more than it has in the past.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #5
30. Hopefully it is
and that is why Kucinich needs to stay in: to give the others food for thought.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. Lasher -- weasel words, that's all
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 10:18 AM by antigop
Does she mention HOW NAFTA should be "adjusted"? WHEN NAFTA should be "adjusted"?
Parse her words very carefully.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Weasel words they may or may not be, as I said.
I'm just glad to see a prominent national politician saying NAFTA is not working well and that it needs to be changed. More critical discourse of this nature can promote more awareness of what these 'free' trade mean to US workers. I think that's good, whether it's a weasel doing the talking or not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Talk is cheap. We need action and she didn't give anything specific.
Whereas Kucinich has said he will withdraw from NAFTA and the WTO immediately.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Hmm - "Kucinich SAID" - also talk, no? Talk is all a candidate has.
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 12:38 PM by yellowcanine
Why is it when Hillary says what we say we want her to say she gets skewered for that as much as when she says something we don't want her to say? I think we need to cut Hillary a little slack here. Like everything else in his adminsistration, (including the so-called "Hillary" health care plan), NAFTA was a Bill Clintion initiative. Yet many here will lionize Bill Clinton and trash Hillary for positions that if anything are closer to our positions than what Bill's were. I don't understand it.

On edit I would also add that talk is particularly cheap when it comes from a candidate who has no real chance of winning - the positions of Kucinich will never be tested in the real world because he is not going to get elected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Because sHillary did NOT say HOW or WHEN --- that's why. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. As I noted it is easy to get specific and make all kinds of promises if you don't really expect to
get elected and have to carry them out. I actually would rather have a candidate who doesn't go overboard on the specifics and leaves some maneuvering room rather than getting locked into certain positions. Believe me, we have had enough of a president being locked into unchanging positions. Sometimes one needs to tack a little to get things done. And note, when a sailor tacks he still gets to the same place. Specifically on the question of NAFTA, we need free trade. The alternative is worse for us than for the South Americans, as they buy a lot of our crap. But we need to make adjustments to make it fair for our workers - not pull out of it as Kucinich suggests.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Good grief!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. You have a rebuttal point of your own to make? It is a little cheesy to simply link someone else's
argument, don't you think?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Not when it was stated so eloquently by Armstead. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. "talk is particularly cheap when it comes from a candidate who has no real chance of winning "
-- President Thomas Dewey.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:55 AM
Response to Original message
3. Gee that isn't like every one of the candidates
THEY can say one thing, while campaigning to get elected, and when they win the election CHANGE THEIR OPINION.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:06 AM
Response to Original message
6. achievement?
er.. they call it that? .....really?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. Spin, talks cheap, what action has she ever taken to ameliorate NAFTA in any manner.
Here's a real scoop: she never will, just another corporate whore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
9. She said pretty much the same thing at her breakout session at the Yearly Kos back in August
I'm just sayin'...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:10 AM
Response to Original message
12. How are her comments "reassuring"???
Unless she firmly states "I will work to repeal NAFTA", there's nothing to be "reassured" about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
15. So the US got exactly what they wanted, and now she wants lock it up
You can't blame Canada for this one - we got shafted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
17. She'll furrow her brow and act concerned until the election.
If she wins, she'll say "NAFTA RRRRRAWWWWWWWXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!"

:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
20. Good for her!
What, is she starting to turn away from the Dark Side?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
21. re-evaulating isn't enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
27. CLinton is only doing what they all are doing, that is playing
the field and saying what people want to hear....
I don't care I love the woman and I am voting for her. She is a smart woman
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
28. Throw me another bone
That Iran/Iraq war thing is stuck in my throat.

What happened to the baby bonds? Oh you shameless girl.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
29. & the problem here on DU ------ *IS* -----?!!1 Everybody here hates NAFTA!11 n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:21 AM
Response to Original message
31. More good news from the Clinton campaign. The other being
the 401K plan announcement.

I'm not nearly as optimistic about this one (as it could easily be weasel words) but at least she is saying the right thing. Bill Clinton had economist Joseph Stiglitz as an advisor so maybe she'll listen to him where her husband didn't. Stiglitz is pro globalization/"free trade" but he see that there are many problems with it as well. He understands that the IMF and world bank are deeply flawed. I expect that it is someone like Stiglitz that Clinton might turn to for advice. So we won't see an end to NAFTA type agreements but at least there will be an attempt to fix the many flaws. You have to recognize there are problems in order to fix them so this is potentially a good first step.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC