Dean's Osama Oops

[robbedvoter]

Dean's Osama oops

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/149573p-131822c.html

By JOHN A. OSWALD
DAILY NEWS DEPUTY NATIONAL EDITOR


Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean quickly clarified comments yesterday that he won't judge Osama Bin Laden without a trial.

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It took the former Vermont governor a few hours after the story got picked up on the Internet and on wire services to realize that even if the American way is "innocent until proven guilty," it might not be a courtesy extended the terror mastermind.

Dean later told The Associated Press, "As an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves."

snip
The Bin Laden gaffe was just the latest in a string of Dean statements that he later found himself clarifying. The most infamous one has been his pining on the campaign trail for the votes of Southerners with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks.

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"I'm just like every other American, I think the guy is outrageous," he insisted.
Originally published on December 27, 2003

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[Democrats unite]

1. Open mouth foot automatically inserts...

Is Dean going to get the paton on this?

[liberalnurse]

3. Oh , Oh Oh

so insightful and informative.....Thank you for sharing your scarcasm and .......

[Democrats unite]

4. My pleasure.

eom

[Rose Siding]

10. What's a "paton"?

[Rose Siding]

2. Obviously an editorial

but always fun to see who values opinions at the ny daily news!

[robbedvoter]

Editorial? Plentu of quotes from HD! And the implied fact that

AP PULLED THE STORY FROM PRINT!!!!
I'd say, he's got the power!

[Rose Siding]

8. Can you read that second paragraph you snipped...

and actually say that it is reporting?

Someone's been watching too much Inside Edition.

[robbedvoter]

11. Second paragraph is a quote from the original article - was here

AP KILLED that story - I wonder why?

[Ernesto]

5. LBN?

Appears to be a Clark partisan's hatchet job to me.

[robbedvoter]

7. Yup. The Daily news is Clark directed. The AP - another story

Anyway, how will this story play next summer when W comes to be nominated at Ground Zero? Hopefully, not at all....

[Dhalgren]

6. Goddamnit! I am no Dean supporter,but

I am for "innocent until proven guilty" for ANYONE! Screw a bunch of knee-jerk know-it-alls! If we get Osama, he should be given as fair a trial as possible and only then sentenced to an appropriate finding. This idea that "hey, kill 'em all and let god (goddess) sort 'en out" is for the birds! I agree with Dean's earlier statement!

[robbedvoter]

9. But he disagrees with his earlier statement now...so, you're out of luck

He agrees with W now.

[Dhalgren]

12. Yeah, I know. This actually makes me less

a Dean supporter than before.

[Rose Siding]

13. No- let's get it straight

He expressed his own personal feelings and was clear in saying that the executive must honor the rule of law.

This delerium everytime Dean draws breath is hilarious, but...um, on-line contribs are up by well over a hundred grand! It's all good.

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. He should call for the death of more people, he'll raise millions

Voters love blood!

[Rose Siding]

16. I know you're smart and you're just having fun

but in case- The donations are not in response to anything to do with this osama story or voters who love blood. But money does comes in when the press gets breathless in it's dissection of phrases taken out of context and spun into absurdity.

[DuctapeFatwa]

20. Do you think donations would be up if the press were

breathless because he had just promised to repeal both Patriot acts?

[Rose Siding]

30. Yes

If they count mine.

Did you see Al Gore's last speech? He called for the repeal of the P.A. and I've written the Dean campaign numerous times to address the issue in the terms that Gore did. I was glad when he endorsed Dean and I'm hopeful that it has been a topic between them.

[DuctapeFatwa]

33. I acknowledge your zeal, I'm sure you would support him

even if he promised to release the Guantanamo victims and all the disappeared, but with all respect, you are not the average voter.

The average voter wants Rapture, Armageddon, crackdown on "anti-American sentiment, and more of this:

"...the former Vermont governor declared that, while the United States should become more engaged, he did not have any fundamental objections with President George W. Bush’s policies...

When asked by the Jewish newspaper Forward late last year as to whether he supported APN’s perspective, Governor Dean replied "No, my view is closer to AIPAC's view."..

He also rejects calls by APN and other liberal Zionist groups that Israel’s requested $12 billion loan guarantee be linked to an Israeli freeze on constructing additional illegal settlements on confiscated Palestinian land, arguing that such aid should instead be unconditional...

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0226-04.htm

[Rose Siding]

36. The average voter also wants

a good job, health care and education for our children. It is possible. And if we get a pres that doesn't play to the lowest in us, all the more likely.

And I'll bet if Leno took his mike onto the Blvd and asked the "average voter" about the Rapture and Armageddon, the answers would involve bands or car models.

The ME is a delicate situation for an American pol seeking nat'l office, as you know. The linked article is dated, and since it appears that Dean allows himself to listen and consider both sides, I wouldn't close my mind to him. The fact that Pelosi and crew jumped all over his comments about being fair, and his ability to smooth those feathers without changing the meaning of what was said, is in his plus column for me.

[worldgonekrazy]

18. BS, he got taken to task by America-hating right wingers

And yes, that includes Kerry and Gephardt, IMO.

I believe Dean didn't realize that it is controversial to say that the United States ought to abide by the principles the nation was founded on. Apparently these days that is not a given.

We're fucked.

[Scott Lee]

28. Where?

I've read his statements. There is no contradiction. He said Ossama deserves the death penalty and I'm sure he does....IF he's found guilty.

Did you see Dean proclaim that he is absolutely against due process and any trial in this case?

Why no, no you didn't.

[sugarman]

15. party unity....

I know comment such as these will provide bushco with ammo in the coming fall. We need our fellow Dem candidates to refrain from attacking each other for this reason I have started a petition urging the dems to do this. Sign the petitions and tell your friends. This is grass roots activism....

http://thiscause.org/p/read.php?petition=Khandwalla04021

[Ernesto]

21. The voice of reason!

Instead of Rovian cheap shots, Democratic unity is much needed @ this time. There is a GD forum for primary partinship around here. The author of this thread reminds me of Nixon publicly stating that he "would take the high road & not mention Thomas Eagleton's past emotional problems durring the camaign". Nixon repeated this statement over & over & over again......BTW, sugarman, welcome! Stick around cause we need ya here!........ Oh yeah, I ain't no Deaniac...I'm just an old DEMOCRAT that has plenty of miles on my chasis.

[worldgonekrazy]

17. By God, I've seen the light!

Let's just forget about that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing, since it obviously isn't politically expedient. Hell, we could apply this to the War on Drugs as well. Military tribunals and secret executions. What the hell is Dean thinking trying to speak up against this?

[jamesinca]

24. Your right we need to throw out the Constitution

It is some old outdated piece of sCRAP paper that needs to be revisited and made modern. We also need to put Reagan on the dime, we need pre-emptive war, we need less god hating pot smoking fags, to hell with all Jews. Mostly we need to get rid of all the McCarthey hating communist. That will make America better, Strom Thurmond had the right idea. Speaking of him, we need Colored and White bathrooms and Rosa Parks should have be lynched.

Is that what you people really want? I agree with you worldgonekrazy. If any one of these people that are bashing Dean, for believing in that part of the Constitution, can sit and explain to me why the Constitution is wrong I am willing to listen. That is an open invitation people, flame away. Tell me what is wrong with a person saying they believe in the Constitution? This is what we hate in part about Bush, his lack of regard for the Constitution. We get somebody runnig for president and he is bashed for believing in the Constitution. When you finally decide what you want in this country it may help you decide what is right orwrong with the Constitution.

[Scott Lee]

27. Yeah, freedom was getting boring anyway.

[worldgonekrazy]

29. And everyone knows "innocent until proven guilty"...

just lets a bunch of guilty guys go free. Better to execute a thousand innocent men than let one guilty one walk, right?

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[4dsc]

22. What Dean stated should be the rule

not the exception. All people should be innocent until found guilty.

Nothing Dean stated was wrong!!

[robbedvoter]

23. Which statement - the first one or the second one? You'd have to pick

since they contradict each other. See?

"I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials," he said.

It took the former Vermont governor a few hours after the story got picked up on the Internet and on wire services to realize that even if the American way is "innocent until proven guilty," it might not be a courtesy extended the terror mastermind.

Dean later told The Associated Press, "As an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves."

[worldgonekrazy]

31. Don't be an ass

You know Dean only "moderated" what he said previously because he had to since the right wing press (and right-wing Democrats) jumped all over him. Apparently it is not okay to say that you believe in the rule of law anymore.

[robbedvoter]

34. Moderated? "I want to make sure he gets the death penalty?"

"I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials," he said.

It took the former Vermont governor a few hours after the story got picked up on the Internet and on wire services to realize that even if the American way is "innocent until proven guilty," it might not be a courtesy extended the terror mastermind.

Dean later told The Associated Press, "As an American, I want to make sure he gets the death penalty he deserves."

[AliceWonderland]

25. Dear god, I don't understand this

To me, it has nothing to do with Dean one way or the other, it has to do with the fact that this is even an issue. What, calling for a free and fair trial and judicial process is controversial now? Once more, with feeling: rights don't exist only for the people we like/choose. If that's the case, they're not rights, they're merely an exercise of arbitrary power.

Not to mention that barely a gosh-darned thing has ever been legally proven about Sept. 11 so far, and we don't even know what happened or who did it and how. All the more reason for a judicial process.

Crap. What country am I living in again?

[Scott Lee]

26. You are correct.

That terrible Howard Dean, standing up for Due Process. I don't know what country this is anymore, either. Apparently even so called "democrats" have a distaste for our basic rights.

[worldgonekrazy]

32. Nazi Germany

Crap. What country am I living in again?

[PSR40004]

35. You guys do know olsama has admitted to it...

I'm not sure how "up" some of you are on olsama but he's put out video's stating it was him that put together the crime... I think we have a confession by the mastermind it's not alittle beyond a presidental canidate to goto to the next step IMO and start talking of the penalty phase of the case. I'm not sure if Dean didn't know of olsama's confession or is pandering to the far left but it's not going to garner the guy any votes. I have posted before about being a dean leaning person but I'm really starting to worry about him.
It might be time to seriously consider someone else. It's a shame I like his stance on guns, taxes and SSI but I have never fully stood behind his stance on the war (I'm more pro war on terror), maybe lieberman is my next "lean" :) .


While everyone deserves a trial in this case the person has admitted to the crime. At this point it's not so much "if" olsama did it but what happens when he's caught.

[Teaser]

37. That's it people. Tear each other apart.

After all, it's not as if infighting is going to hurt us in November of next year, is it?

[robbedvoter]

38. Each other? It's HD vs HD here - pick the one you like

These are his words - PUBLICLY expressed. RNC is coming to Ground Zero to nominate W - you want us to have THIS agaist him?
Primaries didn't start yet - still time to pick a viable candidate.

[jamesinca]

40. What is the problem with giving somebody a trial?

What is the hang up with the constitution and those that want it followed? Even in a capital case you are entitled to a trial. I have cut and pasted the article and put a few helpful reading clues in there for those that don't read to well. If the Governor said it, give him credit for it, but don't give him credit for it because it was somebody elses words.

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By JOHN A. OSWALD
DAILY NEWS DEPUTY NATIONAL EDITOR

Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean quickly clarified comments yesterday that he won't judge Osama Bin Laden without a trial.

( This is a quote from him, not some BS comeing from the paper)
"I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found," Dean told New Hampshire's Concord Monitor.

(This is another quote from him, not some BS coming from the paper)
"I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials," he said.

(This is f---ed BS coming from the paper, not Gov. Dean, that you should not focus on)
It took the former Vermont governor a few hours after the story got picked up on the Internet and on wire services to realize that even if the American way is---(this part is from Gov. Dean)---"innocent until proven guilty,"---(This is the f---ed up BS coming from the reporter that is not to be focused on)---it might not be a courtesy extended the terror mastermind.

[young_at_heart]

39. It would be nice if the media did this to Bush

He has had umpteen "gaffes" ("bring 'em on" comes to mind) and for some unexplained reason it never seems to be a problem for him....he can say whatever he wants. Dean, or any other Dem candidate is raked under the coals.....WHY?

[usregimechange]

41. If he is found alive he shoud be "innocent until proven guilty"

Justice must be for all, without exception. Now if he puts up a fight pump him full of lead.

[Moderator]

42. Not LBN... locking.

This is essentially an editorial piece, and doesn't really qualify as Latest Breaking News.

There are already several existing LBN threads about the various aspects of Dean's Bin Laden comments. Please feel free to post this article in the General Discussion: 2004 Primary forum.

Thanks!

DU Moderator