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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:46 AM
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China's Iran stance worries US, Israel
Source: Jerusalem Post

Stuart Levey, the US Treasury official spearheading efforts to hit Iran economically, met with Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni in Tel Aviv on Thursday to discuss the ongoing efforts to get the world's financial institutions to sever ties with Teheran.

Israeli officials said Levey's work, which is conducted outside of the UN framework, was important because it could be pursued without facing obstacles placed in the way by Russia and China, whose support is necessary for UN sanctions. They agreed with US assessments that China is the most reluctant UN Security Council member when it comes to supporting expanded sanctions against Iran's nuclear program.

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Israeli officials on Thursday agreed with a statement made by US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns in Washington on Monday to the effect that China was lagging behind Russia in support for UN measures against Iran.

"The Chinese have been less enthusiastic to push forward the sanctions in general than we and the Europeans and even the Russians have," Burns said. "What we have said to the Chinese is this: We need to speak with one voice. And if a country is out there, a big country, a powerful country like Iran seeking a nuclear weapons capability against the will of everybody else in the international system, it's your job, China, to help us push back against the Iranians."


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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:49 AM
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1. I hope China starts using its veto power.
They've always been extremely reluctant to use it, but they should and would gain tremendous prestige for doing so. It's the only developing country with veto power and should stand up for peace and national sovereignty.

China doesn't like Iran's social system, but defends its right to not be attacked.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:23 AM
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4. Blasphemy!!!
How dare you throw our Constitution and the beliefs upon this country was founded back in their faces! You're going to get yours when Bush signs an executive order about heretics.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:51 PM
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13. Just as Iraq's "No-Fly Zones" were never sanctioned by UN
the US is trying to get some kind of sanction regime in place by by-passing the UN. Having China and Russia refuse to do a Nancy Pelosi imitation, it throws a monkey wrench on the warmongers in America and Israel.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:30 PM
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15. Did the room just become silence......MFG did the gents just
realize that not all counties could be bought or bullied?
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:51 AM
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2. BushCo's attempting to isolate Iran...
...and if they're not careful, the U.S. is the one who's going to end up being isolated by the international community.
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Africa1 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:57 AM
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3. China has a right
China,and not just China ,but every country has a right to do what they see as is in their own best interest.
US and Israel does what is in their own best interest.
One can not not go around the world Bullying and strongarming,and telling other nations what they should or should not do,and who they should chose as friends
That is sheer unbridled arrogance.
This is 2007 not back in the Colonial era.Those days are long gone
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:48 AM
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6. Not only does China have the right
They have the economic power to make it happen.

Already they've threatened to start dumping their dollar holdings.


Welcome to DU! :hi:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:26 AM
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5. I hear the sound of toothless gums flapping. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:43 PM
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9. ...
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 12:43 PM by redqueen
:rofl:

No kidding! China knows who holds the power. I doubt they're too concerned about our disapproval.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:02 PM
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7. China signed a $70 billion oil and gas deal with Iran in 2004
China isn't going to do anything.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:38 PM
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8. US's Iran stance worries everyone else nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:16 PM
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10. Thanks to Bushite economic policy (if you want to call it that--'general corporate predator
looting' would be a more accurate designation), China holds much of our debt paper. So, eat shite, Bushites and Democratic Party colluders! You made this fouled nest. Good luck getting Iran's biggest oil customer to punish Iran.

But why punish Iran? To kill thousands of children, weaken the country, bleed it to death, and soften it up for attack/invasion like the chickenhawks did to Iraq?

Such a gentlemanly "policy."

And why?

Cuz Iran wants nukes like Israel and the U.S. have. If I was Iran, hearing the threats from these parties, I'd want nukes, too.

The US/Bushite/AIPAC/Democratic Party colluders' efforts to paint Iran's leadership as crazy--and lately their hilarious efforts to blame Iran for their highly corrupt, failed policy in Iraq--just don't hold muster. Iran is not crazy. It's hostile to US/Israel, but it's not crazy. And maybe that hostility is well-justified. Who destroyed Iran's democracy in 1954, and inflicted the Iranian people with 25 years of torture and oppression under the horrible Shah of Iran? Who DROVE the Iranians into the arms of the mullahs for protection? The US, UK and Israel! The Iranians certainly remember this, even if most Americans don't. What have we ever done to make Iranians feel secure, or to give them any notion that our intentions are good? Nothing. And so, the fact of the matter is that Iran's leadership would be crazy NOT to seek a nuclear deterrent.

And if a nuclear deterrent is necessary in Iran to insure China's oil supply, China is NEVER going to agree to sanctions of any kind, and, further, China can punish us severely if we harm, attack or invade Iran.

Sometimes I think that all this is is WAR PROFITEERING. Create an "enemy," a "bogeyman," and keep the billions flowing into Halliburton's and other war profiteers' pockets. However, there is considerable evidence, at this point, that, in ADDITION to the trillion dollar-plus thorough looting of our treasury, the Bush/Cheney (and Democratic colluders') goal in Iraq is to keep torturing and killing Iraqis until they sign over their oil rights to U.S. corporations. Instead of creating a sane energy policy here at home--and a sane taxation policy, and a healthy U.S. economic policy based on fair trade at home and abroad--we're going around targeting one country after another for their oil: Iraq, Iran, Venezuela.

Saddam was easiest to demonize. Iran less so. Venezuela not at all. Good, lawful, constitutional government in Venezuela, hugely support by the people, transparent elections--unlike the U.S.--and very popular throughout South America, for its far-thinking ideas of Latin American self-determination and social justice. But the facts don't bother the Bush State Dept. or its lapdog corporate news monopolies. They are preparing for war in the Andes! And so--despite the provable fact that Venezuela is actually a far better democracy than the United States--they relentlessly repeat the Big Lie that "Chavez is a dictator," just like they relentlessly repeated the Big Lie about Saddam and the WMDs. And the facts in Iran also mean nothing to them. As a matter of fact, Iran's government is fairly representative--at least of the male population. We could not tolerate Sharia law, but it nevertheless binds the people there in a sort of communal self-protection against U.S. capitalistic and monarchical Islamic top-down rule, or rule by fatcat sheiks. It is far more democratic than Saudi Arabia or the UAE. Because I am an uppity woman, I would likely have my head chopped off in Iran. Iranian oppression of women is awful. But then... the same is true of Saudi Arabia. So why isn't Bush saber rattling at Saudi Arabia?

Nope, it's the Big Lie again. There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for the threats against Iran. Slaughtering tens of thousands of women and children, or starving them, is not going to help women's rights. Creating chaos in Iran--looting, gangs, tribal warfare, civil disorder, rapine, millions of refugees--is not going the help women. And the Big Lie and devious and growing Bushite threat against Venezuela (also, Bolivia and Ecuador, allies of Venezuela) is UNCONSCIONABLE. They are planning to destroy a TRUE DEMOCRACY, one of the best in the hemisphere. Their war greed, and disinformation goals, know no limits!

War profiteer greed. Resource greed. They've made an utter disaster of Iraq, out of greed. Now they want to extend that disaster far and wide. China is sitting back, holding most of the cards, and thumbing its nose at the Bushites. The Bushites have to collude on the sly, with Israel--and bully and kneecap whoever they can get their clutches into, for some kind of alliance to weaken and attack Iran, and get control of THEIR oil, in a world that increasingly loathes this country, because of our HORRIBLE Bushite/Democratic Party colluder leadership.

My solution--difficult but doable--is to take the first step back toward democracy here: transparent vote counting. Difficult, because our entire political establishment wants vote counting in extremely insecure and insider hackable voting machines, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations. Democrat, Bushite, they're all protecting this STALINIST vote counting system. ("Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." --attributed to Josef Stalin, of the Big Lie.) Doable, because the states and localities STILL (for the time being) control the mechanics of our election system. And, although there is much corruption around these expensive crapass voting systems, the people who are doing it live right down the street--your county registrar--or not that far away, in your state capitol. Ordinary people still have some influence in these venues.

Once we have restored verifiable elections, real reform will begin, because we will have people representing us who were REALLY elected by us.

It's become pretty obvious that we don't have this now. 70% of the American people oppose the Iraq War and want it ended --up from a significant majority way back at the beginning--56% opposed to the Iraq War (Feb. '03). It was to defeat that majority--now an overwhelming majority--that "trade secret" vote counting was devised (in the same month as the Iraq War Resolution, Oct. '02). To begin to reverse the bad fortunes of this country, we need to reverse non-transparent vote counting. Our democratic process--which provides for a change of course, when the country has gone badly wrong--cannot work, until we have restored vote counting that everyone can see and understand. No change of course, and no reform, is possible, without verifiable elections.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:37 PM
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11. At China's current production rate, they could suck up every barrel of oil on the market. But.....
if we and the world stop buying their production due to depression, or planned avoidance, China will implode. Setting China up for another cultural revolution.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:45 PM
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12. Cultural revolution, how so?
'Planned avoidance' makes little sense too, but I'd love it if you'd elaborate...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:17 PM
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14. this is why WWIII is right around the corner
China is NOT our friend
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Saboburns Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:30 PM
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16. It is to laugh
Yeah, well.

Are we China's friend??

This country is so fukked, so warped, so misguided that people feel other nations are up to the same no good shit we pull refularly. We're ga;ways good, I reckon.

Good for China.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:01 AM
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17. Neo-con alert
(snip)

Some wishful thinkers even dared to hope that America, chastened by the Iraq war, would rediscover the liberal, generous, internationalist values that had guaranteed American popularity and American leadership after the Second World War.

These hopes, dreams and utopian predictions have all proved vain and without substance for one important reason: Pro-Israeli foreign policy hawks remain strongly entrenched inside the Bush Administration where, in conjunction with an array of supportive right-wing think-tanks, they continue to shape U.S. policy, especially on the Middle East.

Men like Eliott Abrams, director of Middle East affairs at the National Security Council; David Wurmser, Vice-President Cheney’s Middle East adviser, and John Hannah, Cheney’s chief-of-staff, remain active and influential.

In addition, two other senior American officials -- closely allied to the neocon camp -- now play a central role in America’s self-proclaimed Global War on Terror and its bitter contest with Arab and Muslim opponents.

Stuart Levey, Under Secretary at the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, and Robert Joseph, Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs at the State Department (John Bolton’s old job) are spearheading America’s campaign against Iran, Syria, Hizballah and Hamas.

(snip)

Judging from their speeches, activities and testimonies to Congressional committees, both Levey and Joseph are Israel-centric hard-liners, determined to shatter the Iranian and Syrian economies and cut off the flow of funds to all Islamic movements, organisations and charities -- and in particular, of course, to Hamas, the democratically-elected Palestinian government.

On a recent visit to Britain and France, Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made no secret of his wish to see the end of the Hamas government. "I want this terrorist government to collapse," he told the French daily, Le Figaro, on 13 June, "so that civilised people may take control and reconstruct the Authority…"

Stuart Levey is doing his very best to satisfy Olmert’s wishes. As he told a House of Representatives sub-committee, his Office remains "fully committed to combating terrorist financing in all its forms and wherever it may occur."

(snip)

http://www.agenceglobal.com/article.asp?id=949
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