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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:40 PM
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U.S. congressman contrite after Colombian faux pas (Dreier)
Source: Reuters



BOGOTA (Reuters) - A U.S. congressman said on Thursday he meant no offense when he hoisted himself onto the lectern of Colombia's lower house to address his Andean colleagues, some of whom were offended or simply amused by the faux pas.

Colombian newspapers carried pictures of Rep. David Dreier, a California Republican, sitting on top of the wooden podium and talking with local legislators on Tuesday while on an official visit.

Some in the photographs are seen smiling at Dreier while others avert their eyes uncomfortably. He was criticized in the press for showing a lack of respect.

"I have the highest regard for the Congress of Colombia," Dreier told reporters in Bogota. "I meant absolutely no offense ... I simply wanted to demonstrate my warm feeling and affection."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3042486720070830?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:42 PM
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1. He might just be jumpy as of late due to...
...the recent "outings" of anti-gay, gay republicans (and he KNOWS it's only a matter of time before he's outed).
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:52 PM
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5. I thought he was pretty moderate on gay issues?
Though everybody knows he is gay.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:21 PM
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12. Dreier, moderate?
No way, no how. He's not in a moderate in any sense of the word. Having lived in his district for 13 years, I know only that he is an asshole without redemption of any kind.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:52 AM
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25. Everybody does know he's gay, but he votes against gays every time.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:14 PM
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11. One of the gay national orgs
outed him about a year and a half ago, IIRC. He's one of the biggest sleazebags I've ever had the misfortune of knowing.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:43 PM
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2. well, now. what if a russian or swedish or any other country would have done that in the HOUSE
or Senate in the US. geesh!!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:47 PM
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3. He Dreier has shown them the high regard with which the Republican Party holds all of Latin America.
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 02:12 PM by Judi Lynn
They are, after all, not as white as good ol' boys. Why worry what "they" think? They're there to serve Republicans, let's face it.

He's spreading around that casual, informal, lovable Bush phony friendliness we've all learned is shallow, and insulting beyond words.

He has his butt where everyone else places papers and notes while speaking. Creepy idea.

What's additionally wierd about this whole thing is that he claims he was just trying to "demonstrate my warm feeling and affection." He is anything BUT a warm, affectionate man. He is wired, tense, snotty. How ODD!

I guess he WOULD have warm, affectionate feelings for a right-wing, fascist government the U.S. right-wing idiot Republicans control.

On edit:

Maybe he's thinking of trying to get a night-club act together!



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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:38 PM
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16. If he was warm and friendly, no one would probably have noticed a thing
When a warm and friendly person gets a bit too warm and friendly, people just shrug it off. When a snooty person breaks protocol, this type of uproar can be expected.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:52 PM
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19. Surely! He's "talking down" to them, acting as if he believes they'd be a lot more comfortable
if things seemed far less formal, and HE'S the one who determines what's formal or not, in THEIR own Assembly chambers.

Who on earth, when looking right at a microphone, at face level, would haul his withered haunches up and spread his worn old butt all over a podium, inches from where a person's face would be? Who knows where that butt has BEEN?



It was an unbelievably rude impulse: showed that, down deep, he has no couth at all.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:51 PM
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4. How is this insulting?
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 01:51 PM by Bleachers7
I don't get it.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:55 PM
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8. You don't climb on the furniture of your guests...
It's considered gauche
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:56 PM
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9. You sit in chairs, and you stand on floors and platforms.
You don't squat, or sprawl on a place where everyone stands respectfully in every possible case.

Do you want to see Bush delivering a State of the Union address lying on his side on a stage?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:36 PM
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15. it's their house not their lecture hall or living room. Can you imagine a foreign
legislator coming to visit the US house and doing the same thing?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:51 AM
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26. I imagine it's because...
I imagine it's because when one is in front of a number of any number of state dignitaries, it becomes incumbent upon us to maintain dignity and respect.

Much as if I was invited to speak in front of the Senate, and wore flip-flops, a ripped-up t-shirt, and sat cross legged on the podium.

I see that as the height of bad form... but that may only be me.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:53 PM
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6. C'mon, Colombians, lighten up! Wouldn't you want to have a cerveza with him?
:eyes:

Like his President, he's lacks taste or refinement...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:54 PM
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7. It's not as if he's familiar with points of parliamentary procedure, legislative decorum, etc.
Did they spray him with a water bottle and yell, "Off! Bad Congressman!"

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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 04:10 PM
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21. ha ha ha ha ha
"off bad congressman" LOL
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:59 PM
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10. HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BIG DOG CATCHER
HE IS A SHILL FOR THE BORED UGIN CRAZIES
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:33 PM
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13. Those damn republicans, you can't take 'em anywhere.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:34 PM
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14. "I simply wanted to demonstrate my warm feeling and affection."
Hasn't this gotten enough Republicans in trouble lately?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:42 PM
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17. I know this guy's "tell"..every time he lies he winks his left eye...
of course that is when his is not opening it!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:49 PM
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18. more of that famous ''adult'' behavior from the republick party!!!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:48 PM
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20. How is it one man can have so much class? One party, for that matter?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 04:32 PM
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22. Arrogance personified.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:29 PM
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23. AP: US congressman in hot seat in Colombia after diplomatic blunder
US congressman in hot seat in Colombia after diplomatic blunder
The Associated Press
Published: August 30, 2007

BOGOTA, Colombia: A U.S. congressman tried to wiggle his way out of the hot seat on Thursday, expressing contrition for his lack of decorum during an appearance before Colombia's congress.

Rep. David Dreier, a Republican from Los Angeles, sparked amusement and some outrage among his Colombian counterparts on Tuesday when he sat casually atop a lectern while addressing lawmakers in the lower house of congress.

In a news conference, Dreier blamed the gesture on confusion about where he was supposed to sit.
(snip)

Sen. Luis Elmer Arenas, an ally of Colombia's pro-Washington president, Alvaro Uribe, said the faux pas was worse than spitting on the Colombian flag.

"It would be as if we went to meet with (U.S. President) George Bush and sat down on his desk," Arenas told The Associated Press. "It worries me that the Colombian congress just accepts what this American congressman did."
(snip/...)

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/30/america/LA-GEN-Colombia-US-Congressman.php
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:34 PM
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24. Imagine Harry Reid or Dick Durbin suddenly plopping their butts down on top
of the President's desk on the Senate floor. Jeeesus, what was he thinking?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:41 PM
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27. Oh, I think there is a whole lot going on beneath and behind this hot little scandal, I think.
Context:

The Uribe government has been hit with a huge scandal, involving very close ties between the government and rightwing paramilitary death squads--including the chief of the military, the former head of intelligence and many Uribe office holders (probably including some sitting right there in the congress)--with the paramilitaries involved in chainsawing union leaders and throwing their body parts into mass graves, torture and murder, and big drug trafficking, and--not incidentally--a plot to assassinate Hugo Chavez and possibly other leftist leaders in neighboring countries (Bolivia, Ecuador) and destabilizing their countries for rightwing military takeovers.

Some of this horror and corruption has been raised in the U.S. Congress, by some of our better Democrats, to try to stop or limit military aid to Colombia. Bush has been larding Colombia with billions of our tax dollars, for the phony and failed "war on drugs." And you can just imagine how corrupt this is, with Bushites in charge. U.S. corporate interests are also very much involved (for instance, Chiquita Banana, who has been making big payments to the hit squads, supposedly for protection from leftwing guerrillas, but really to prevent labor organization). And many war profiteers--including Blackwater. This is where Latin Americans are trained and recruited as mercenaries for Iraq (Latin American mercenaries are cheaper, and receive, shall we call it, "pre-training" in torture and oppression). (Ah, me.)

MEANWHILE, yesterday, Hugo Chavez visited Colombia in an effort to free some hostages held by the leftwing guerrillas. He is pardoning a bunch of rightwing paramilitary death squadders who were involved in a plot against HIM. And now it gets really interesting. I picked up--in my widespread reading about Latin American politics--that Uribe had felt obliged to distance himself from the plots against Chavez, and that he refused orders from the Bush Junta on this matter (my wording--that was the gist of it). I'd also picked up that the opposition rightwing candidate in Venezuela, running against Chavez in the Dec '06 election, had publicly disavowed a rightwing plot to promulgate false polls (USAID/NED? the Einstein institute? James Carvelle?), the day after the election, claiming the election was stolen, as trigger for another rightwing military coup attempt in Venezuela. (Chavez won the election with 63% of the vote, his biggest win yet--in a highly monitored, transparent voting system). THEN, in March '07, when Bush went on a "tour" of Latin America, I was astonished to read that he got publicly lectured, from Brazil to Mexico, on the SOVEREIGNTY of Latin American countries, and the rightwing president of Mexico (Calderon) even mentioned Venezuela as an example. Really, this was amazing. I was so surprised. What was going on?

Oh, and one more thing. After Chavez made his "smell of sulfur" remark at the UN (that Bush is "el diablo")--which got smiles and applause at the UN, but gave the Bush State Dept. heartburn--Latin American leaders were told that they must distance themselves from Chavez and Venezuela. This was also around the time of the '06 election. And guess what their response was? Argentina's president Nestor Kirchner said, "But he's my brother." Ecuador's leftist presidential candidate, Rafael Correa (who won the election with 60% of the vote) laughed and said that it was "an insult to the devil." (--his polls shot up). And Lula da Silva, the former steelworker president of Brazil, made a point to visit Chavez and Venezuela, for the opening of the Orinoco Bridge, two weeks before the election. Another thing that occurred is that Uruguay's president Vasquez turned down Bush's proffered "free trade" deal--a major defeat for Bush, who was desperately trying to "divide and conquer" to prevent development of South American FAIR trade agreements within the region (--a movement toward a South American "common market," led, of course by Chavez and Venezuela). News came also that the rightwing government of Paraguay had joined the Bank of the South (--another Venezuelan project, to elbow the World Bank/IMF loan sharks and global corporate predators out of the region).

What we were seeing here is Bush lose, lose and LOSE, time and again. He couldn't deliver for his corporate predator pals. He couldn't even keep Uribe on board for assassinating Chavez. The whole of Latin America--even the rightwing governments--are seeing the advantages of Latin American SELF-DETERMINATION, one of the key goals of the Bolivarian Revolution, of which Chavez is the most well-known--but by no means the only--spokesman and leader. Further, the combined goals of social justice and Latin American self-determination are enormously popular throughout the continent, and are a peaceful, democratic, grass roots-driven revolution. There are many, many leaders--union leaders, indigenous leaders, human rights and environmental activists and groups, community organizers, as well as artists and intellectuals, helped also by the professionals and bureaucrats of the OAS, the Carter Center and other groups working on transparent elections and democratic institutions. People like Uribe are seeing the "handwriting on the wall." This is an unstoppable movement, and George W. Bush is therefore persona non grata, throughout South and Central America, for his junta has been trying, by every nefarious means, to overturn the will of vast majority of Latin Americans, achieved through great suffering and grief, by peaceful and democratic means.

Who knows where Rep. David Dreier, California Republican, fits into this story? He is more than likely a conduit--or wants to be a conduit--for corrupt "war on drugs" money. But it is interesting that the Uribe people were the first to take offense at his faux pas. Perhaps they are trying to cozy up to the Democrats, who will likely take the White House and sweep Congress next year (let's hope with not too many "Blue Dog" traitor Dems). Money will have to come from them. Or perhaps they're all just fed up and sick unto death of the Bushites. Not every rightwinger is a death squadder, and many may have a certain pride in their culture, a feeling of solidarity with other Latin Americans, and may find the notion of self-determination attractive. The leftist guerillas in Colombia (and also in Guatemala) have become a small and not very important force in Latin America. The future lay in the social justice movement, in electoral politics and in the left (the majority) TAKING POWER, and running governments--as they are in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, and Nicaragua, and soon will be in Paraguay, and possibly also in Guatemala (and a bit later in Peru and in Mexico, where the leftist came within a hairsbreadth--0.05%--of winning the presidency last year). None of these governments has shown the slightest tendency to oppress the rightwing. They are all aiming at mixed socialist/capitalist economies. They are not confiscating property. They are not forcing anything on anyone. They are simply winning elections--and they have a passionate commitment to constitutional government and the rule of law. They are making none of the mistakes of the Russian revolution, for instance. So there is NOTHING for the rightwing to be afraid of, except a fairer, most just, safer society that everyone shares in, and less opportunity to accumulate ungodly and unfair wealth. The greedy are unhappy. But they are still alive, free to organize (lawfully), free to run for office, free to vote, free to speak, and they still have--and will continue to have--great wealth in comparison to others. The Bushite plotters have made them look bad--very bad. People have been enticed into evil schemes maybe who otherwise would not have been--if Bush largesse and rotten ideas on gaining illegitimate power hadn't been available.

Anyway, this odd little incident with Dreier may be a reflection of Latin American rejection of Bushite crudity, and of the continent pulling together for their own well-being. I very much hope that this is true--for the good people in countries like Colombia, whom I'm sure are the majority.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:51 PM
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28. Closeted homosexual and anti-gay congressman, David Dreier...
does not want any publicity right now with his fellow-hypocrite, Larry Craig, being drummed out of office.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 09:55 AM
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29. Much better photo published today in the Washington Post.....


Unbelievable!

There was no new information, but the photo is priceless.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090401928.html
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:52 PM
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31. Man-o-man...
Check out those gin blossoms! :crazy: Give the guy a break! He was just following *fearless leader, ya know, gettin' all down home and cozy with the "little brown ones."
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 10:51 AM
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30. And this is the bloke that Tony Blair's son went to work for!
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:44 PM
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32. A Republican in Columbia? What was he there to steal?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 07:15 PM
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33. There is a lot of oil in Colombia, and a HUGE draw is cheap, cheap labor
for American-based multinationals to exploit, companies like Coca-Cola, Chiquita Banana (formerly United Fruit all over Latin America), Nestle, Drummond Coal Company, etc. These companies have employed right-wing paramilitaries which help them keep down the labor costs by killing union organizers.

Here's info. on a recent case concerning the Alabama-based Drummond Coal Company which pulled up its operation at over 10 sites in Alabama, and moved the whole mining operation to Colombia, where it doesn't have an environmental restraints, doesn't have to worry about insurance for employees, or employee rights, apparently, and getting away with it. By the way, after putting all those miners in Alabama out of work, Drummond is thumbing its nose at its host state by importing the Colombian Coal to provide electricity to them all. Nice touch, isn't it?
COLOMBIA: Suing Multinationals Over Murder

by Ken Stier, TIME Magazine
August 1st, 2007

Organized labor often complains of its treatment at the hands of corporate America, but its accusations pale in comparison to those made recently by the widows of Colombian mine workers in an Alabama courtroom. During a two-week trial, a Birmingham jury weighed charges that the local Drummond Coal Company bore responsibility for the murders of three union leaders who represented workers at its Colombian mine - the world's largest open pit mine. The widows lost their suit last week. But the case, and issues at the heart of it, are far from resolved: an appeal is all but certain, and the courts will surely hear more lawsuits trying to use a once obscure, colonial-era law to hold U.S. companies liable for human rights abuses committed abroad.

The known facts of the Drummond case as outlined in the complaint are disturbing enough. For months union leaders pleaded with company executives for more security against lawless right-wing paramilitaries operating in the northern Cesar province, where the 25,000-acre mine - from which Drummond exports 25 million tons of coal a year, with an estimated value of $700 million - is located. One key request that was refused was to allow workers to sleep on the premises. Once outside company property, miners were vulnerable to the paramilitaries, who are believed responsible for most of the 900 extra-judicial killings taking place every year in the country's continuing, decades-long civil war. And just as Drummond's local union chapter was involved in heated negotiations over wages and and compensation for workers killed in a mining accident, pamphlets appeared on Drummond property denouncing the union as a "guerrilla union" - regarded by the workers as a virtual death sentence to its leaders.

On March 12, 2001, as company buses ferried miners to the nearby village where they were staying, waiting paramilitaries stopped the bus carrying union president Valmore Lacarno and vice president Victor Orcasita. They boarded the bus, Lacarno was taken off and promptly shot in the head in full view of fellow miners. Orcasita was bundled off, reappearing hours later with a lacerated chest, smashed teeth and a bullet in his brain. The next miner to step forward as leader, Gustavo Soler, met a similar fate several months later.

It was a harrowing tale, but the jury did not think there was sufficient evidence linking Drummond with the murders. The plaintiffs concede this was "understandable" but only because the jury was not able to hear the testimony of four key witnesses. Two of them, Rafael Garcia and Alberto Visbal, a former paramilitary himself, claim to have attended a meeting at which they saw money passed from the president of Drummond's local subsidiary to a representative of paramilitary commanders for monthly "taxes," or to pay for the assassinations, a charge that Drummond has vehemently denied. Of course, nothing is that simple in Colombia; one of the witnesses, Garcia, a former IT director in Colombia's version of the FBI, currently is serving a 24-year prison term for erasing data on drug traffickers.

Still, "if any of the four witnesses Judge Karon Bowdre excluded would have been allowed to testify, the jury would have had the missing link," insists Terry Collingsworth, of the D.C-based International Labor Rights Fund, which helped bring the case and several other similar cases against other major companies.
(snip/...)
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14614

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The U.S. also has "advisors" and military stationed in Colombia, and some people guarding the oil pipelines. You may remember in the last couple of years, a story about a high-ranking American officer's wife getting caught mailing some cocaine to her friends back in the States, and also about American service men trafficking in weapons down there.

It's very possible Bush is going to take advantage of an offer made by the Colombian President Uribe of a military base to be stationed on the Colombia/Venezuela border.
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