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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:37 PM
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NASA decides against shuttle repair in orbit
Source: MSNBC

Managers decide Endeavour can return home as is, with gouged tiles

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - NASA decided Thursday that no repairs are needed for a deep gouge in Endeavour’s belly and the space shuttle is safe to fly home.

Mission Control notified the seven shuttle astronauts of the decision right before they went to sleep, putting an end to a week of engineering analyses and anxious uncertainty — both in orbit and on Earth.

“Please pass along our thanks for all the hard work,” radioed Endeavour’s commander, Scott Kelly. Mission Control replied, “It’s great we finally have a decision and we can press forward.”

The astronauts had spent much of the day running through the never-before-attempted repair methods, just in case they were ordered up.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20294830/
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:39 PM
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1. strap in and hold your breath.
going to be a bumpy ride Sally
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:50 PM
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2. Pucker time nt
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:16 PM
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3. If They Can Repair The Hole, Why The Hell Not Do It?
Mind you, this explains why the astronauts are drunk all the time.

I'd have to be completely off my face to set foot in that deathtrap.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:27 PM
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8. Can't risk damaging any more tiles
The tiles are very fragile. If they accidentally ding another one with a tool, they're right back where they started.

They've actually made another tile with the exact same divot and tested it extensively. They're confident it won't cause a major problem.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:39 AM
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14. You're right, they are sensitive
My dad worked on the tile (works still really) on the tiles. He said that the carbon-carbon used is tough, but the actual tile is sensitive. And the carbon-carbon is a thin coat, so really a slight ding will hurt the tile. He helped them replace all the tiles on the Endeavour's nose cone and leading wing edge. (I'm not sure exactly what he's doing now, I'm sure working on tiles for another shuttle).
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:14 AM
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15. I heard Chris Hadley (Canadian astronaut) talking about them
He said that the tiles are about as fragile as the blue styrofoam insulation in buildings. You could easily poke your finger through it if you wanted.

That's neat that your father works on the tiles, but not surprising. There's almost a whole industry dedicated to manufacturing, fitting, installing and repairing those tiles.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:18 AM
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17. He works at Lockheed Martin
It's pretty cool. He moved over to that department soon after the Columbia tragedy. He gets all technically jargon-y when I ask him, so we haven't talked about it in awhile. :) But it's definitely interesting work.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:22 PM
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4. May have been more dangerous to repair. Spacewalk to underside of shuttle...pretty risky.
I suspect that they weighed the prospect of damaging further tiles during any spacewalk repair and the general difficulty of even attempting the work-arounds.

J
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TheOtherMaven Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:35 PM
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5. Scary....
Do the astronauts get any choice about whether to return with the shuttle, or wait at the space station until the next craft is sent up?

Or do they all have to roll the dice and pray?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:51 PM
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6. Trouble is
the ENGINEERS wanted to do the repair. The ADMINISTRATORS and SAFETY OFFICIALS said skip it.

I am getting out the nails and the wood. This guy and his pals BETTER be right. He just bet it all on seven people's lives and the future of the space program.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 12:56 PM
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18. Didn't realize that. I'd bet with the engineers any day. The Admin are pencil-pushers.
At least this time we'll know FULL WELL who to blame if things go horribly wrong.

J
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:03 PM
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7. NASA has said the repairs were only to prevent additional work on the ground
and that the damage was not in an area that would endanger the astronauts. If dangling an astronaut on the end of the 100 ft. crane underneath the shuttle might have resulted in further, possibly more serious damage, then they made the right call.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:35 PM
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9. We can only hope they're right.
They may be right - but if they're not, the whole problem, the whole reason some were leery about sending shuttles back at all, is that if the damage really was fatal... do they have good chances of actually doing something about it in space? Sure, they train for it, it'd be insane not to, but still, if there's such impressive chances of doing additional damage even if repairs need to be done Or Else... maybe there's really nothing they can do in such a situation? Maybe this has all been on a hope and a prayer where dings to the shielding is concerned?

But hey. Let's hope.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 06:42 AM
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10. The space shuttle was a waste of NASA funding. That space "truck" never
delivered the projected #'s of one shuttle launch every ten days.
At least the end is near for that pork program
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 07:45 AM
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11. Telling quote from the article....
"Not everyone was convinced NASA's decision was the right one. Stanford University's Douglas Osheroff, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist who served on the Columbia investigation board four years ago, questioned NASA’s hesitancy to perform the repairs since they “can only increase their chances of making it down.”

“I don’t see why NASA is going to invent a fix and not use it,” Osheroff said. He added: “This attitude of, ‘It looks like it’s OK, let’s not do anything about it,’ it seems like the Columbia NASA.”

I don't see how those folks are going to be able to sleep.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:25 AM
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12. I'm not normally superstitious
But if I was one of those Astronauts I would have been nervous letting the teacher on board. She's nothing but bad luck. Hole in the tiles, a hole in the gloves. Hell something even went wrong with the docking procedure. Maybe the others should tell the teacher that they have a very special present for her in the airlock...an apple perhaps? Problem solved, everyone can come home safely.

This post was a joke btw...in case you couldn't tell. Being DU, I feel that I need to point this out. :)
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:32 AM
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13. On Columbia
The damage was on the leading edge of the wing. Where the damage is located plays a big part in their decision. I only hope they're right and that the 'nauts return safely.
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:16 AM
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16. Yeah. It doesn't get nearly as hot where this tile is as with the wing and nose.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:04 PM
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19. That's a Russian Roulette
The sarcasm of the situation is that Russians (on the contrary) use quite safe, tried and tested method to return from the orbit in the Soyuz capsule.
Maybe they could lend a hand in returning some of the austronauts home?
From what I found the Soyuz capsule has only one spare place for the passenger which is a bugger.

I hope everyone returns safe.

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