Thousands of Protestants march peacefully through Belfast

[struggle4progress]

Source: Associated Press

Jul 12 2007 6:21PM

DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) .. tens of thousands of Protestant hard-liners marched through the streets ... commemorating a 1690 victory by .. of William of Orange.

In the past decade, Catholics led by Sinn Fein .. tried to block Orangemen from parading near Catholic districts, often triggering riots. Just two years ago, a parade was attacked with Molotov cocktails and hand grenades, wounding more than 100 people.

But in 2005, the I-R-A disarmed and renounced violence ...

In a sign of changing times, a small group of Orangemen peacefully passed Catholic protesters holding anti-Orange placards in a traditional I-R-A stronghold in north Belfast.

Read more: http://www.kxmc.com/News/143199.asp

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People who sneer They've been enemies for thousands of years usually don't know how to learn lessons from history

[Darth_Kitten]

1. They need to get over the Battle of the Boyne......

Can never understand the stupidity of the "Orangemen".

William of Orange was an intolerant foreigner "invited" to take a throne that wasn't his to begin with. His father in law James II stood up for religious toleration for ALL faiths.

[Scurrilous]

2. Pope cut out of Orange history

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"Mystery surrounds the fate of a painting by the minor Dutch master Pieter Van der Meulen (see above), which portrays William of Orange and his generals being blessed by Pope Innocent XI before the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. As Peter Berresford Ellis reveals in the Irish Democrat, the picture reveals "one of the great myths of history" - how Orange propaganda turned the Williamite conquest of Ireland into a war between Catholic and Protestant. In 1934, a former RUC Inspector and "extreme right-wing bigot", Unionist MP John Nixon (1880 - 1949) led a gang of Loyalists into Stormont where they slashed the painting with a knife and threw crimson paint over the image of the Pope. The painting was taken down and sent away for restoration. It was never seen again, and today is estimated to worth over £500,000.

As Berresford notes, "pandering to popular ignorance was always a policy of Loyalism": the fact that William of Orange was funded by the Pope who funded his victories at the Boyne and the Battle of Aughrim. And when news of the Boyne victory reached the Pope and leaders of his allies in the League of Augsberg, prayers and songs were sung in his honour in the Catholic cathedrals of the countries, and as the painting shows, the Pope gave his blessing to William of Orange.

The background of the struggle in Europe was between Louis XIV of France and his ambitions to dominate Europe - supported by the Stuart King, James II. Their opponents set up a grand alliance at Augsberg which became known as the League of Augsberg. among their members was William of Orange and Pope Innocent XI, as temporal head of the papal states as well as head of universal church.

The painting hung in the Orange parliament unnoticed until March 8th 1933, when as a Unionist MP, Nixon rose in Stormont to demand from the Prime Minister Lord Craigcavon why was there a picture of William of Orange hanging in what he called a "protestant parliament for a protestant people ?". His immediate reply is not recorded, but when he did a year later, Craigavon said first:

"I am an orangeman first and a protestant and a member of parliament afterwards . . . All l boast is that we have a protestant parliament and a protestant state."

He added that the portrait was not his responsibility, it was that of the Speaker of the House, no adequate reply was forthcoming. Seven weeks later Nixon and his gang attacked the painting. No action was taken against Nixon, and the matter was quietly forgotten. As Berresford observes, one wonders where the picture has disappeared to?"

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/pope_cut_out_of_.htm

[struggle4progress]

3. Well, there's an interesting little tidbit, incongruous with the usual blather

[Darth_Kitten]

5. The Pope was hardly pro-Protestant

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08021a.htm


"Innocent XI did not approve the imprudent manner in which James II attempted to restore Catholicism in England. He also repeatedly expressed his displeasure at the support which James II gave to the autocratic King Louis XIV in his measures hostile to the Church. It is, therefore, not surprising that Innocent XI had little sympathy for the Catholic King of England, and that he did not assist him in his hour of trial. There is, however, no ground for the accusation that Innocent XI was informed of the designs which William of Orange had upon England, much less that he supported him in the overthrow of James II. "

[aquart]

4. Marching season, is it? Well, thank God.

If the Irish can get along, there's hope for everyone.