Giuliani: Dems want nanny government

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Source: Associated Press

MEREDITH, N.H. - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani on Monday accused Democrats of favoring a controlling "nanny government" as he continued his bashing of the rival party.
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The former New York mayor, opening a two-day campaign trip in the first primary state, also claimed that Democrats would raise taxes between 20 percent to 30 percent. He offered no specifics to back up those figures.

"Democrats are kind of falling over each other seeing who can raise taxes faster," Giuliani said. "It looks like they're going to raise taxes anywhere between 20 to 30 percent. John Edwards just said he's going to raise the capital gains tax double that. Last time we did that, we lost 40 percent in revenue. The last time we did what John Edwards is discussing, the United States lost revenue by basically discouraging people from making investments."

Edwards has proposed raising capital gains taxes for the wealthy while creating tax breaks for the middle class.

At a later appearance in Wolfeboro — where rival Mitt Romney has a lakefront summer home — Giuliani said the solution lies in lower taxes.

"We should love this problem of taxes being too high by lowering taxes," he said, standing on the steps of an ice cream shop.

Last week, Giuliani called the Democrats the "party of losers" and singled out Edwards and Democratic Sen. Barack Obama for criticism on economics and foreign policy.

Giuliani argued that he favors less government and lower taxes.

"That's what makes America great, not this nanny government that Democrats want to give us, where government controls your entire life," he said.

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[ulysses]

1. any member of the party that created the Patriot Act

who whines about "nanny states" should be laughed out of the hall.

[stevebreeze]

39. This has to be read by all! The conservative Nanny State

By Dean Baker.It's a short free download and well worth the time.
http://www.conservativenannystate.org/

[quiet.american]

2. Well, Repubs want psycho government and look where that's gotten us. n/t

[KansDem]

64. LOL!!!--"psycho government "

Good observation!

I've often wondered how I would respond to a charge of "nanny government" from a freeper. Now with 7 years of BushII behind us, I can honestly say:

We tried it your way...it didn't work!

Succinct and to the point...

[quiet.american]

65. Cheers, KansDem! :) n/t

[jaxx]

3. I bet he hasn't read the latest exec orders.

Nanny beats the hell out of dictator.

[dickbearton]

41. So what does Giuliani and the Corrupt Republicans wont...

A Nazi State.

[Deja Q]

4. Corporations (and government) seem to be nannying people already

Security cameras
wire tapping
corporations demanding workers get fit or else they get fired

Who's playing nanny here, Giuliani?

[dickbearton]

43. Nanny?

Hell, if Giuliani were elected he'd be playing Fascist.

[pinto]

'Lost 40 percent in revenue'? I'd like to see some stats for that statement, Mr. Giuliani.

[wicket]

9. Isn't that what Clinton raised when he first came into office

And we all know how the economy TANKED in the 1990's ;)

[Nostradammit]

5. "We just want to read every single one of your e-mails,

record all your phone conversations and freeze your assets if you disagree with our policies.

Damn Democrats," Giuliani added.

[rodeodance]

6. Bush is the Repugs nanny!

[woodsprite]

7. And they want a government whose treasury can

be used as their personal bank account, to the detriment of the citizens of this country. A gov't that takes care of it's people vs. one that picks their pockets - I think that should be a no brainer for anyone.

[Mythsaje]

8. Well, I have to agree that the Republican tax plans work out great

FOR HIM!

Fucking aristocrats.

[BlueStater]

10. "Party of losers"

Pretty big talk from someone who's running behind "None of the above" in the polls.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Hey Tudy, a 'nanny' government to me means one that tries to tell you how to act, think, and

speak. It tells you what you're allowed to see and holds back information from citizens because it believes we are too stupid to understand complex ideas. It's a 'nanny' government that we have now, telling us we can't decide our reproductive freedom, can't live our lives without being 'afraid', can't make our own decisions about getting cheaper drugs from Canada, etc.

[Deja Q]

13. Funny how Canadian drugs are 'unsafe'. I had no idea most of them were made in India

until recently.

[amb123]

12. Wrong Rudy!

It's not Democrats who want a nanny state, it's Republicans who want a Fascist State!

:grr:

[Trillo]

14. Guiliani wants GOLDen government.

HE who has the GOLD makes the rules, and government insures HE keeps getting the GOLD.

[edbermac]

15. Beats having a NINNY government, Rudy.

[Doremus]

60. Hey! I know the guy holding that sign!

Was that a protest in/around Cleveland by any chance?

[jaysunb]

16. Right out of Tweety's mouth...

this is his favorite label for the Democrat party.

[eppur_se_muova]

17. Better than "Abusive parent" government any day. nt

[Acadia Blue]

18. This pig would be more like Hitler....he is authoritarian real

[Cant trust em]

19. Does the GOP have anything besides name calling?

All they seem to want to do is throw labels out there and misdirect from the real issues. They talk about how we want the "nanny state" but don't offer any other solutions besides letting the market take care of it.

[Massachusetts]

20. Rudolph is a fraud, that is not worth a thought or the printed word

[BootinUp]

21. Well

When the time comes we must mince no words and hold none back in defining him as you say.

[donkeyotay]

22. GOPers want looters government

Translation time:

"GOPers are falling over each other seeing who can loot the public treasury faster," donkeyotay said. "It looks like they're going to loot anywhere between 2000 to 3000 percent of GDP. They're going to raise the debt on our children and grandchildren. Last time we did that, interests rates soared and the economy collapsed. The United States lost revenue from being squeezed by the need to borrow to pay interest, and people lost their jobs."

At a later appearance in Wolfeboro — where rival Mitt Romney has a lakefront summer home — Giuliani said the solution lies in borrowing to reward corporate cronies with contracts.

"We should love this problem of taxes being too high by giving as much money as possible to our friends," he said, standing on the steps of an ice cream shop.

Last week, donkeyotay called the Repubics the "party of looters" and singled out Giuliani for criticism on economics and foreign policy.

Giuliani argued that he favors stealing from tax payers to reward cronies, and borrowing and spending to keep people from catching on.

"That's what makes America great, we can write legislation and there's nothing the little people can do to stop us. Democrats want to give us government that delivers something to the people for their taxes," he said, "And under that system, what's the advantage of being rich?"

[ima_sinnic]

63. great stuff!

:thumbsup:

[Amonester]

66. This plain ol' TRUTH deserves it's own OP in GD & GDP.

Top GP material, IMO.

May The Truth Prevail.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

23. Well certainly

any candidate who positions him (or her) self as one that attacks the other party and doesn't really say what he's going to do, is one I want to elect.......... NOT! :)
Sticks and stones will beak my bones Rudy, but names will never hurt me.
He should have completed his tax raising statement with the statement, 'to make up for the deficit the Republicans have created through irresponsible tax cuts and an unneccesary military operation that cost about 20 times what the initial estimate was'

[Oskie]

24. " Nanny government " beats the Repubs "crony government"..

Repubs want "crony government" so they can rule
without conscience, ethics or rule of law. They pay lip
service to democracy, while installing the little dictator so
they can steal, lie and cheat without fear of what we once
called Justice in this country. Worship $$$ and spit on the
decent Americans trying to make a living. Fox u, Repubs.  

[Amonester]

68. Same recommendation as in reply #66 above, and welcome to

DU, Oskie. :hi:

Greatest Page Material Straight Off The Bat!

Make The Truth Prevail.

[Tab]

25. About that 40% of revenue

First, I sincerely doubt we lost "40% of revenue" unless he's talking a very narrow category, and I doubt the number even then. If true, it sounds like a very cherry-picked number.

Second, the Repubs cut taxes. Is not cutting taxes the same as cutting revenue? I'm pretty sure that it is. Bush cut more revenue than Clinton did. Hell, Clinton managed to get enough revenue to get us into a surplus!

Repubs didn't make the country any less expensive to operate, so where did the money come from? Only one place - the national credit cards, Debtcard and Deficitcard.

The alternate universe hums on....

[David Zephyr]

26. Rudy: "Nanny = Woman = Hillary" I mean, how friggin' misogynous can he get?

Don't let Rudy get away with this sexist slur.

[mitchum]

27. Rudy, who cares what a MOBBED UP egomaniac thinks?

[NastyDiaper]

28. As opposed to what? An Abusive Government?

Guli is a 'tard.

[dkofos]

29. And rudy wants a fascist govt.

[Bravo Zulu]

30. The pukes want daddy government

I don’t think our country will survive another daddy like bu$h, if it can recover after the disaster he created these last eight years!

[Betty]

31. If he's worried about the government controlling our lives

then he'd better worry about the supreme court that bush has engineered... the govt. will soon be controlling women's reporducitve rights, for starters. And with all the surveillance we are all under thanks to this REPUKE administration, and bush claiming the right to seize the assets of anyone who disagrees with the war... I'd say the days of the govt. controling our entire lives are pretty much at hand, and it's not a Democratic president that has caused all of this.

[mzmolly]

32. Democrats aren't the party that tells people what they can do in their bedrooms,

who they can marry, if they have to reproduce or not, if they are allowed birth control, if we can read books on a various topic in high schools across this country ... Sorry Rudy, Republicans are the nanny's and they're abusive/neglectful Nanny's at that.

[guitar man]

33. hmmm, I thought Vitter was one of theirs

Isn't he the one who wanted a nanny??

:rofl:

[donheld]

34. Republican's seem happy with a Ninny government. n/t

[slackmaster]

35. As is often the case with stereotypes, that one has a kernel of truth

We should fight the perception by affirming our support for privacy and liberty at every opportunity.

[devilgrrl]

36. Project project project...

what a windbag! :nuke:

[KamaAina]

37. A 'Nanny' government? Did I miss something?

Has another female candidate entered the race?



:-)

edit: she looks MUCH better than a red X :loveya:

[Fovea]

38. Which would you rather have?

A nanny party that looks after the young, old, and infirm, or a 'who's your daddy' party that has Jeff Gannon family values?

Ask the NYFD and other first responders that question and see what they tell you, Rudy.

I would love to see a photoshop of that nanny govt quote with rudy in a dress...

[Zorra]

40. Yep. Republican perverts and crooks need a babysitter to keep them

from cheating on their spouses, taking bribes, and molesting children.

No wonder Rudy is worried.

[guitar man]

42. DEMS want a nanny govt?

JFC, just WTF do they think their damn social conservatism advocates. Wasn't it Rudy that shut down the topless joints in NYC?

Shit, after years and years of social conservatism here in Oklahoma, I can't even walk my 44 year old ass into a grocery store and buy cold 6 percent beer. I can't buy a nudie mag without it being all wrapped up to where I can't tell what's in the issue before I buy it, you can't get any decent porn videos here, bars and clubs are getting pushed out of their spaces because of storefront churches and on and on and on....

Now if THAT isn't a damned "nanny state", I don't know WTF is. Brought to you by the same people who vote for the likes of Coburn and Inhofe...

Rudy needs to stop and smell WTF he's shoveling once in a while....:grr:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

44. And Julie just wants the nanny.

:rofl:

[Fovea]

45. Nanny state vs...

[BattyDem]

46. This is coming from the man who put ...

fences ("pedestrian barricades") on the midtown street corners in order to control how people crossed the street! :eyes:

[EFerrari]

48. I knew if I read this thread I'd find something like that.

What an @ss he is.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. exactly, so weird. and he shut down the good night clubs and disneyfied times square

nanny much

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47. Who's your nanny? (warning: slightly graphic)

(edited to add warning :) )

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. he was a huge nanny figure in nyc, telling us what to do at every turn

he even tried a crazy jay walking punishment

[Kool Kitty]

69. And Rudy wanted to control

what sort of pets you kept. Remember the "No Ferrets" caper?

[truthisfreedom]

51. Hey Rudy... Guess what you just did?

You just drove another 10,000 Dems to the polls, and I'm donating a thousand smackers to the Dem candidate now.

Nice job, idiot!

[Bob3]

52. All Rudy wants is a Balcony

N/T

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53. A balcony? n/t

[treestar]

54. What hypocrisy

What about the nanny government that "protects us" when we are not willing to take any chance of exposing ourselves to harm in order to be free?

[NYC Liberal]

55. Rudy wants nanny...

to have an affair with.

[ProudDad]

56. Right, rudie, War, exploitation and state murder

are what make "america great"!

[Amonester]

71. and torture.

goully wants a torture nanny too.

[freethought]

57. Campaigning in New Hampshire is he?

New Hampshire isn't quite the repug stronghold it used to be. A flow of Dems from Massachusetts
has narrowed the gap between dems and repukes. This has been going on for some time.

Secondly-Lower taxes? One thing is true about New Hampshire, no income tax. But if they don't get you there, they will find some other way to get it out of you. In New Hampshire they use property taxes instead.

[thereismore]

58. Rudy wants his nanny too. nt

[Harper_is_Bush]

59. He sounds unhinged. n/t

[auburngrad82]

61. Straight out of Lakoff's framing

He says the GOP responds better to a strong father figure and that they like to frame Democrats in a weaker, more feminine light, ie "nanny" and "weak" etc. Hmmm. I wonder if this aspect of the GOP is why they have so many sexual "issues" they need to be forgiven for.

[harun]

62. I don't think the people are buying the "smaller gov't" from

Repugs argument anymore.

People figured out they need protection not from the gov't, but protection by the gov't from the corporations, who have the real power in this country.

And about "smaller gov't", you know what Rudy, that also means CHEAPER. You can't claim "smaller gov't" then increase defense spending (including Iraq spending) to the point of nearly bankrupting the country, and deny people services they want like consumer protection, predatory lending protection, healthcare, etc.

Who still believes this crap coming from them? Can't be more than 20% of the people.

[stressfulreality]

67. Rudy, you're a poor fool... your whole campaign is based on fear tactics

Rudy is a mobster elitist. God forbid we ever see him as president.

[Norquist Nemesis]

70. Personally, I'd take Mary Poppins over Father Guiliani any day of the week!

One thing I absolutely don't get about the Cons using the slanderous Nanny idea is they completely diss the importance women have had in rearing the children! It's so contradictary to me that these are the same people who promote stay at home moms on the notion that it's better for the children, then gripe about how "Nanny" (women) would be horrible if in charge. :wtf: :crazy: