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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:25 PM
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US trains Gulf air forces for war with Iran
Source: Telegraph UK

The American air force is working with military leaders from the Gulf to train and prepare Arab air forces for a possible war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Neocons seek to justify action against Teheran

An air warfare conference in Washington last week was told how American air chiefs have helped to co-ordinate intelligence-sharing with Gulf Arab nations and organise combined exercises designed to make it easier to fight together.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/wiran130.xml
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:40 PM
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1. Seeking to build a coalition for the next war?
:sarcasm:
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:43 PM
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2. All part of the show.
Arab air forces will be non performers once the shooting starts.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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3. Neocons seek to justify action against Teheran
Source: Telegraph.UK

American diplomats have been ordered to compile a dossier detailing Iran's violations of international law that some fear could be used to justify military strikes against the Islamic republic's nuclear programme.

US trains Gulf air forces for war with Iran
Members of the US secretariat in the United Nations were asked earlier this month to begin "searching for things that Iran has done wrong", The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Some US diplomats believe the exercise — reminiscent of attempts by vice-president Dick Cheney and the former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld to build the case against Saddam Hussein before the Iraq war — will boost calls for military action by neo-conservatives inside and outside the administration.

One diplomat revealed the plans for an Iran dossier to Steven Clemons, a fellow with the New America Foundation, a Washington think-tank, who has previously revealed attempts by Mr Cheney's allies to pressurise President George W Bush into war.


Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/wiran230.xml
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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4. I hate all Iranians, US aide tells MPs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484762&in_page_id=1770

I hate all Iranians, US aide tells MPs



By SIMON WALTERS

Last updated at 21:26pm on 29th September 2007



Britsh MPs visiting the Pentagon to discuss America's stance on Iran and Iraq were shocked to be told by one of President Bush's senior women officials: "I hate all Iranians."


And she also accused Britain of "dismantling" the Anglo-US-led coalition in Iraq by pulling troops out of Basra too soon.

The all-party group of MPs say Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates, made the comments this month.

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Hard line: Debra Cagan stunned the MPs with her comments


The six MPs were taken aback by the hardline approach of the Pentagon and in particular Ms Cagan, one of Mr Bush's foreign policy advisers.

She made it clear that although the US had no plans to attack Iran, it did not rule out doing so if the Iranians ignored warnings not to develop a nuclear bomb.

It was her tone when they met her on September 11 that shocked them most.

The MPs say that at one point she said: "In any case, I hate all Iranians."

Although it was an aside, it was not out of keeping with her general demeanour.

"She seemed more keen on saying she didn't like Iranians than that the US had no plans to attack Iran," said one MP. "She did say there were no plans for an attack but the tone did not fit the words."

Another MP said: "I formed the impression that some in America are looking for an excuse to attack Iran. It was very alarming."

Tory Stuart Graham, who was on the ten-day trip, would not discuss Ms Cagan but said: "It was very sobering to hear from the horse's mouth how the US sees the situation."

Ms Cagan, whose job involves keeping the coalition in Iraq together, also criticised Britain for pulling out troops.

"She said if we leave the south of Iraq, the Iranians will take it over," said one MP.

Another said: "She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style."

The MPs also saw Henry Worcester, Deputy Director of the Office of Iranian Affairs, who said he favoured talks with Iran.

The Pentagon denied Ms Cagan said she "hated" Iranians.

"She doesn't speak that way," said an official.

But when The Mail on Sunday spoke to four of the six MPs, three confirmed privately that she made the remark and one declined to comment. The other two could not be contacted.



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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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5. something is wrong with that "woman"
Very amusing that the quote said "horses mouth".
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:55 PM
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16. To quote Austin Powers
"She's a man, baby"
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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6. "It was very sobering to hear from the horse's mouth.." Is this man saying she has an equine
appearance?
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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7. neigh- horses are more handsome
Interesting comments- it truly is how the republicans view Iran. Why do they want another World War?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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8. She has a very 'Hitleresque' look about her.
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 01:04 PM by louis-t
I wonder what she looks like in brown? edit: Interesting choice of jewelry, isn't it?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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9. some one in GD suggested this
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 01:11 PM by seemslikeadream
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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11. Her rigor mortis look is enchanting
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:51 PM
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15. It could be the Iron Cross hanging from her neck.
Although not Nazi in origin, the Nazis embraced it as their own. Look at old photos of Hitlers cronies and many of them are wearing the iron crosses they received in WWI.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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10. OMG she's definitely some kind of freaky nazi chick
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:25 PM
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25. With A
Jewish name. :crazy:
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:13 PM
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13. I don't usually like to make fun of people's looks or clothing but
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 03:14 PM by blondie58
that necklace that she is wearing with the red (leather?) jacket looks like a swastika.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:14 PM
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14. A link to more info on Cagan.
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-hate-all-iranians-us-aide-tells-brit.html

She is very closely involved with Richard Armitage and the PNAC agenda. at the bottom of the Newshounder page is a link to a PDF file with more info on her dealings.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:35 AM
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21. Look at the fucking iron cross around that bitch's (if you can call "it" a bitch) neck
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 01:38 AM by kysrsoze
Seriously, WTF? IT's a Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates? What position is that? "She" looks like a NEO-NAZI, if I've EVER seen one. This is Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS, only not sexy at all like in the movies.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:43 AM
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23. what is wrong with her face?
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:01 PM
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12. This gang of criminal, neocon nazis must be brought to justice...
They will be stopped, only when they are convicted for treason
and war crimes, and placed behind bars or hung. America can,
only be fully restored, with a new Nuremberg Trial. These
Fascist will bring America to an end, like Hitler did to
Germany.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:21 PM
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20. Very NWO fashion statement
There definitely is a madness repeating itself

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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:13 PM
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17. Many Americans will not be able to support their country in this
It will be hard to support a country that does something so destructive as start ANOTHER war of choice/aggression.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:46 AM
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24. I only hope americans will not sit idly by and watch another country
being ethically cleansed. Afghanistan, Iraq and what???Iran, * is a maniac.
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:41 PM
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18. Can this seriously happen?
Will our people actually let themselves be herded into another war? i can't imagine it happening twice in five years.

Of course i was saying the same thing before 2003 about that war.. "People won't buy this wholesale, will they?" But times are different now, and although it's mostly for the worse i would like to believe that people won't let this happen again just yet. If the push to war with Iran continues, hopefully we in the u s can take a cue from protesters in Pakistan and Myanmar and stand up despite horrible odds and/or consequences
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:59 PM
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19. Not much training required
"Just park 'yer aircraft the hell out of the way and let us use all your runways and hangars".
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:39 AM
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22. Nutfuckery!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:34 PM
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26. Kick. n/t
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