Bishop Would Deny Communion to Giuliani

[RamboLiberal]

Source: My Way News/AP

Roman Catholic Archbishop Raymond Burke, who made headlines last presidential season by saying he'd refuse Holy Communion to John Kerry, has his eye on Rudy Giuliani this year. Giuliani's response: "Archbishops have a right to their opinion."

Burke, the archbishop of St. Louis, was asked if he would deny Communion to Giuliani or any other presidential candidate who supports abortion rights.

"If any politician approached me and he'd been admonished not to present himself, I'd not give it," Burke told The Associated Press Wednesday. "To me, you have to be certain a person realizes he is persisting in a serious public sin."

Asked if the same would apply to politicians who support the death penalty or pre-emptive war, he said, "It's a little more complicated in that case."



Read more: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071004/D8S24K980.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. What about those child molesting priests?

My response to anything having to do with Catholicism anymore.

[ShortnFiery]

2. This CLUELESS Bishop needs to check with the Vatican decree ...

The ONLY person who *judges* one's ability to receive Communion is THE PERSON HIM/HERSELF.

Hello?!? Priests, Bishops and Cardinals hold Confessions but DO NOT have the power to deny Communion to ANY PARISH MEMBER.

That *blessed pact* is between "the person" and "GOD." According to Vatican guidelines one's Parish Priest does NOT have this power ... they don't even figure into this delicate equation.

[rpannier]

4. Apparantly comething changed

An Archbishop in New Jersey refused communion to the governor over the governor's stance on abortion and the Vatican said/did nothing to/about the Bushop.

[ShortnFiery]

7. Of course Priests and Bishops can run roughshod and act on their own, but the guidance

from the Vatican does not OFFER them that power.

You search your soul and reflect on your actions toward others across the week. It is "the person's" assessment as to whether they have behaved as Christ would want (no mortal sins). NO, it's not the determination of the Church Hierarchy, but the entire onus is on the individual Parishioner.

Priests are God's conduit ... our blessing, not taskmasters but GUIDES. :shrug:

[rwenos]

5. Non-Catholic has a question

Isn't denying any Catholic who has confessed their sins, and is otherwise in a state of Grace, denying a believer one of the Sacraments? How is that not a "mortal sin," for the priest, I mean?

Catholicism and common sense do not appear to meet.

[MADem]

12. Rudy has that "I wed three wives" problem--no state o' grace for him! nt

[JVS]

6. what decree is this?

[ShortnFiery]

9. During the 2004 election, the Vatican published a paper Re: communion.

In essence, it states that "preparation and determination" whether someone was worthy to take Holy Communion RESTS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL. Sure, Priests can step in and TAKE that authority, but it doesn't make it right. :shrug:

[JVS]

10. I'm going to need a link or title

[ShortnFiery]

11. Here! Again, the Bishops can run roughshod, but that doesn't make it a morally sound intervention.

http://www.newrules.org/voice2004/askdave/16askdave.html

In recent months, several U.S. bishops have declared their intention to actively deny Communion to Catholics whose behavior violates Church doctrine. This triggered widespread debate both inside and outside the Catholic community for, as Reverend Thomas Reese, editor for America, a Catholic Magazine observed, this “is a new and really, a very unusual development.”

The debate involves several issues. One is whether bishops should assume an active, interventionist role. In recent decades the Church has rarely denied Communion to a Catholic who wants it. Church leaders have left it up to the conscience of the individual parishioner as to whether to participate. Cardinal William H. Keeler of Baltimore sums up the traditional position, “Catholics have a responsibility to examine their own conscience and see if they are in a state that is appropriate for the reception of the sacrament.”

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Sure the Catholic Hierarchy can decree that what's up is down - but again, like The Inquisition, it doesn't automatically make their judgements morally sound. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

14. This bishop reminds me of a pharacist who will not sell the Pill.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. bingo.

that's the proper framing.

[CatholicEdHead]

17. Burke is only trying to get a promotion to Rome

or an red Cardinal hat. I have noticed it is types like these who always get promoted. The reasonable, down to earth ones are kept at the bottom.

[rpannier]

3. It's a little more complicated??? I see...But in his defense

You certainly can't accuse him of being a partisan hack. He's an equal-opportunity denier (communion denier)

[ShortnFiery]

8. The Holy Catholic Church has NOT directly granted Bishops such *power* n/t

[Ian David]

13. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess.

How do you like your religious-right fundies NOW, Repukes?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. what kind of religion drinks blood and eats corpses, anyway?

symbolic or not, doesn't the idea give you the Hebe jeebeeies?

Guiliani doesn't care. Given his personal life, and the aplomb he maintains, this has no meaning at all.

[meow2u3]

18. At least the bishop doesn't pick on only Democrats

Schwarzenegger (sp?) would be denied Communion, too. Democrats aren't the only ones singled out, thank God; otherwise, Archbishop Burke would look as if he were prejudiced against Dems.

As for Kerry being denied Communion, he's divorced and remarried after having married his first wife in the Church; therefore the grounds for denying him communion is that he's been living in a state of adultery (in the eyes of the Church), and has little to do with supporting abortion rights. The same holds true for Ghouliani.

[customerserviceguy]

19. Why do we give a crap

about what a bogus religion does to a hypocrite Repuke? Hypocracy upon hypocracy, I say! (By the way, I am a former catholic, or as I prefer to say, a recovered catholic!)

[JVS]

20. How many wives has Rudy had? Wouldn't that already disqualify him?

[surfermaw]

21. I am a democrat and those remarks even make Rudy look better to me

Who would pay any attention to the Catholic Church, they need to clean up their mess before taking care of someone elses business.

[dflprincess]

22. Assuming that Rudy and his second wife were married in the Church

and assuming that it wasn't annulled like his first marriage, he's already banned from Communion because the church considers him to still be married to #2 and living in sin with #3.