House Condemns MoveOn.org Attack

[Purveyor]

Source: Associated Press

The House on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to condemn the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org for a recent advertisement attacking the top U.S. general in Iraq.

By a 341-79 vote, the House passed a resolution praising the patriotism Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, and condemning a MoveOn.org ad that referred to Petraeus as "General Betray Us."

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The resolution was attached to a stopgap measure funding Cabinet budgets until mid-November.

Wisconsin Rep. David Obey, a veteran Democrat, recounted how he left the Republican Party during the era of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wis., and said that lawmakers have an obligation to criticize their allies as well as their enemies when they go too far.

"I've got an obligation to be equally upset when that kind of juvenile debate emanates from the left," Obey said.



Read more: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/09/26/national/w095848D93.DTL

[iconoclastic cat]

1. You know, about the only thing I have left in common with the party is DU.

At least in practice.

[Blue_Tires]

75. +1

[TankLV]

83. Ya got that right...

sad, isn't it...

[crim son]

115. Agreed.

Depressing.

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Asswipes wasting OUR money, again!

Get on with the real business of our nation, you fools! :grr: :mad: :grr:

[damntexdem]

6. I don't donate to the Democratic Party.

I donate to Moving On.

[Whoa_Nelly]

18. When I state, "our money", I mean every single taxpayer's money

It is taxpayer money that pays these fools' salary.

[tridim]

3. Juvenile debate?

How was that ad a "debate"? It was just an ad with one opinion and a load of facts.

Really pathetic Mr. Congressman.

[saigon68]

15. He'd Rather Support War Criminal BeTrayus

Be Trayus will I'm afraid be judged Harshly by History

I'd personally be thrilled to see little Puppet Betrayus Frog marched in an orange suit into court.

[robinlynne]

68. if it is juvenile, why waste congressional time condemning it? especially since it was a simple

opinion, and one shared by millions (I hope).

[madfloridian]

4. I thought Pelosi said she would be busy doing other things??

And voting on important things. Was that just to keep us quiet?

I feel sick.

[OnyxCollie]

7. No time for things like impeachment. nt

[Cha]

41. I'm sick too, mad..no time to

vote on Impeachment of the most criminal sic pres in history but always time to vote on condeming Moveon who only tells the truth with a name his Soldiers gave him, "betrayus".

Yeah, it would be worse with marsha blackburn or her ilk being the speaker but with nancy we still just keep getting betrayed. It makes me think they've made a deal with the devil and I hope that's being melodramtic but I don't think so.

[devilgrrl]

5. Please with this shit!

:eyes:

[partylessinOhio]

8. More crap coming through Madame Squeaker. Instead of getting on with

the people's business she has again been led around by the nose by her man * and the Repugs. This is such an embarrassment.

Step aside and let a man get this job done. You cannot handle even the members of your own party.

:thumbsdown:

[fasttense]

9. Pelosi should have kept this off the table.

If Impeachment of the biggest group of criminals to ever step foot in the WH is off the table, then she should have kept condemning a liberal group for a purchased ad off the table. I guess it is ok, by her, to disparage the liberal base but she'll let criminals continue their crime spree. What kind of priorities does she have?

[KoKo]

40. Both Reid and Pelosi allowed the Censure to come to floor and be voted on.

It's amazing how the Repugs had such free reign and it was to be a new day for the House and Senate...yet it seems trash like this censure can come to the floor for a vote when Censure of Cheney has to have sponsors and such. I guess I don't understand anymore how things work. :shrug:

[Warren Stupidity]

47. funny what ends up on the table, ain't it?

[KoKo]

51. KOS poster whose handle is "DemHill Staffer" explains it here:

the minority has the right to offer (21+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Ed in Montana, ferg, SarahLee, deben, RFK Lives, bronte17, SecondComing, buckhorn okie, cometman, inclusiveheart, smartgo, weelzup, 3goldens, reflectionsv37, Overseas, LeftOverAmerica, atrexler, MarketTrustee, Evil Betty, dotdot, blue armadillo

one motion to recommit (which has the effect of an amendment) to every bill. this was a continuing resolution to fund the gov't beyond the sept 30 end of the fiscal year. they used their one motion to recommit to add a section that condemned moveon.

"Be radical, be radical, be not too damned radical." - Whitman <-4.50, -5.79>

by DemHillStaffer on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:19:08 AM PDT

< Parent >

*
Shaking head. Thanks for the clarification. n/t

[lligrd]

89. Nothing I Ever Want

Who's choosing this menu anyway?

[rubberducky]

10. Well it looks like another donation is in order to Move-On from me.

What the hell is wrong with those people that are SUPPOSED to be representing US? I have so little to donate and I thought I would be donating to dem party instead, they force me to donate to who speaks for me, Move-On.org

[Triana]

31. I just sent them one because of this crap...

..what a bunch of spineless ninnies we have for "representatives" up there.

Insufferable little pantywaist jellyfish.

[Larkspur]

11. Does anyone have a list of the votes on this measure?

[Lasher]

94. It's good to keep score.

Link to the House vote results 341 yeas, 79 nays, 12 not voting.

Link to Senate vote results on similar measure 72 yeas, 25 nays, 3 not voting.

[Greyskye]

12. You want a message?

No more money donations from my family until they put impeachment on the table and stop wasting our time and money w/ crap like the MoveOn condemnation.

Can you hear me now? :grr:

[0007]

99. No more money from this loyal fool!

[grytpype]

13. Why?

[ChickMagic]

14. Oh really? You want juvenile from the left?

Then eat shit and die. Assholes.

[Larkspur]

16. This is a good reason to start taking over the Dem Party

You start by getting on your local Dem Town Committees. That's a better way to reform the Dem Party than leaving it. You'll have to put up with stupid stuff for a while, but after we take it over, we can censure our reps who betray us.

[ProudDad]

30. That's where I'm going

I'll be "gently" confronting my local congresscritter regarding Single-Payer (again)...

She's mild DLC (DLC in name only?), her family owns a local business and before Congress she was the President, but she appears to be a reasonably decent and articulate person -- so hope springs eternal...

But the Congress -- bought and paid for by the corporations -- many of which are making a killing on war... lost cause...


On Edit: I don't expect substantive change in this benighted country. The Empire is a lost cause and only its collapse will allow room for a different human friendly paradigm. I pray it happens soon.

Meanwhile, our brothers and sisters to the south are busy building a new paradigm to take the place of USAmerikan corporate capitalist rape and pillage...

[frylock]

17. fuck these fucking shitters..

and that includes every last dem who thought this was a good idea. absolute waste of time, and these stupid fucking dems are tripping over each other for the privilege to vote on this crap when they should have abstained. i'm done wasting my vote on these poltroons. fucking done.

[ClintonTyree]

19. That's so embarrassing ....

Congress can get bipartisan support for something that means absolutely nothing but can't get bipartisan support for anything that actually means something.

If they put the same effort into ending Bush's fucking war then we'd have something. Until then, we have nothing and Congress seems to think that's just fine. :grr:

[LibDemAlways]

20. That shit spewed by the chimp about the Dems

caring more about their base than the military really struck a nerve in some of the spineless wimps who "represent" us. Instead of standing up and defending the truth of the ad, they fall all over themselves distancing their asses from it. Idiots.

[Rageneau]

21. We need to make Move On stronger and the DNC and DLC weaker.

From now on, my money and support goes exclusively to Move-On and not to the Democratic Party.

In fact, I don't care anymore if the Democratic Party itself ceases to exist. It deserves to crumble into its own corruption.

It may just be that our only hope as liberal Americans is to abandon the weak-kneed Democrats completely. We need to completely reorganize ourselves along the grassroots, Move-On model.

Yes, that may cost us yet another election. But better to lose an election than to lose the country. And these days, the national Democratic Party is losing us the country.

Worst, they do not seem to even CARE what we the voters think.

[0007]

100. Best idea I've heard so far!

[mikelgb]

22. wtf I thought Pelosi said this wouldn't make it to the floor

does this mean she was lying when she said Impeachment is off the table?

I hope so...

[Amonester]

29. Don't hold your breath hoping.

Maybe it means she was lying when she said this wouldn't make it to the floor.

And (so far) it's obvious she was not lying when she said Impeachment is off the table.

We The People AND The Constitution Be Damned.

[SlingBlade]

23. WTF

I thought we won last Nov. !
These assholes had better be prepared to do the same the very next time some repug bullshit hits the airwaves.
I’m getting sick of these repug ass lickers, Where the hell is their nerve.
They USED us to get elected and then pull this bullshit ???

Fucking Assholes !

[ProudDad]

44. "we" didn't win

the corporate capitalist masters just moved some of their support to the B-Team -- the "moderate" right-wing of the two-right wings of the Big Business Party...the Democrat Party...

War is GOOD for big business so it's war we get...

Universal Single-Payer Health Care is bad for big business so it's health insurance mafia welfare we get...

Outsourcing, downsizing, "rightsizing", give-backs and "cost containment" are all good for big business (lousy for human beings) so they pass the laws to make it easy for the corporate capitalist masters to screw workers.


Follow the money. You can ALWAYS count on Dems to abandon their (extremely weak, expedience driven) "principles" when their big backers are involved. republicans are "true believers" so big business can ALWAYS count on their votes.

WAR = BIG MONEY - and no questions asked!!!


By the way, does anyone know which room those big hearings on war profiteering and profiteers are being held??? :sarcasm:

[KoKo]

24. I guess the message is clear: "SHUT UP & BACK OFF!"

disturbing...because it unleashes the Right to go after us on the Left saying even our own Party doesn't want the "Move On element."

[Sadie5]

27. Who were the 79

who voted against this deal?

[KoKo]

32. don't know...the article doesn't say...hopefully someone will post.

[Larkspur]

39. DailyKos diary has the list

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/26/13021/7964

My Rep voted for this fascist measure. I'll be faxing him shortly about this.

[ProudDad]

45. Mine voted for it too

I'll be confronting her personally this Saturday Morning!!!

[Beaverhausen]

53. WOW!!! My rep (Brad Sherman) voted against it

Good for him!

[Oak2004]

81. Well, that's it

It's time for me to put some effort into finding a challenger for Welch (which, in VT politics, will probably translate into a Progressive, rather than primary, opponent). No one, let alone Vermont reps, should have voted to condemn the opinion of their constituents.

[Doremus]

87. Mine voted nay, the always-courageous Stephanie Tubbs Jones n/t

[Nutmegger]

92. The entire CT Dem delegation voted for this crap.

I'll be joining you in that fax... :grr::mad::grr:

[Larkspur]

105. Here's my proposed letter to my rep

Dear Rep. Courtney,

Why did you support the fascist censure motion against MoveOn.org?

What you did was vote against the First Amendment rights of every American, regardless if they supported MoveOn.org’s New York Times ad or not. You and the entire Democratic Caucus should have walked out on that vote and held a press conference on the steps of the Capital Building decrying Republicans for wasting tax payer money on grandstanding their blatant hypocrisy about ads and stabbing the troops in the back by not supporting bills that would help get the troops home as soon as possible. Congress has no business condemning a specific group for exercising its First Amendment rights. I’m surprised you did not come to the same conclusion as your colleague, Rep. Tom Allen (D-ME): “I voted against this resolution today because I believe it is the job of the Congress to bring our troops home, not legislate free speech.”

For yours and your staff’s edification I’m attaching the “14 Characteristics of Fascism” by political science professor Lawrence Britt. Characteristics #3 and #4 pertain to the censure motion you voted on. I’m also enclosing a copy of Al Franken’s op ed response (“Al Franken: Hyper (and hypo)critical” http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1445784.html or at his campaign web site http://blog.alfranken.com/2007/09/26/hyper-and-hypocritical/ ) to Sen. Norm Coleman’s attack on him for supporting MoveOn.org against the Senate Censure resolution. Al Franken framed the argument against the fascist Republican tactic the correct way. And Slowpoke’s political cartoon “Are you Petraeusly Correct?” http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/09/are_you_petraeusly_correct.html should help you ponder the stupidity of supporting the Republican sponsored censure motion, a motion only directed against MoveOn.org, not against any right wing group that attacked the patriotism of Democrats.

American History should have informed you that censure motions against the First Amendment rights of American citizens are wrong. If you read the First Amendment, the military is not exempted from Americans’ First Amendment rights. Censure motions will not stop negative attacks because what is negative to one side is truthful to another. America’s political system also thrives on attacks and counter attacks. Congress can not stop them, unless you are willing to discontinue the Constitution or remove the Bill of Rights and imprison people for free speech.

I’m not only the secretary of Killinlgy’s Democratic Town Committee; I’m also a proud member of MoveOn.org.

MoveOn members donated millions of dollars to Democratic candidates last year. You specifically received over $300,000 from MoveOn members last year. How will you handle the fascist Republican attacks when you cash our checks next year after voting to condemn us? Republicans are already attacking Democrats for taking donations from MoveOn members in 2004 and 2006. Are you ready for those attacks?

Let’s remember one thing. MoveOn.org is an activist organization. Provocative speech is the tool of all activists and the purpose of provocative speech is to get the majority of us to think outside the ruts we have burrowed into our brains. People hated the abolitionists, suffragettes, civil rights advocates because they forced the “silent” majority to face the injustices they allow to happen in their name.

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are people who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never did and it never will. Find out what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice that will be imposed upon them. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurances of those they oppress." Fredrick Douglas

The MoveOn.org ad was tame compared to what the Swiftboat Vets did to John Kerry and what the Bush Machine did to Max Cleland in 2002. By voting for this censure motion, Democrats proved that Republicans still control Congress, even though they are in the minority. When they were in power, you didn’t see Republicans sponsoring censure resolutions against the vile groups that slandered Democrats patriotism. This censure motion and how it was mishandled by the Democrats shows what is wrong with the Democratic Congressional leadership and why Congress is at 11% approval rating. Democrats are continually outflanked by the Republicans, whose public goal is to obstruct the Democrats’ agenda so that they can attack you next year by saying that the Democratic controlled Congress is a “Do Nothing” Congress. By joining with Republicans in censuring only a left wing group, you are aiding and abetting the Republican propaganda and strategy of dividing Democrats from their base.

General Petraeus’ motives are even questioned by his boss in CENTCOM. Admiral Fallon, Petraeus’s boss, called the general, after first meeting him, “an ass-kissing little chickenshit” (IPSNews: U.S.-IRAQ: Fallon Derided Petraeus, Opposed the Surge http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235
). The Admiral must have honed his colorful language during those Army-Navy football games. The reason why Admiral Fallon called General Petraeus that colorful name is because Army Generals primarily advance by “kissing up” to their superiors. The Navy Admirals expect to make enemies on their way up the promotion ladders with their decisions.

Contrary to what the fascist Right Wing pundits say about General Petraeus, the general is a willing political tool. About 6 weeks prior to the 2004 election, General Petraeus voluntarily wrote an op ed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49283-2004Sep25.html ) for the Washington Post that gave an overly optimistic view of Iraq in order to help George Bush’s reelection chances. And recently in the United Kingdom’s Independent Magazine, Iraqi officials claim that Petraeus has Presidential ambitions, not for 2008 but afterwards.

MoveOn’s provocative ad was framed as a question, not a statement, and unlike the Right wing attacks on Democrats, MoveOn.org backed up their arguments with facts. Nowhere did MoveOn.org call General Petraeus a “traitor”. It was the Republicans who claimed that MoveOn.org called the general a traitor. The MoveOn.org ad was questioning the validity of General Petraeus’ report, a report that was primarily written by the White House. Any military man who is willing to sell lies as truth is a betrayer of the public trust. As I recall from my days in history class, the Nuremburg Trials did not offer “I was following orders” as an excuse for committing or participating in war crimes. Our war against Iraq was a war crime and we are still committing crimes there today.

Please stop falling for obvious Republican traps. That is what the censure motions against MoveOn.org were. And start going on the offensive against Republican hypocrisy and obstructionism.

[Larkspur]

106. I added this paragraph a the end of the letter

If you still think that your vote for the censure motion against MoveOn.org was appropriate, will you sponsor a censure motion against Rush Limbaugh? Media Matters reports -- http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?src=item200709270010 -- that during the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members, like the seven members of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne Division who wrote an op ed, “The war as We Saw It” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?_r=1&8qa&oref=slogin , in the New York Times , who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, "phony soldiers." Surely, this defamatory label of our troops is worthy of a censure resolution like the one you voted for against MoveOn.org.

[Le Taz Hot]

101. See post #94

Just FYI, Kucinich voted "No." One more reason to vote Kucinich.

[tridim]

38. I don't give a crap what the RIght says about us..

The people in our party != The politicians in our party.

That's becoming more and more apparent every day.

[FiveGoodMen]

111. Programmer, huh?

[Fozzledick]

25. Another cowardly betrayal!

:grr:

[ProudDad]

26. WooHoo!

More money for MoveOn...

Idiots...

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[onehandle]

28. Pointless. nt

[Bragi]

33. Worth reading...

This article explains why it is that the right wing media can amplify any mistakes real or perceived made by the left, and how the left is so powerless to stop this from happening.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/092507a.html

[Cha]

34. obey is using mccarthy tactics to

condemn free speech from The Left..but what does he know?

yeah, david betrayus..real patriot..gag.

[cosmicdot]

73. thought that was a bit ironic myself

Obey "left the Republican Party during the era of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wis."

old McCarthy, meet the new McCarthy

what had attracted him to the GOP in the first place?
what did he bring with him?

[Orsino]

35. ...Successfully Avoiding Real Work. Again. n/t

[closeupready]

57. Yep. But they sure know how to put on a show.

n/t

[Coexist]

36. what. the fuck. ever.

your sorry asses will be begging a slice of the millions we donated to MoveOn soon enough. Asking them to put together ads that can't be traced back to you - when you are attacked.

[CRH]

37. Wonder if any of this was included in the resolution, for balance, ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1780931

From Major General (O8) to Full General (O10) in less than four years! Did he even stop at Lt. General. I guess with all the resignations, some with few moral reservations, rise through the ranks more quickly.

Edit: for some reason o8 with a capital O turns into a chevron, Tried to correct it.

[Justyce]

42. I liked Stephen Colbert's response to the moveon.org thing...

When talking about bush condemning it, he said something like "and don't get the president started on how mad the ad made John McCain's illegitimate black baby."

This is all such hypocritical bullshit.

[movonne]

43. The dems are saying fuck you Liberals and or progressives...we

like the way the repugs are running this country....

[ProudDad]

48. See my post #44

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3006620#3006786

[Tesha]

113. Please remember to return the favor. (NT)

[Barrett808]

46. And yet, no condemnation of the Swift Boaters' ads

Funny.

[ProudDad]

49. Ah, but that would take actual courage, not the pretend kind (n/t)

[ProudDad]

50. FYI - the no voters and abstains

Wish my congresscritter had done one or the other:

(It's interesting that while Kucinich was voting against this bullshit, hillary was voting FOR lie-berman/kyl's declaration of war against Iran)

---- NAYS 79 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Baldwin
Becerra
Berman
Blumenauer
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Castor
Clarke
Clay
Cohen
Conyers
Crowley
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Ellison
Filner
Frank (MA)
Green, Al
Grijalva <-- I just missed his district by 3 blocks!
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey <-- A great Human Being!
Hirono
Holt
Honda
Inslee
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Jones (OH)
Kilpatrick
Kucinich <-- Of course
Lee <-- My old congressperson (sob)
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Markey
Matsui
McDermott
McGovern
Meek (FL)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Nadler
Neal (MA)
Olver
Pallone
Payne
Price (NC)
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Schakowsky
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Tierney
Towns
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wynn
Yarmuth

---- NOT VOTING 12 ---

Bachus
Carson
Cubin
Cummings
Davis, Jo Ann
Gordon
Herger
Hinojosa
Jindal
Johnson, E. B.
Souder
Sutton

[closeupready]

60. My rep is on that nay list!

Yay! :)

[tomg]

77. You are so right about Hinchey.

I might be ticked that he is going for censure over impeachment, but he is truly one of the great ones. And he is my Rep.

[pfitz59]

79. My rep voted NAY! (Yeah!)

Inslee, Bainbridge Island WA, great guy!

[Vinca]

52. It boggles the mind they waste time over an ad protected by

the piece of paper FKA the Constitution when every minute of every hour of every day that passes in Iraq, our military people are being killed and maimed, innocent Iraqi civilians are being killed, maimed and displaced and there is a drumbeat for war with Iran. And our Congress stews over newspaper advertising.

[Zandor]

54. I agree with the House vote

The ad was over the top.

[EFerrari]

58. Petreous is a known lying Bush Shill. MoveOne was to gentle with him.

You can't hide your lying @ss in uniform any more than you can hide it behind our flag. The House just sold us out again.

[theredpen]

59. Compared to what?

The Swiftboating of Kerry that the Congress didn't see fit to condemn?
The smears against Max Cleland which the Congress didn't see fit to condemn?

I'm not saying that you need to change your opinion of the ad, but what was served by condemning it at this level, other than the neo-con agenda?

[Zandor]

62. Democrats in the House strongly supported the condemnation

It wasn't just neo-cons.

That said, I'd support condemnation of the things you mention as well.

[frylock]

63. and that speaks volumes about the party..

Nader was right.

[theredpen]

64. Yes, but what was served?

The Democrats may have supported it... but to what end?

If the aforementioned smears had been condemned by Congress, I'd say that this condemnation was "business as usual." But it wasn't. It was Congress getting mired in political ads. It has more important things to do.

What would elections be like if Congress weight in with a vote on which campaign ads they do and don't like? As it stands, this was just a circus, not a principled statement.

[Lasher]

95. But those other things have not been condemned by Congress.

And that's pretty much the point.

[MadHound]

96. So, you think that it is perfectly fine for both houses of Congress to put a chill on free speech?

You think that it is OK for both houses of Congress to stifle what a person or group says?

Wow, another American who is willing to give away their Constitutional rights and freedoms.

[Zhade]

108. Says the guy excusing the murder of Iraqi civilians in another thread.

Please. You have zero credibility.

[KingFlorez]

109. How was it over the top?

The only way you'd think it was over the top is if you actually support Petraeus and his tall tales.

[Ken Burch]

114. No surprise, since you hate progressives, activists, ideals, principals and hope

And you mock Martin Luther King's memory by using him as your avatar.

You aren't on our side, so why do you post here?

[OneBlueSky]

55. glad they got THAT out of the way . . . before cocktail hour, I mean . . .

:sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

56. OMFG.

These people KNOW what a sellout Betrayus is. This is unacceptable behavior for public servants.

Fuck the House, too. Cool, both the Senate and the House managed to make me nauseous on the same day. A new record.

[theredpen]

61. My Rep didn't vote.

But I'm fairly confident she would have opposed this measure. Maybe she was busy fighting for children's health care or maybe she just didn't feel like dignifying this POS resolution by voting on it.

FWIW, my rep is Eddie Bernice Johnson, TX-30 (urban Dallas).

[Ian David]

65. You know, this will come in handy when the Repukes want to run attack ads against Admiral Falon. n/t

[young_at_heart]

66. Can they condemn retroactively? The hypocrisy and unfairness boggles the mind!

That "swift boat" group really deserves to be condemned---who cares when it happened.

[roguevalley]

67. fuck the house.

[Hydra]

69. Look! Another middle finger for us! Wasn't that so thoughful?

Hey Madame Pelosi! Didn't you say something about "Showing Americans that we are capable of governing far better" than the Repubs? Is this another example of that?

[6000eliot]

70. Chickenshits.

How long are these people going to cave in to rw blowhards!

[MODemocrat]

71. Rep Obey is aparently being selective about what upsets him

I wonder if he's upset when his old party calls John Murtha, Max Cleland,or General Clark, etc, names or mis-quotes them? Hell no he's not, it's a ONE-WAY street.

At this point, I don't think I'll ever again, vote for a candidate running for congress or the senate.
They are all a bunch of wimps!!

Maybe they can get away from this petty crap and start doing something worthwhile like ending the WAR.
That's what they were elected to do, not use this as a distration. :+ :+ :mad: :mad: :argh:

[ecstatic]

72. So glad to know there's so much room on the table

Thanks, Pelosi.

:eyes: :mad: :sarcasm:

[EndElectoral]

74. wow...what has happened to my party?

[Patchuli]

76. I just got yelled at

by my Congressman (Thompson's, CA) phone answerer in his local office here. This was before I even got to voice why I was not pleased with Thompson voting on this silly horseshit. She went on and on but when I (and the other callers she'd had) were referred to as "armchair quarterbacks" I saw a little red. I stopped her, told her I am a taxpayer and a voter and have the right to inform Mr. Thompson of my opinions on his actions. I have spent many hours walking precincts for Dem candidates, registering voters, phonebanking, and other activism supporting the Democratic party. I always vote and am a member of my local Dem Club. She inferred that Thompson and the others had to do this to "win over soft Republicans and Independents" to the Dem side to stop the war. She also said that we should be happy that Mr. Thompson is fighting against the dictatorship of W.

I didn't get a chance to ask her why he didn't condemn the attack ads against John Kerry or Max Cleland.

I am about up to here with the DLC'ers in our party. They are going to be the death of this party if they don't look out. I'm thinking more seriously of re-registering independent. I just laugh when I get calls from the DCCC asking for money!

[Pachamama]

78. Disgusting...

If this is how the Democrats want to define themselves (between this and the votes on the War or on Iran), then I really have come to the conclusion that I am not a Democrat....

I'm an American and I'm disgusted with the GOP and Dems....

[Blue_Tires]

80. lol...evidently moveon didn't get enough donations from the senate resolution

moveon will be able to buy and sell congress after this little stunt...but then again, politicians are historically quite cheap to purchase

[wtmusic]

82. Finally. My rep takes a stand.

What does it take to get you to say the "i" word, Rep. Sherman?

[autorank]

84. "Condemn and ad, fund a war" n/t

And fuck them, this is getting tedious. Grow up Congress...you know what you have to do, get out, now.

In the mean time, thanks for letting people know what a rigged game this is.

The Democratic wing of the Democratic party is the minority party in both chambers. Gotta change.

Get out and vote, get people to vote, make your presence know.

[TankLV]

85. fucking spinelss vichy dems...simply DISGUSTING...

guess another hundred bucks to MoveOn is comming from me...

I might just decide to sit out the next election - and these asswipes have only THEMSELVES to blame...

just like domestic abuse...

[mvd]

86. Geez, even Sestak and Patrick Murphy voted for this

I wish I could donate $1 to MoveOn for every Yea vote here. If you can do it, I suggest it!

And how about using attachments to help end the war??

[lligrd]

88. I Condemn The House

Makes about as much sense.

[Lasher]

93. I officially express the sentiment of you and me that Congress sucks.

Except for the ones who voted against this measure.

[IndianaGreen]

90. Obey and Pelosi side with the Freepers against the American people

Petraeus is a chicken shit ass kisser, according to CENTCOM commander Admiral Fallon. He is also a liar and a political opportunist. Obey and Pelosi take Petraeus' side, while nearly 4,000 GIs have given their lives for the war for OIL.

[IndianaGreen]

91. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz voted against this travesty. She has been viciously attacked in DU

for daring to support Florida's January 29 primary, and breaking the taboo of criticizing Chairman Dean's stubborn support of Iowa being always first. Many of Chairman Dean's supporters voted to condemn MoveOn.

Way to go, Debbie!

[USA_1]

97. Why No condemnation of Bush's Lies??

If it is juvenile discussions that people hate, why not object to lies about non existent WMD and all that other shit that Bush spoke?

It is obvious that Congressional Democrats have only one major agenda and that is to rubber stamp Bush's war plans.

Now aren't you glad there is no draft??

[Solly Mack]

98. prop up the lies of Bush Inc and you condemn people to death

[Homer Wells]

102. Seems to me

that a "condemnation" by anyone, Repug or Dem, in this current corrupt government, should be worn as a badge of honor!!!
Free speech is FREE SPEECH!!!! Commentary by those who do not follow in lock-step with the "OFFICIAL" government line should NOT be "CONDEMNED" by that government!!

:spank: :nuke:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

103. And once again, the Democrats have caved in to the tantrums of the

Republican bullies.

If they can't even turn the tables on the Republicanites on this little issue and make them look like the crybabies they are, what good are they?

[bdamomma]

104. why don't they concentrate on getting true criminals in the WH

and end this stupid invasion instead of focusing on Move On. They do not support free speech or us, we need to call our Reps and tell them how insulting they are to American voters. Just telling us to shut up, no it doesn't work like that.

[Zhade]

107. Cowards. Giving in to the rightwing lies about it, like too many here.

Fucking pathetic, the cowardice people keep showing under duress.

[olddad56]

110. The House actually got something done. Incredible.

[Exultant Democracy]

112. They are beneath contempt.