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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:44 PM
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Libya protests over pardons for HIV medics
Source: reuters




Libya protests over pardons for HIV medics

By Anna Mudeva Thu Jul 26, 11:02 AM ET

SOFIA (Reuters) - Libya accused Bulgaria on Thursday of violating an agreement between the two countries by pardoning six medical workers convicted of intentionally infecting hundreds of Libyan children with HIV.


Libya's formal protest came a day after the HIV victims' families condemned Bulgaria's "recklessness" and called on Tripoli to cut ties with Sofia and deport Bulgarian nationals. They also demanded the medics be re-arrested by Interpol.

"The pardon granted to the medics by the Bulgarian authorities is a clear violation of the agreement reached on July 23," said an official in Tripoli who wished not to be named.

After more than eight years in jail, the five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor who recently took Bulgarian citizenship were freed on Tuesday under a cooperation accord between Tripoli and the European Union.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070726/wl_nm/libya_nurses_protest_dc;_ylt=Ai.zPYsg6enuEphjp5YqAGus0NUE




Eight years these people lost and NOW lybia is having cow!
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:29 PM
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1. Saving face
I'm sure the pardon was part of the agreement the countries came to for releasing the nurses and doctor.

You don't think the $100 million came without strings, do you?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:41 PM
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2. i don't think agreements made under duress should be honored
apparently the $100 million has already been paid, and it is too bad, because how many more medics and others will be held in future on bogus charges to extort money?

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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:26 PM
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3. MUCH more than $100 million were paid to the Libyan terror regime
They actually got almost half a billion dollar ransom as a reward for
abducting and torturing nurses and doctors during these eight years.
And apparently the monstrously corrupt French president also wants
to deliver a nuclear reactor to the Libyan terror state.

Apparently some politicians think that conventional terrorism is
boring, so they give money and nuclear devices to a bloodthirsty regime,
which is the leading expert of international terrorism.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:30 AM
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7. Are you sure you're talking about the same country?
Bush is the one who had the sanctions lifted on Libya which allowed for purchase of the reactor.

Oh, and there are U.S. companies who are supplying the infrastructure for the French reactor.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:40 PM
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14. Germans slam Sarkozy over Libya nuclear deal
BERLIN, July 27, 2007 (AFP) - Criticism of France's plans to build a nuclear reactor in Libya mounted in Germany on Friday, with the Greens accusing President Nicolas Sarkozy of behaving recklessly.

"This is reckless, nationalistic activism on the part of President Sarkozy," the co-president of the environmentalist party, Richard Buetikofer told the daily Passauer Neuen Presse.

I am not surprised that he is suddenly calling (Libyan leader Moammer) Kadhafi a great democrat," he said, adding that France was making it easier for Libya to "reach for nuclear arms."
"Kadhafi may have vowed to give up the quest for nuclear fire power but can one really believe a dictator?"



Sarkozy signed a memorandum on building a nuclear reactor for water desalination in Libya after talks with Kadhafi on Thursday, a day after Tripoli freed six foreign medics from jail after an eight-year ordeal.

snip

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=42324

Well, the deal should create jobs in France
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:01 AM
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15. A nuclear toy for dangerous dictators from France is unfortunately no surprise
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 12:03 AM by SpikeTss
In the past the French foreign policy didn't care if this recklessness
endangers other states or whole regions. For example, they sold a
nuclear reactor to Saddam Hussein's Iraq:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak

In addition to the reactor, construction, and technical assistance, the French sold around 28 lb (12.5 kg) of 93% highly enriched uranium fuel (HEU), the usual fuel world-wide for research-type reactors at that time, to the Iraqi government.


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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:39 AM
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16. I'm suprised the 'global warming' angle is downplayed in all this
from the article previously posted on why the need for this reactor in the first place

....."Sarkozy signed a memorandum on building a nuclear reactor for water desalination in Libya" .....

the lack of fresh water forces Libya to pool sea water around a non oil or coal fired power source. The water used to cool the reactors can harmlessly be dumped back into the sea at only a slight temp increase.

To deny them the right to fresh potable water is an act of war.......give the French workforce jobs and the Libyans will have water to drink. When the tin pot grows old and out of power, they will still have the nuke plant producing drinking water.


;)
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:14 AM
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17. That's because

Some single spots on this earth will become extremely hot after the Libyans
have figured out how to re-configure their new nuclear toy to deliver goodies
to the worldwide terrorist groups they've been cooperating with over the last
few decades.

May it be nuclear bombs, may it be dirty bombs. Or maybe only the threat to
use nuclear technology for terrorist actions. We know now, how well this
works, as the Libyans have received 500 million dollars only for not killing
the nurses and doctors they had kidnapped.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:18 PM
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4. The French leader worked on the case.
Actually, his wife did the shuttle diplomacy.
Soon
"A Carrot" will fall in Gaddafi's lap for allowing the European medical team passage out of the dark continent.

Then again,
deals in Iraq are on the table for discussion so, "A Carrot" may also fall in the laps of the mullahs
in short order also;
http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-203/0707265842183206.htm
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:21 AM
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5. This is great work of this modern Marie Antoinette

Now that the wife of the corrupt French president (the one who celebrated
his victory at the elections on the yacht of one of the businessmen, who
financed his 'victory') has promised the Libyan murderer Qaddafi

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article1171361.ece

a 'carrot', I'm pretty sure that very soon American airliners will fall
again from the sky. Because this will be one the ways the Libyan terrorists
will celebrate their victory over justice. But maybe this time they'll cover
the tracks even better, so that it becomes harder to trace the bombs back
to Libya. Last time it was already pretty hard to prove that it were the
Libyans who killed hundreds of US citizens.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:33 AM
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8. Libya wouldn't get the reactor
If it wasn't for Bush lifting the sanctions against the country.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/09/20/libya_us040920.html

Other countries follow the U.S.' lead in world trade.
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:17 AM
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6. French-Libyan nuke deal called 'irresponsible'
It seems that at least the progressive French politicians have realized, that
their corrupt president Sarkozy is about to open pandora's box by delivering
the technology for building nukes and giving the Libyan regime the possibility
to hand over these tools to terrorist groups.

We're living in interesting times! :-(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6808726,00.html

Environmentalists and France's leftist opposition on Thursday criticized a
preliminary deal to provide civilian nuclear technology to Libya, with some
claiming France used it as a bargaining chip to help free a group of medics
held by Libya.
French-born Eurodeputy Daniel Cohn-Bendit of the Green Party called the nuclear
deal a ``ransom.''

Environmentalist group Greenpeace said the French move was irresponsible.

``This deal poses enormous problems of nuclear proliferation and is a clear
continuation of the French policy of irresponsibly exporting its nuclear
technology,'' the organization said in a statement.


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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:34 AM
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9. You can thank Bush for this
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:08 PM
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10. 'We were tortured and treated like animals'
BBC news has some details, why the nurses stated that the infections were
done deliberately: They were tortured in indescribable ways by the Libyan
regime. Losing teeth, eyesight, electroshocks and other 'special treatments'
were done to them by their torturers.

Great that this lawless state is now again a member of the world society
and will have soon the means to build atom bombs, thanks to people like
Bush and Sarkozy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6908899.stm

Speaking of his prison experiences, the doctor says he lived for two years in filth
with only salty water to drink, sharing a cell measuring 1.9m (6ft) by 1.7m (5.5ft)
by 3m (9.8ft) with up to eight people at a time.
"I could not lie down to sleep for two years - I could only sit. You cannot imagine it. In the summer it
got so hot, people were passing out."
He says he was beaten up by guards, and had four teeth knocked out when investigators attacked him with clubs.

But that was nothing compared to the electric shocks given to the nurses, he says.

"They tortured and treated them like animals - in fact, you would not treat animals like that."

"The Libyan government kidnapped us because it knew we were a very weak country at that time.

"We feel very bad. We have been humiliated. We are innocent people who have been treated very badly for eight
years. We have been hostages and that is the truth."

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070726-024812-4200r

"Every one of us was alone in a cell, we were treated really badly, we can never, ever
forgive this. Only God can forgive, I cannot," he said.
He demonstrated how for a year he was forced to sleep while kneeling, his hands handcuffed behind his back.
"If I bent my head down, a policeman kicked me. I still have scars over my body, they remain and I am asking
any professional to come and examine my scars as evidence that we were tortured," he said.

We were tortured not because we were guilty, but because we were innocent."

Hajuj said that immediately after his arrest in 1999, he was forced to leave his fingerprints on blank sheets
of paper on which admissions of guilt were later printed to be used as signed confessions.

"Because we are innocent. One day the truth will come out as much as they try to hide it. Corruption is all over
the country. The health system, the security, the justice, everywhere," he said.


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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:17 PM
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11. I am so glad they are home!
The fact they were not executed is a miracle. That they were released, miracle doesn't even cover it!
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:32 PM
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12. Yes, it's great that they are home
But it was not a miracle. This was possible, because some states, among them
many Eastern European states, paid unbelievable amounts of money as ransom
for the nurses kidnapped by the Libyan regime:

- The European Union alone paid almost half a billion dollars

- States in Eastern Europe were forced to grant debt cancellations for Libya

- France now delivers technology for building atom bombs

and so on.

In fact, what you're seeing here is a very effective form of terrorism conducted
by Libya: Kidnapping citizens from other states and offering their release for
money, etc.

And again, it worked. It's easy with weak statesmen like Sarkozy, Bush or Blair as
opponents.

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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:59 PM
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13. Didn't we go to war with those Barbary coast pirates
200 years ago?
Something abouth "Millions in defense,
not one penny in tribute"!!!
?

The USS Philedelpia was scuttled on the shores of Tripoly.

truely history repeats, eh SpikeTss ?
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