White House admits Bush lied about Iraqi nukes

[Dirty Hippie]

An intelligence consultant who was present at two White House briefings where the uranium report was discussed confirmed that the President was told the intelligence was questionable and that his national security advisors urged him not to include the claim in his State of the Union address.

"The report had already been discredited," said Terrance J. Wilkinson, a CIA advisor present at two White House briefings. "This point was clearly made when the President was in the room during at least two of the briefings."

Bush's response was anger, Wilkinson said.

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

On edit link:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

[Robin Hood]

1. SMoking gun if i ever saw one.

Now we know what Bush knew and when e knew it. And the fact that he lied to the world and thousands of people have died because of it.

Not only Bush either, the whole Admin.

[caledesi]

15. LG - Oh happy day!

Now how are these thugs going to BS their way out of this one? Lie more. We want an investigaton Senator Warner!

[Robin Hood]

25. I hope that they do lie more.

At this point they are so used to it that they don't know any other way. Condi baby lied a month ago on Meet the press."If there was a contradictory report then it must have been buried in the bowels of the CIA. And the whole time that she was answering this, she was real jittery and nervous, because she was throwing her self on the sword for king George.

Oh happy day indeed.

[Outvoicer]

43. they will BS their way out of ...

they always do, with the help of a very complicit media which already is refusing to give this the tone of scandal it deserves.

[chemenger]

103. Not to mention the Republican-Controlled

House and Senate.

Investigation? Impeachment? Fageddabowdet!

[indepat]

91. How long will it take the mainstream media to accept that justifications

for pre-emptive war were most likely made in order to have an excuse to implement the longstanding plan and vision (PNAC) of many of this Administration's top military/defense advisors/planners? This ain't rocket science, folks. How long will it be before the mainstream media tell the people the whole story so they can make their own judgment about their elected officials?

[grasswire]

107. the story was retracted

see below

[plurality]

2. you gotta be shittin' me!

The HAS to get played in the major media, we need to flood their inboxes and phones with this shit! NO WAY this gets shoved under the rug.

[jono]

8. I saw it on the crawl

on ABC this morning. Here's hoping others pick it up soon!

[Caution]

3. YES! FINALLY!

Looks like the truth shall set us free! There is no way this can be ignored.

[Lorien]

9. I'm not holding my breath

the whore press will just say that * was mislead by other "inside sources", and move along to another missing child, more conjoined twins, divorcing celebrities or some other diversion. I wish I had hope that this would really develop into something, but plenty of 'smoking guns" have been swept under the rug since * stole the office.

[BiggJawn]

79. That's right, "Not Chimpy's Fault"....

He got bogus info, he was mis-lead, he heard something wrong, he's dyslexic and mis-read the report, yada, yada, yada...

And the Murkan Sheeple won't give a rat's ass because it didn't involve a cum-stained blue dress....

[Rhiannon12866]

95. You've nailed it exactly

That's what's going to happen as long as the American media refuse to stand up to this lying administration. I just don't know how these people get up and go to work everyday. What's the point?! I'm assuming that they went into journalism with some kind of enthusiasm for finding and reporting the truth. How can they stomach repeating lie after lie? And if we know the truth, these so-called ``experts,'' who are paid to know exactly what's going on, certainly must. I would love to see these warmongers called on their lies, but the evidence is so overwhelming, and still nothing's happened, so I have little hope.:grr:

btw, I really like your avatar and sig.:-)

[spotbird]

63. Yes there is.

Most of what is being treated as news now was available to the media before the war. If the WH stonewalls this will die also.

[librechik]

4. thanks for the story

I'm pitching it like crazy--for some reason they want to wait to cover it until it's more developed!

ON IT!

[WhataBildeberger]

5. allow me to add

WOOHOO!!!

Any botanists know how hard it is to transplant a shrub to Federal prison?

[Champion Jack]

6. kickin this one

[Adamocrat]

7. Wow!

I really hope this story has legs. I'm sending it to everyone I know.

-A

[study_war_no_more]

10. thats show business

You think he was pissed then wait till he hears this.x( :bounce: :mad:

[Paschall]

11. The next question is...

"He said he knew the story was true..."

How did he know?

[Dirty Hippie]

17. God probably told him.

.

[Rhiannon12866]

96. LOL!

It's true, he could probably say this and get away with it. I was just saying to my friend that if anybody else said that ``God told them'' to do something, they would most likely be locked up and put on anti-psychotic medication! How does he get away with it?!:grr:

[petersjo]

12. Calling our senators and congressmen???

I'd say we should all be calling our respective senators and representatives to give them this link and insist that they must no longer bury their heads in the sand. If Clinton lying about his sex life qualified for impeachment, what does this sort of lying qualify for? Prison? I hope so.

jp

[htuttle]

13. We now know what he knew, and when he knew it

He has been caught completely bare-assed in a lie that started an illegal war, destablized a critically important region, alienated our oldest allies, and will ultimately sink our economy.

NOTE TO DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES: Your reaction to these revelations will be worth 50% of your final grade.

[Demobrat]

14. I think the thread title is a little misleading.

Reading the article, it doesn't sound like the WH has admitted Jack. I hope this Wilkinson guy doesn't get Baxtered.

[Caution]

26. Look closer...

This article clearly states that Bush was told in advance that this information was not credible and should not be included in the State of the Union by his own advisors and intelligence analysts. He personally chose to ignore this and included it anyway. He knew there was no proof and went ahead anyway. He lied to the people of the United States about an unprovoked attack on a foreign government and initiated a war of aggression against them.

Edit to correct myself. I misread your post and assumed you were taking issue with the "lie" characterization. You were clearly taking issue with the characterization that it was the White House itself which made this release. Good point.

[umcwb]

101. The title of the article is not "WH admits Bush Lied About Iraqi Nuke

its "White House admits Bush wrong about Iraqi nukes". By no means am I sticking up for Chimpy, just trying to be exact.

[aquart]

16. Oooo! Georgie has a secret source!

We must, WE MUST subpoena Georgie to find out how he knew what the CIA didn't.

Wow. Do you think God told him?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. google "Pentagon Office of Special Plans"

this is the intell agency Bush* created because he didn't like CIA report stating "no iraqi nukes or WMDs"...so he created an intel agency that would fabricate what he wanted...i shit you not!

[gottaB]

48. OSP

Now I had the impression that the Office of Special Plans was Rummy's baby and it is what became of the Office of Strategic Information after that blew up over that whole "Yeah, we're going to lie to the press, who cares?" episode. You got specific links?

Some of mine:

osp
Leo Strass
osp

I've got more Straussian links, but it's too crazy effing paranoid to post here. I mean I can barely wrap my mind around how messed up twisted insane this government is, much less ask others to delve into it.

On the Office of Strategic Info, here's the FAIR Coverage, with links to revealing centcom transcripts.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

52. gottaB ...i hear ya...having the same problem here...

trying to wrap this brain around the insanity of bushco*

thanks for the links...:crazy:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. OPS links

www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ ny-wocia043315966jun04,0,3888552.story?coll=ny-worldnews-print

http://www.subliminalnews.com/archives/000063.php
www.veteransforpeace.org/Straw_Powell_053103.htm
thisisnotablog.net/archives/000088.html

[gottaB]

78. thanks, more links here on Leo Strauss

I got a message from a DUer whose profile isn't available. He asked for links to the cult around Leo Strauss. The following links come with some provisos. I cannot vouch for the sources. Some of the coverage has come from anti-Semitic groups, like LaRouchies, although the story has been followed up independently. I do not endorse and will not answer for any racist or bigotted asuumptions, conclusions or opinions that you may run across by following these links. I present these tidbits out of a compelling interest to learn about the way influential people in our governent are thinking. That is all.

• the cabal If that link doesn't work, try something like "neo-conservative ascendancy" in the search pane. Al Khazen's article makes heavy use of Hersch's story, but has additional perspective and material. Al Hayat also has detailed bios of neocons.
  
  
• Leo Strauss A good followup to Hersh's story that uses author Shadia Drury as a source. The focus is intellectual, with the aim of assessing how Strauss's teachings influence the neocons.

  Drury suggests it is ironic, but not inconsistent with Strauss' ideas about the necessity for elites to deceive their citizens, that the Bush administration defends its anti-terrorist campaign by resorting to idealistic rhetoric. "They really have no use for liberalism and democracy, but they're conquering the world in the name of liberalism and democracy," she said.

  The links in the story are worth reading too. Follow them to the "Theatrical Militarism" piece for a wonky good time.
  
  
• leo strauss
  
  
• Struassian homepage Struassian homepage. Check the forums. They seem genuinely perplexed by all the fuss.
  
  
• "synarchism" Larouchies :evilfrown:
  
  
• leo strauss
  
  
• Revelation as political philosophyFrom Claremont Institute, not a happy bunch. If you can connect the dots here, please do yourself a favor, eat some ice cream, enjoy the sun, and be glad these psychotic mofos haven't got your number--yet.
  
  
• Philosopher Kings Gary Leupp's essay for Counterpunch. Good distillation, extremely biased of course, but not in a bad way.
  
  
• neocons:tinfoilhat:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

[TeeYiYi]

85. Wow GottaB . . . your research has me intrigued . . .

. . . I'm bookmarking this thread for the links. Thanks. :hi:

TYY

[jus_the_facts]

18. Yeah yeah blah blah blah.....

....the MEDIA will protect their asses like they always do.....

I'll not get my hopes up in the slightest over a goddamn thing that proves them for what they are...has it made one bit of difference YET...HELL F'ING NO....niether will any of this either....yeah I'm bitterly hopeless and cynical....and with my power of accurate observation...just can't see why these revelations of his guilt makes anyone think it'll make a damn bit of difference...hasn't yet...

[NickDanger]

19. Post this on Free Republic, someone with posting privs there

eom

[NickDanger]

38. Freepers responses

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942434/posts

[shanti]

56. hahahaha!

the freepers are busting arteries trying to spin this story! they are apoplectic!

[study_war_no_more]

93. clintonista's ??

heheh I prefer the term alternative American.

[Rhiannon12866]

97. Why did you make me look at that?

No, it's my own fault. I already know what these benighted apologists are going to say whenever look at that site and I already know that I'm going to feel angry and sick to my stomach. When will I ever learn?!:shrug:

[leftchick]

20. Holy Shiite!!! The L word is in the headline!!

hot damn!! This is the first time I have seen it called what it
is...a f***ing LIE!!! Now, lets see if any tv whores have the
cojones to use it tonight on the evening news shows.

[DemoTex]

21. "Bush's response was anger, Wilkinson said."

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

How did Bu$h know the story was true? GOD TOLD HIM SO! That is the only way!

:scared:

[Cheswick2.0]

61. just like he knew he "won" florida

POS

[Carl21014]

22. Anyone have another source?

I know the first words out of my republican friends will be, "Capitol Hill Blue?"

[Rich Hunt]

24. We DO need another source

What exactly is the perspective of this "Capitol Hill Blue" site? I saw a whole lot of Clinton-smear stuff on it.

[diplomats]

33. That was my thought when I saw it was Capitol Hill Blue

I know they have anti-Clinton stuff but I think they may be more anti-government than anything else. I'd like to see this from another source.

[Rich Hunt]

42. "life, liberty and property"

"Life, liberty and property" (property, as opposed to "the pursuit of happiness") is a libertarian mantra. I think their stance with regard to the Congress is a little hysterical, too.

[FubarFly]

58. It's a libertarian site.

Which means they harrangued Clinton, and hate the dems, but absolutely loathe the neo-cons.

[drool_n_yank]

70. WASH POST

I heard this story this morning on Wbai/Democracy Now NYC 9:OO AM surprised is getting here so late.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23777-2003Jul7.html?nav=hptop_tb

[Rose Siding]

73. That one's up- This goes beyond it

This has Wilkinson saying Bush KNEW the intel was bad and asked for more. This connects directly to Bush lying. It's different. The Post article just says they know its bad now, but didn't then.

[Redbear]

27. My thoughts exactly.

that and "Who is Terrance Wilkinson?"

[Eddie Current]

66. good question

someone over at www.dailykos.com is already doing a lot of googling on that name and not coming up with much.

other posters who seem to be familier with capitalblues pretty much disregard it.

I'm not getting my hopes up any.

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. Yeah right...

.... You mean the type of Repukes who think FAUX, Newshax, Drudge, and Mush Limpdick are the only "legitimate" news sources?

[Carl21014]

Those types exactly

We need Reuters, AP, something like that.

[Dirty Hippie]

29. I googled Google News

for "Terrance J. Wilkinson" before I posted and got nothing. Somebody should email Will Pitt and suggest that he interview this guy.

On Edit spellin'

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. google "Pentagon Office of Special Plans"...agency bush created to lie for

[Stephanie]

34. I don't know if this source is reliable

Has anyone else interviewed this guy?

[lfairban]

45. There doesn't seem to be much on this on Google.

I found a couple things searching on "Bush lied":

Stonewalling poses an even greater threat to our principles of government. It matters whether the president lied to the American people. Political fibs are common, not just about with whom presidents have had sex, but also to advance foreign-policy goals. Remember the Tonkin Gulf incident, inaccurate claims of Iraqi troop movements against Saudi Arabia before the first Gulf War, and repetition of false atrocity claims from ethnic Albanian guerrillas during the Kosovo war.

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/opinions/story/937159p-6541204c.html

-- We were told by Bush that there were WMDs in Iraq and that we could not wait until we were nuclear cinders to act; we had to invade and declare war. And we did, based on his "truths." If a person lies in court, nothing else the person says can ever be taken for the truth. Bush lied and Americans died, and continue to die, and he continues to lie. Impeach Bush now.

http://www.helenair.com/articles/2003/07/07/opinions_top/a04070703_01.txt

{on edit}

These operations, I remind you, took place in our name. It was for the safety of the world that Bush and Blair went to war on Iraq, so they say, and that is you and me. And if killings and cock-ups are committed in our name, then we want to know about it. The reason we are told nothing, or lied to with blatant contempt, is that the operations were bungled, therefore they don't want us to know about them.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley07082003.html

[NickDanger]

71. Here's what the source has to say about Wilkinson

(On Edit--the link is bad and can't seem to get it to work. Go to Capital Hill Blue and go to the third page of the relevant Reader Rant)

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000700;p=3#000061

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who bases his research on Google. I've known Terry Wilkinson for 20+ years and his decision to go public was a painful one that I'm sure will bring recriminations. But he loves his country a lot more than any political party or politician. I've received some emails today regarding his comments and have forwarded them on to him. It's his decision as to whether or not he wishes to respond.

But I don't feed anyone's desire for a witch hunt. When we ran the stories about Bill Clinton's sexual assaults on women, we identified a number of the women. I don't recall anyone at Free Republican demanding "proof" of their identity although I did have a number of liberal media types hounding me for more information.

I didn't pander to them and I won't to anyone else. I stand by the stories that run on our web site. You are free to read them or not read them, believe them or not believe them. It's a free world. We've been on the web since 1994 and we will be here 10 years from now.

[Trajan]

23. Though I would take issue with the TITLE used .....

I.E. "White House admits Bush Lied about WMD" ....

Aparently, the source is a person who sat in two meetings, which makes him a WITNESS, but not the "White House" ....

The WITNESS admits this, not the administration itself ....

Nevertheless: ... THIS is a BOMBSHELL ! ...... combined with Joe Wilson's reports and the reports of VARIOUS sources in the CIA/DIA universe itself: ... Bush/Cheney's goose COULD be cooked ....

The State of the Union is a constitutional requirement ....

US Constitution: Article 3; Section 2:

"Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient ... "

An officer of government cannot KNOWINGLY provide false evidence to congress, can they ???? .... isnt that perjury ????? ...

Wow ...... Lets compare the GRAVITY of this iniquity, to a soiled blue dress ........

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. i can smell the burnt powder from here

:bounce:

[jobycom]

31. Bush wasn't touched by the memo fiasco, this won't even ruffle his hair

Remember when Bush had to admit he had a memo warning him that someone was about to hijack a plane, and Condi admitted Bush probably never even read the memo? No one cared. No one's watching. When a story falls on the media and there is no Democrat to blame, it makes no sound.

[LeftHander]

35. Who is Wilkinson?

I googled his name and came up blank...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. "Pentagon Offiuce of Special Plans" ...bush created agency because didn't

like CIA reports on WMDs and need fabrications ...check the dates this office was created

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. "Pentagon Offiuce of Special Plans" ...bush created agency because didn't

like CIA reports on WMDs and need fabrications ...check the dates this office was created

google "pentagon Office of Special Plans"....smoking gun!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. "Pentagon Office of Special Plans" bush created agency because he didn't

like CIA reports on WMDs and need fabrications ...check the dates this office was created

google "Pentagon Office of Special Plans"....smoking gun!

[underpants]

83. You can't repeat that enough !!!!! THE OSP!!!!!!!! THAT is the smoking gun

Exactly. They couldn't get anyone to back up the policy they had decided on years ago (though they did keep quiet as told SEE Dana Milbank NYT article after W's Oct.~5, 2002 speech in Cinci)

SO THEY CREATED THEIR OWN AGENCY TO "SUPPORT" THE DECISION THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE!

SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS.

Rummy organized it and Wolfowitz ran it with current and former Congressional staffers (the more times something is stamped the more official it looks) and they relied completely on immigrant and exhiled IRaqi's many via Chalabi.

[Room101]

37. Who else has reported this?

?

[proud patriot]

44. I'm overwhelmed with emotion

mostly I'm so pissed off right now ...I just asked my seven
year old to read that headline ..He got the look of Fury ..
My son said "he must pay" ...I told him I will work very hard
to see that justice be served and we Impeach him ..

I'm crying ...Why wouldn't they listen to us ?
How many lives will be lost over this lie , to lead
an agressive war .

I'm calling the white house today ...

[Eloriel]

57. Letters to the editor, letters to the editor!

That will help get the thing more coverage, too.

Eloriel

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. name is WILSON not wilkinson...google wilson niger yellowcake WMDs

you will get plenty of site and sources to the story

www.americanpolitics.com/punditpap.html

www.veteransforpeace.org/Bush_blair_lie_042003.htm

www.islam-online.net/English/News/ 2003-07/06/article07.shtml

www.redonion.blogspot.com

Op-Ed page of The New York Times on Sunday by Joseph C. Wilson 4th, a former ambassador who was sent to Niger, in West Africa, last year to investigate reports of the attempted purchase. He reported back that the intelligence was likely fraudulent, a warning that White House officials say never reached them

[LeftHander]

47. Nope different guy....

Charles Wilson and Terrance J. Wilkinson.....

you are mixing two separate stories about related info

WHo is this CIA consultant....???

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. opps...correct...related stories different guys

[Dirty Hippie]

51. I've emailed Capitol Hill Blue

and asked them who this guy is. If I get a response, I'll share.

[Rose Siding]

53. Wilkinson is different

Wilson had no way of being certain that his information was conveyed to the WH.

Wilkinson is saying he was present when it was discussed and even relates Bush's unbelievably damning response.

[Rich Hunt]

60. that guy??

I read this story already - two different names :

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15270

The Niger guy is Joseph Wilson.

So what is up with these Capitol Hill Blue people? I'm still not sure of them.

[Caution]

50. Anyone heard of Wilkinson before?

I can't find any info on this guy on the Internet and no other confirmation of this story. Early yet, but if this one if true this is huge. If it can be proved that Bush flat out lied in the State of the Union address he's in serious trouble. The administration is being very careful on this one to try and say that they found out in February. And though this was still before the war began, the lie is MUCH worse if made to Congress in the Constitutionally mandates State of the Union.

Confirmation is definitely needed here.

[9215]

74. Something from June here

From a June 20th New York Times story (via the Oakland Tribune reprint of the story: <http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1865~1467084,00.html>):

"It has been known that Task Force 20 has led the hunt for chemical and biological weapons. But the unit's role in trying to determine the fate of Saddam has not been previously disclosed. Some officials have suggested that the efforts are linked and that he or his sons left power with a precise knowledge of Iraq's weapons program." "Task Force 20, the military organization that defense officials said had been charged with conducting the search, reports to the Central Command and its leader, Gen. Tommy R. Franks. The Central Command has only recently acknowledged the existence of Task Force 20, and and a spokesman for the U.S. Central Command, James Wilkinson, said he would not comment on the special military team or its mission. But other United States officials said the team was being supported by several intelligence agencies, including the CIA, and was organized to allow it to act quickly on intelligence gathered by satellites and electronic eavesdropping." "J. (James) Wilkinson", in Iraq, linked (by the story at least) to the CIA and the hunt for WMD.

[LeftHander]

82. Terence Wilkinson

I found info about Terence with one 'r'. He is a CEO Executive for a Holding Company that is concentrates on mining in Africa....specifically Plantinum.

Interesting....He could be the CIA consultant mentioned in the article from Capitol Hill Blue. I image that the mining industry is a small close knit field. And that if Uranium was being sold to Iraq this guy would have the connections to find out.

[quilp]

54. "Bush's response was anger"

That says it all. The world was not the way he wanted it. You do realize this child is the President of the United States of America?

[hatrack]

55. Meanwhile . . . here's the current MSNBC homepage headlines - 3:25 EDT

"WORKPLACE SHOOTING" - in 20-point capitals takes up the center of the screen. Below it, conveniently placed, is a handy-dandy interactive feature - "Mass Shootings"

Above, the MSNBC Question of the Day - "Kobe Bryant - A Rush To Judgment?"

Then, finally, third down on the "Top Stories" sidebar, is the following:

"WP - Uranium buy story backed off"

Is that even English? Could they even theoretically write a shittier, more vague and stupid headline for this story?

Nahh, didn't think so.

[Octafish]

62. Jail to the Thief!

The little turd lied and thousands died, just like he knew they would. He's his daddy's boy.

[Heddi]

64. Locking. Dupe

Please continue here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2572&mesg_id=2572&page=

I know this thread has more replies than the other one, but the original message was posted nearly 5 hours prior to this one, and I only think it's fair to allow the earlier post to stay.

Thanks
Heddi
DU mod

[Heddi]

65. UNLOCKING THIS THREAD

I had read this wrongly and thought it was a dupe of another article.

I do apologize for the bad lock--I honestly thought it was a dupe of another article posted earlier.

Please do forgive my interrupting the conversation.

You may send me to my room without dinner if it so suits you :)

sorry!
heddi
du mod

[lfairban]

67. By no means should you be sent to your room.

We like you here. It was an entirely forgivable mistake.

[Rhiannon12866]

108. I you want to stop by, I'll cook you dinner

What would you like?:-)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

68. Halle-Fucking-lujah!!

though the whole premise that Bush was mislead will be spread by the whore media. And Hitler didn't know about the concentration camps either...

[keek]

69. is it impeachment time yet?

n/t

[fishnfla]

72. "after US troops secured the country"

when were these meetings? the state of the union speech was in Jan., no? when was the UN resolution passed?

Once again the friendly folks at DU were RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!!!!!

[fishnfla]

76. TEN MONTHS????

according to the BBC, it was in March of 2002

[trapper914]

75. Poll numbers

Anyone seen recent poll numbers regarding whether Bush misled, exaggerated, or lied on WMD evidence? I think I saw one last week, but I can't remember where.

[Emillereid]

77. Impeach the asshole

Presidential lying and misuse of office doesn't get any worse than this. Impeach him and put him jail -- in Quantonamo!

[0007]

80. Wow!!

Let's get to work and bury this asshole.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

81. anything rated an even 5

deserves a kick!

[young_at_heart]

84. That begs the question, "What else has he lied about"?

There must be a few other lies here and there!

[underpants]

87. Oh let's see

His military record
His business career (including not reporting his insider trading to the SEC for 18 months)
His ranch
They forgot to tell Congress or the people that they already knew North Korea had nukes before they voted to okay his going to the UN to get approval for the War in Iraq (which he never did)
"Iraq is an imminent threat"
"Iraq is developing/has WMD"
Links to al Qeada
The effects of the FIRST tax cuts on the deficit ($44TRILLION according to the analysis commissioned by Paul O'Neil before he got canned. They released that after he signed the SECOND cut into law)

[mike_c]

86. kick, kick, kick....

Bush* and his cohorts evidently thought that EVERYONE was as pathologically dishonest as they were. Now they're finding out that some of the folks who were present while they were pulling the wool over USAmericans' eyes were uncomfortable with the deception.

[Nottingham]

88. Truth does comeout! Wilkinsons is blowing the lid off!

:bounce:

[goforit]

89. Nothing but cold blooded murdering thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shame on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. WH knew 10 months before SOUA that niger uranium intel was forged/false

"Now the CIA official has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.

That means that the administration would have known nearly a year before the State of the Union address that the information was likely false.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3056626.stm

[ElementaryPenguin]

92. There couldn't be a bigger SMOKING GUN than this!!!

And coming on the heels of "Bring 'em on!!!" BushCo is fucked forever and is soon to go down in flames!!! Spread this news to every corner of 'Murica!! The evil chimp has been busted!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

94. Permanent Smoking Gun kick!!!

We've now got Chimpy by the balls!!!

[ElementaryPenguin]

98. Kick! Kick! Kick!

:kick:

[dansolo]

99. Do you notice the subtle spin in the news reports?

I keep hearing references to "bad intelligence", as if the fault lay in the intelligence gathering. That is completely false. The intelligence wasn't bad, plenty of people knew that the Niger uranium story was false and that the documents were forgeries. The administration knowingly ignored the intelligence.

[robbedvoter]

100. Capitol Hill Blue is discrediting its own story (for whatever reason)

Seems source is a fraud.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2529.shtml
We'll have to make do with the indirect evidence.

[Sophree]

102. I was wondering why the original link

didn't contain the damaging information re: Shrub knowing the evidence was a fraud and ordering them to find someone who would back up the claim.

This is very odd.

On edit an excerpt:

After the story ran, we received a number of emails or phone calls that (1) either claimed Wilkinson was lying or (2) doubted his existence. I quickly dismissed the claims. After all, I had known this guy for 20+ years and had no doubt about his credibility. Some people wanted to talk to him, so I forwarded those requests on to him via email. He didn't answer my emails, which I found odd. I should have listened to a bell that should have been going off in my ear.

Today, a White House source I know and trust said visitor logs don't have any record of anyone named Terrance J. Wilkinson ever being present at a meeting with the President. Then a CIA source I trust said the agency had no record of a contract consultant with that name. "Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever heard of this guy," my source said.

I tried calling Terry's phone number. I got a recorded message from a wireless phone provider saying the number was no longer in service. I tried a second phone number I had for him. Same result...

"You've been had," she said. "I know about this guy. He's been around for years, claiming to have been in Special Forces, with the CIA, with NSA. He hasn't worked for any of them and his name is not Terrance Wilkinson."

[LeftHander]

104. He's been erased

When you are dealing with the CIA. People disappear.

I'll be you he is the same Terence Wilkinson from South Africa and a Terry Wilkinson who served in Vietnam.

Why would the WHite House verify the existence of a person who provided damaging evidence against shrub...

Its a cover up massive proportions.

:::Whoops my aluminum foil hat is crooked::::

:)

[Gingersnap]

105. he knew it was true because "God" told him so

is, I am sure, his defense. Just like "God" told him to attack the Taliban and strike Iraq.

What's so scary to me is that the Fundie discourse is so mainstream now (though Fundie's are still a distinct minority) that it is somehow acceptable for the President to rely on "God's advice" for foreign policy. I'm thinking of a recent link (about a week ago) to an interview in which Bush said God told him to attack Afghanistan and Iraq.

[grasswire]

106. no-----this story is retracted by the author

It's important to have this notice right up front.

The story has been retracted by Capitol Hill Blue. You can see other threads in GD for the details.

Unfortunately, when we spread this story, we confuse thousands of people who think Wilkinson is Wilson.

Which may be why the story was written in the first place -- to muddy the waters.