$27M Creation Museum Prepares For Grand Opening Weekend

[Up2Late]

Source: WCPO - Channel 9

May 25, 2007 6:27 PM

$27M Creation Museum Prepares For Grand Opening Weekend

Posted By: Bill Price

Updated @ 5:15 p.m. Reporter Bill Price:

Over a decade and millions of dollars in the making, the new Creation Museum is preparing for its grand opening over the Memorial Day weekend. The continuing national debate between evolution and creationism is expected to be played out again with the museum's opening.

Even though the Creation Museum won't formally open to the public until Monday, it’s been busy all week, with charter members and contributors coming from all over the Midwest and east to see this museum for themselves. This weekend, protesters are also expected there, as well.

As workers hurried to put the finishing touches on the $27 million museum, we saw thousands of supporters going through the dozens of biblical exhibits during a special preview.

A ministry called "Answers in Genesis" came up with the idea for the museum and raised the money to build it.

Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4b24c0fa-17f6-4622-a62a-891b50d2c142

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Thank you GOP for giving the world one more reason to laugh at us here.

[krispos42]

1. Just what we need... a lasting legacy of ignorance

We'll be the laughingstock of the civilized world for years to come. Are they putting the Museum of Global Cooling next to it? And where oh where will the Holocaust Denial Center go?

[poverlay]

2. Ouch, you beat me to the denier center. Oh well. I'll just pretend it didn't happen... n/t

[krispos42]

3. I keep my keyboard in a quick-draw holster! :-) n/t

[Kool Kitty]

4. It'll go up right next to the

building housing "The Flat-Earth Society", otherwise known as the Republican Party Headquarters.

[krispos42]

29. Here's a visual aid...

http://resistir.info.nyud.net:8090/energia/imagens/flat_earth.jpg

There was an old "Bloom County" cartoon about evolution on trial. A fundie 'expert' on the stand 'proves' that penguin evolution is a myth. The prosecuting attorney says thank you, and the fundie goes "And the Earth's not flat, either!" The prosecuting attorney tries to shut him up, but the fundie says "Nope! It's shaped like a giant burrito!"

:rofl:

[Cobalt-60]

12. Next to the Vegan T-Rex

[krispos42]

28. Vegan T-Rex with an Egyptian riding on top n/t

[Cobalt-60]

168. If Ramses had T-Rex cavalry it was

not mentioned by those liberal writers of the Old Testament.

[Joe Bacon]

17. Right next to the images of Jesus in fried cheese sandwiches!

The whole world is laughing at the mass stupidity of the Jesusbots.

[HughBeaumont]

35. Well, two major landmarks in DC are named after Ronald Reagan now.

So really, no depth surprises me. Not even when something gets named after the Failure Fuhrer.

[krispos42]

41. Two? Reagan National is one.. what's the other one? n/t

[HughBeaumont]

42. Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center.

Fitting, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Building

At the time it was built, the Ronald Reagan Building was the most expensive federal building ever constructed. The total cost was $768 million. As a Federal office building, it is second in size only to the Pentagon. It's naming caused some controversy, as Ronald Reagan was considered a champion of small government, and this building was seen as an example of government waste.

It's funny . . . whenever I visit, usually every time I walk past it hardly anyone is in there except maybe a few workers.

[krispos42]

43. "A champion of small government"?

I guess defense spending is not part of the government, then? Or does 'small' only refer to the tax receipts, and not outlays?

[Occulus]

179. what an unbelieveably ostentatious display

Neon lighting? Puh-LEEEZE.

And talk about gaudy. Bleeeaaagh.

[silverojo]

180. There is no "civilized world" anymore

Right-wing religious kooks are spreading thick and fast throughout Europe, etc. These cretins will hail this as the greatest museum ever.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Socal31]

189. Hmm...

I sure dont believe someone with a magic wand in the sky created us...but if you check your facts, there is a SHITLOAD of people around the world that do believe in a higher "power." More than one religion is even using it as a pretext for war. (Bush, extremeist Muslims)

[Scooter24]

5. This looks like another money-making gimmick to me...

A family of 4 wanting to go to museum will pay $80 to get in.

[okoboji]

11. yep

Admission

* Adult (13-59 yrs) $19.95
* Senior (60 yrs & up) $14.95
* Children (5-12 yrs) $9.95
* Children (under 5 yrs) Free

* Planetarium with admission, $5


the local zoo is cheaper than this....

[krispos42]

27. Planetarium?!?!?!?

"And see here, boys and girls, the stars are really Tinkerbell's family. And each time you touch yourself, one of them dies a horrible death."

[Cobalt-60]

13. Preying on the weak and stupid

[JohnnyLib2]

6. The nearest Ohio River casino is about 12 miles away.

Ya pays your money, ya takes your chances.

[okoboji]

7. $27 million museum

wow .... that money could have gone to adopting children, or heath care for children. but no, they had to spend it on a "false idol"

where is the wrath of god when you need it?

[Whoa_Nelly]

8. Please. Everyone. Take a walk-through

O My Fucking Dog! :rofl:

I laugh, but the whole concept and the artistic renderings are a bit disturbing.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/walkthrough/



# 17

First Shedding of Blood

The horror! All a result of disobeying one simple command in God’s Word. Yet God is love. He promised a Redeemer through Eve that would bring salvation. But the only way to cover our sin is the horrific death of an innocent substitute.

When God clothed Adam and Eve, it required the first animal death, a picture of the promised Lamb of God.

[okoboji]

9. would you get kicked out

for excessive laughter?


here's a funny one .... "Imagine soaring cypress trees, the sounds of waterfalls and children playing with dinosaurs! What other surprises await?"

[okoboji]

10. they actually believe this???

Bible Authority Room

The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God's authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history-including six-day creation and Noah's Flood-is ‘willfully’ ignorant.


So, if Noah's Flood is true, we are descendants from incestuous relationships?

[anotherdrew]

45. they're twisted freaks with adult bodies and the minds of abused children, may a god help them n/t

[krispos42]

31. "The sounds of children playing with dinosaurs"

crunch crunch crunch *gulp*

[FVZA_Colonel]

176. In all seriousness, how many people do you think will be going to this place stoned?

Because I imagine that it would be an experience like no other.

[Cobalt-60]

14. I couldn't make it

At first i thought the gods would curse me for looking at such an idiot thing.
But Thor couldn't stop laughing long enough to smite me.

[Up2Late]

15. OMG! Some of this is just insulting and bigoted.

Part 33:

The Cross

The most incredible event in history—told by a Gentile.
The room darkens as a Roman centurion comes to life, sharing a gripping
tale of a Man who claimed to be God and was hung on a tree to die.

The Jerusalem scene vanishes, as 3-D dioramas show the ‘Last Adam’ pay
for the first Adam’s sin and then rise from the grave to conquer death.
Our certainty that Adam once lived in a sinless Garden assures us that
God will ‘restore’ all things with a new heaven and Earth!

Or

Part 27

The Great Flood

Don’t panic! Inside the Ark you’re safe from the raging storm.
But tread carefully along the shifting floor, under the flickering lanterns.
It’s certainly not a pleasure cruise or child’s fairytale!

No, it's not a "child’s fairytale," IT'S A FABLE! Look it up!

[krispos42]

30. Ooo, lookie here...

Explore the wonders of creation. The imprint of the Creator is all around us. And the Bible’s clear—heaven and earth in six 24-hour days, earth before sun, birds before lizards.

Other surprises are just around the corner. Adam and apes share the same birthday. The first man walked with dinosaurs and named them all!

God’s Word is true, or evolution is true. No millions of years. There’s no room for compromise.

Can't even say that the 'days' god used were longer than 24 hours. Like, maybe, if God was revealing how the Universe was created to some nomatic goat herder, it would LOOK like it took a day. Like maybe the Big Bang to 4.5 billion years later, when fast-forwarded, looked like Genesis.

And please note that when God made man, he didn't say "it was good" like he did for all of the other creations!

[Ferretherder]

49. Six, 24- hour days. And just WHAT would have happened if, say,...

...life could have somehow flourished on Mars, instead of Earth - length of Martian day = 24.7 hours; or Venus - length of Venusian day = 2,802.0 hours.

Jesus is shaking his head and saying, 'Me!'.

[City Lights]

48. OMG! "Them Dry Bones"

Them Dry Bones

One set of bones, two interpretations. How can two paleontologists, digging the same dinosaur fossil in the field, reach opposite conclusions?

The answer: starting points. Fossils don’t come with labels. We must begin with assumptions! But which is correct?

:rofl:

[snooper2]

16. bet you $300

That 4 out of 5 people who go there can't find Iraq on a map

[gobblechops]

18. just wow

Explore the wonders of creation. The imprint of the Creator is all around us. And the Bible’s clear—heaven and earth in six 24-hour days, earth before sun, birds before lizards.

Other surprises are just around the corner. Adam and apes share the same birthday. The first man walked with dinosaurs and named them all!

God’s Word is true, or evolution is true. No millions of years. There’s no room for compromise.


and they want to teach this crap in school.:rofl:


on edit i just found out this was in my state holy crap we will never get science funding now,just sad

[Judi Lynn]

19. AP story: New Bible-based museum has dinosaurs

May 26, 2007, 2:23AM
New Bible-based museum has dinosaurs

By DYLAN T. LOVAN Associated Press Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

PETERSBURG, Ky. — Adam and Eve fall from grace and Noah survives an epic flood at a new museum that tells the Bible's version of history on a theme-park scale. But the scene near the front lobby might stop a puzzled paleontologist in his tracks: a pair of ancient children frolic just a few feet away from a group of friendly dinosaurs. That exhibit, among others, has earned the Creation Museum notoriety among skeptics and anticipation from believers who are expected to pack its halls when it opens on Memorial Day.

"We wanted to show people there's no mystery with dinosaurs, we can explain them," said Ken Ham, founder of the nonprofit ministry Answers in Genesis that built the $27 million facility near Cincinnati.

Scientists say there's a gulf of millions of years between man and the giant lizards, but according to the Creation Museum, they lived in harmony just a few thousand years ago. It's part of the literal interpretation of the Bible adopted by Ham and other creationists.
(snip)

The museum also contains fossils, hung in large glass cases in a room visitors spill into after taking a tour of Old Testament history. Ham said most fossils were created by the massive flood detailed in the book of Genesis.

More:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4838445.html

[panzerfaust]

20. Celebrate the Glory of God,

... demonstrate the power of ignorance.

Truly, the sun and stars DO go around the earth. Just look up at the sky and have the courage and faith to believe your own eyes and God's Holy Word!

Also so truly faithed is that each creature was created in its so obvious perfection by the Big Guy in the Clouds.

QED.

[mwb970]

192. The blind ignorance on display at this "museum" is frightening.

This place sucks knowledge out of people's heads, replacing it with myths and false beliefs - exactly the opposite of what a school does. This is what America needs?

We could still have a great country if fewer of our citizens were mindless fools.

[OneBlueSky]

21. kind of a Disneyworld for dingbats, huh? . . . n/t

.

[Auggie]

22. ROFL

:rofl:

And I don't know why. Ignorance is destroying the world.

[mainer]

23. Isn't anyone else itching to see it? I am.

But then, I really, really want to visit Area 57 too.

[Up2Late]

33. Uh, I don't think the Heinz Ketchup people would mind showing you the Heinz 57 production line.

I think you mean Area 51.

Btw, they have a good satellite picture of it now on Google Maps, here's the link:

<http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&q=Area+51&ll=37.258069,-115.793324&spn=0.092497,0.160675&t=k&z=13&om=1>

[mainer]

169. heheh -- you're right. Don't know why I typed that

or maybe I was thinking of a juicy hamburger

[CGrantt57]

24. Edited out of the "official" story

Sources close to the museum say that this will be the largest crowd of dumbfucks gathered in one place since the last State of the Union speech by the president.

[krispos42]

It may well be the largest gathering of mullets in recent memory

Look out for Spaghetti-Os in old Cool-Whip containers, Camaros, and Confederate flags a-plenty.

[HughBeaumont]

36. Westlake Ohio had a pretty large collection of dumbfucks when The Failure Fuhrer spoke here in 2004.

22 thousand people. I was thoroughly ashamed.

That is, until we more than doubled their attendance when John Kerry spoke near Public Square.

[anotherdrew]

46. maybe they'll achieve critical mass of dumbfucks and implode? n/t

[Tyler Durden]

25. We have become the "blondes" of the world.

Wait a minute, let me offer my apologies to any blondes in the audience.

Comparing this level of stupidity to silly hair color preconceptions is like comparing a supernova to a match.

Here's to the United States! Providing material for comedians all over the world.

[hyphenate]

26. Just as a sideline article

The following page leads you to comments from the Ohio area about the museum. I really think SOMEONE--excuse me--a LOT of people, need to expand their education in order to think like real human beings.

I personally think it's an absolute disgrace that people believe this shit. I think Falwell should have died forty years ago, and taken Pat Robertson with him on his trip to hell. Because our country is fast approaching the dregs of ignorance by letting them influence the way science is taught in schools in order to let this kind of mind-numbing schlock in any way exist.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/comments/threadView.asp?threadid=250

[mwb970]

193. Faulty "thinking" on display.

I really think SOMEONE--excuse me--a LOT of people, need to expand their education in order to think like real human beings.

You mean like this fellow?

I was taught in public school that evolution was fact. TV shows, like those shown on PBS taught evolution to me as a child as 'FACT'. Imagine my surprise when in my late teens that I learned that evolution was just a theory and still an unproven theory, at that! The more I have studied the subject, the more convinced I am that evolution is a sorry lie at best and that creation (sic) makes far more sense. I was duped by the public school system and by TV. When I was younger I bought the evolutionary dogma hook line and sinker, but the problem was I was ignorant and uneducated as to the facts. And those preaching evolution had no intent for me to know the facts, but to keep me uninformed. I no longer believe in evolution and I totally believe in creation. Now, a 6000+ year old earth makes far more sense to me and with each new thing I learn in regards to this subject I now know just how ridiculous is the support for evolution. Take for example, fossils, they do far more to prove

Fortunately, the poster hit the character limit at this point and the rest is mercifully missing.

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34. On a related note:

"Military's involvement criticized over event's Christian orientation"

The Air Force will still do jet flybys this weekend over the "Task Force Patriot Salute to The Troops" event at Stone Mountain Park despite criticism from a group that says the military's involvement violates the Constitution because the event is Christian-oriented.

This is the fourth year of the event by Stone Mountain Park, but the first year that Lawrenceville-based Task Force Patriot USA has been involved. The group, whose leaders could not be reached for comment, scheduled a number of Christian speakers, including Air Force Maj. Brian "Jeth-ro" Neal, a B-2 bomber pilot.

Neal is quoted on the Task Force Patriot Web site saying: "The work you are doing on behalf of the veterans of this great nation is both honorable and commendable. What better way to stay in the fight than to be serving alongside other veterans in the army of the Lord."

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2007/05/25/0526metflyby.html

[Dukkha]

37. it's nothing that the right amount of kerosene can't fix

amazing how much they cherish their willful stupidity.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

38. bet the daily show's there

can't wait to see what they do with it next week

[Beartracks]

39. Where's the sense of allegory?

Exactly how long is a day when the sun doesn't exist yet? The truth may certainly be that God created the universe, the Earth, and us.... but that truth does NOT necessarily extend to the "facts" of the "story" that is used to explain His involvement.

Reminds me of a shirt I've seen:
"God works in mysterious ways. He does not need you to beat me over the head with Him." (http://www.cafepress.com/tulsatees/1756693)

It does a rather a big disservice to God to presume that just because WE don't understand, say, how the universe was formed, that God must have made it happen by magically snapping his fingers. Give the Guy some credit. Does it REALLY diminish His involvement to acknowledge that the complex processes of physics and biology are how He chose to create everything?

Why are so many Christians hung up on the so-called literal truth (i.e. the human-written, several-times-translated words) of the Bible? I don't remember any 11th Commandment instructing God's followers to believe in a 6-day creation... That's really rather unimportant to whether or not you are living a good Christian life. And how come dinosaurs weren't mention in Genesis...? And how would any boat with all those big thunder lizards -- built to the exacting specifications described in the Book -- float? Was it like Snoopy's doghouse: bigger on the inside?

I always thought of "God's Word" as the universal truths of right vs. wrong, love your neighbor as yourself, etc. -- you know, the tenets of good living, of a life that is worthy in the eyes of God or whatever higher power you may or may not acknowledge. It is contained in the lessons we learn from the Bible and other sacred texts. God's Word as such is in the *meaning* of the stories of the Bible, and some of these stories may have a historical basis, many of them are philosophical in nature, and some of them are simply allegorical. The actual "words" contained within the Bible were provided by humans over many centuries; they are not actually "God's words." Pay attention to what the stories MEAN, not what they SAY. Ask yourself, "What is it I'm supposed to learn from this story?" God deserves greater respect than to presume that the Bible is just a history book that people are supposed to memorize. He blessed us with intelligence and reason -- let's use them.

[mwb970]

194. You are making *way* too much sense here.

Anti-intellectual religious types will never, never respond in any way to an argument based on reason, knowledge, logic, and wisdom. Just ask Al Gore!

[entanglement]

40. "T. rex—the real king of the beasts. That’s the terror that Adam’s sin unleashed!"

:rofl:

[anotherdrew]

44. damn shame if something happened to this creation museum, I predict a tornado within 3 years

will level it

[Vinca]

47. After reading the thread about the dinosaurs on Noah's Ark,

if I was anywhere in the neighborhood I'd visit this place. I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.:rofl:

[Tab]

50. New museum says dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark

Source: Reuters


...
But only at the Creation Museum in Kentucky do the dinosaurs sail on the ship -- Noah's Ark, to be precise.

The Christian creators of the sprawling museum, unveiled on Saturday, hope to draw as many as half a million people each year to their state-of-the-art project, which depicts the Bible's first book, Genesis, as literal truth.

While the $27 million museum near Cincinnati has drawn snickers from media and condemnation from U.S. scientists, those who believe God created the heavens and the Earth in six days about 6,000 years ago say their views are finally being represented.

"What we've done here is to give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available ... to challenge them that really you can believe the Bible's history," said Ken Ham, president of the group Answers in Genesis that founded the museum.

Here exhibits show the Grand Canyon took just days to form during Noah's flood, dinosaurs coexisted with humans and had a place on Noah's Ark, and Cain married his sister to people the earth, among other Biblical wonders.

More...

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070526/us_nm/usa_museum_dc

[ret5hd]

51. I GET IT!!!...

Noah's ark was a REALLY early version of Dr. Who's phone booth!

[acmavm]

79. I don't know about that but didn't you hear Dueling Banjos in the

background as you were reading that article?

[HughBeaumont]

116. Close. I felt like my family tree straightened.

It's kind of the same feeling I get whenever I drive South of the Cleveland area or am ever in Southern Ohio.

[Bitwit1234]

52. Where's the proof there was a flood and there was an Ark???

is that taken for granted also.

[Deja Q]

59. Maybe the dinos knew how to build boats before the asteroid hit?

:shrug:

[krispos42]

110. There was most definately an Ark

I saw it in the trailers for "Evan Almighty", so it must be true!

[Beartracks]

165. No, it's not taken for granted...

The belief is that if it's in the Bible, that IS the proof.

[wakeme2008]

53. IMHO somebody will lose a lot of money on this

:rofl:

[Possumpoint]

57. I Don't Think So

Though I think the whole premise is as stupid as a box of rocks. This concept will fly better then you think in the Bible belt. There a large number of people who base their whole belief system in the Bible.

Facts don't seem to sway them. Religious belief rules.

[Decruiter]

98. And two of every rock...

[yellowcanine]

187. Hard to say. If it is as infantile as Hovind's (Dr. Dino) Dinosaur Adventure Land, it might not do

so well. My understanding of Hovind's little theme park it is that it is quite lame, and there is nothing like lame to depress turnout of the young.

[B3Nut]

196. Ah, the Bible Belt

where you're likely to find people who act like frightened, terrified, agressive, and territorial little animals, yet who refuse to believe that they evolved from one.

(saw that in someone's sig on a bass player forum, thought it was funny...)

:D

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[asjr]

60. Or make a lot of money. The fundamentalists will

flock to the museum taking their children with them to "learn the truth." Allah forbid the moslems opening their own museum. They would be run out of town on a rail.

[wakeme2008]

71. Be real you are going to take your kids on a vacation to "near Cincinnati "

to see a Museum?

[mwb970]

115. Sure, if it's the only one telling the "truth"!

It's like the way the righties all watch Fox Noise because all the other news sources (besides Rush and Sean) are lying!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

94. Dinosaurs used to shop at

Walmart..... I've got proof.

They also didn't believe hair coloring was approved by the good book.

[BrotherBuzz]

119. "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

H.L. Mencken

[Richard Steele]

54. Ahem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/503682.stm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

159. Maybe a biblical cubit is = mile.

:think:

[patricia92243]

55. I was always taught that there could be millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Gen, 1:2. There

is no descrepency between the Bible and science - just people that don't understand the Bible.

[Deja Q]

63. Yeah but genesis also talks of Adam and Eve and their TWO offspring,

Cain and Abel.

Cain kills Abel.

Uh, so how does humanity get beyond little psycho lonesome Cain? (The original Oedipus complex? :wow: )

[mainer]

66. Adam and Eve had more than just two sons

If you read Genesis, you'll find out they also had a son named Seth, plus other unnamed sons and daughters. Seth was supposed to be a "good" son, and in fact I think Noah was descended from Seth.

still, you can't get around that incest issue, since brothers had to be mating with their sisters for there to be descendants.

[northzax]

73. given the fact that Eve was a clone of Adam

I don't think incest was a big issue.

[uberllama42]

85. But when Seth is born, it's a huge deal

Why is he so much more important than the other children of Adam and Eve? Whoever this supposed daughter was who married Cain, she must not have been important enough to mention. I seriously doubt that Eve would give birth to a daughter around the same time as Cain and Abel and that would not be mentioned.

[lolly]

89. Seth represented a sort of New Beginning

I believe Seth was born after the Cain/Abel stuff hit the fan.

He seems to be a symbol of hope, of regeneration after a great disaster (like the repopulation after the flood several generations later).

As for outmarrying, this gets confusing, but apparently there WERE other humans--in exile, Cain found a wifey in The Land of Nod, or someplace. Don't know exactly where they came from in the Adam - Rib = Eve story.

[OnionPatch]

184. This always troubled me

back when I was more of a "believer." I think it may have been one of the clinchers in my suspicion that the Bible may not be totally accurate. The fact that Cain was able to find a wife in some other land populated by people??!!??

[patricia92243]

68. They went on to have several children.

[NickB79]

96. But it also says Cain was exiled to the land of Canaan

Where he started a new race known as the Canannites, and who the Hebrews later wiped out after Moses led them out of Egypt. Who did Cain start a family with if he were exiled out into the wilderness by himself? There's no mention of one of his sisters going along with him.

[coalition_unwilling]

97. Not to mention the little issue of incest. Brings to mind a great

graffiti I once saw: "The family that plays together stays together" :)

[krispos42]

111. Vice is nice, but incest is best! n/t

[StarryNite]

150. Yeah, God didn't like it that Cain

didn't leave him a blood sacrifice. That Christian god is quite a character!

[mcscajun]

154. Looking around the world, I'm not sure humanity ever 'got beyond' Cain.

Take another look.

[theoldman]

65. Right, we just don't know how to read.

[Name removed]

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[CATagious]

109. do you know of a good book....

(no pun inetended,lol) that you could recommend that details the original source(es)of many of the Bible's ideas. I know other earlier religions also had great flood stories. I'm sure there are many, I guess I could search Amazon.

Thanks!

[karlrschneider]

123. Not exactly what you asked for but this site is interesting

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

:-)

[CATagious]

142. ahh yes....

I have been to this site a few years ago.... thanks for reminding me of it.

[Tansy_Gold]

135. I can recommend two

Leonard Shlain's "The Alphabet vs. The Goddess: The conflict between word and image." 1998, Penguin/Arkana. Should be readily available in any decent-sized bookstore, and I'm sure you can get it a dozen places online.

Anne Baring and Jules Cashford's "The Myth of the Goddess: Evolution of an image." 1991, Viking; 1993, Penguin/Arkana.

These are my favorites as far as having a lot of good information and being intellectually accessible for those who don't have a background in archaeology, anthropology, sociology, etc. There are lots of others, however.

Tansy Gold

[CATagious]

141. Cool! thanks...

I'll check those out and I am looking for something that the layman can understand easily enough.

[Igel]

136. The documentation is fairly spotty, to be honest.

In historical linguistics, there's the problem of deciding how important the first attestation of a word is in determining how old the word is. It's a problem because some words can go for centuries before being written down, and there are cases when the first attestation of a word is in a language it was borrowed into.

But there are cases where it's damned difficult to tell the direction of borrowing, and first attestation is, then, basically a trap to sucker first-year grad students. By the second year of a historical linguistics program, they've been told this enough that they've started to understand when evidence says nothing.

In the case of myths, if you find that one tribe wrote down a myth a millennium before a second tribe did, you actually know less than you think about which tribe originated the myth (if either). You'd really have to have good documentation from both tribes to determine the direction of borrowing, in the absence of words or figures that make absolutely no linguistic or cultural sense in one of the tribe's traditions.

Anthropologists and Bible scholars as of the 1960s were totally oblivious to the logical niceties worked out by linguists 150 years before, and many still haven't worked it out.

[CATagious]

140. aahhh... good points

and I think I understood the gist of what you were getting at. Pretty much, if two religions share the same legend, it is not necessarily true that the newer religion borrowed it from the older one. The older one could have added it after the newer religion came about and because of the age of both, there may not be reliable documentation that proves that the older religion had it prior to the newer coming into existence. Or something like that.

[uberllama42]

81. There are multiple discrepancies between the bible and science

For instance, the Old Testament takes it for granted in several places that the world is flat and that the sun moves around the Earth. This is what the Hebrews thought, and so it is never questioned.

Educated Christians never believed that the world was flat, but the ancient Hebrews were highly provincial and backward. Their cosmology is as primitive as that of any other ancient religion.

[Zhade]

118. No discrepancies? So... the sun DOES revolve around Earth?

Rabbits have cloven hooves?

No discrepencies...

:rofl:

[Igel]

137. So was I.

Quite a few non-evangelical/non-fundamentalist, evangelical/non-fundamentalist, non-evangelic/fundamentalist, and evangelic/fundmentalist denominations that are 'old earthers'. The verb in Gen 1:2 can easily be inchoative, and should be taken that way.

[The Stranger]

139. The bible is fiction.

That is how you understand the bible.

[LeftyMom]

148. Except that pi is not 3, whales are not fish, rabbits do not chew cud and bats are not birds.

Just off of the top of my head.

[Solly Mack]

56. so did the dinosaurs come 2 by 2 or 7 by 7?

[Deja Q]

61. 7 by 7 implies there was a big explosion of dino orgy goin' on...

:yoiks:

[Solly Mack]

70. In this picture the dinosaurs have already left the ark to have their orgy

[ixion]

58. religion is not 'informational', as such

so it really shouldn't be allowed to use the moniker: "information", as in "information that is not readily available." Information is factual, and nothing more.

[Deja Q]

64. Information inferred from existing facts.

That's why our modern science isn't 100% perfect either and also makes up things as it goes along.

Light is both matter and energy.

All metals are solid at room temperature... except mercury.

Glass is a liquid.

Matter isn't destroyed, it's always converted. (their own way to talk immortality and not go nuts.)

Unlike religion, science doesn't say "it's wrong to kill, cheat, or steal" or that there's somebody that loves us all so that most of us don't go nuts. :)

There are a million mindsets, most people won't listen to because it either directly or indirectly challenges their cozy mindsets.

The truth is in the middle.

[uberllama42]

90. Science doesn't "make things up"

You show a very poor grasp of how science works. When science is done correctly, it is based on the careful and extensive observation of evidence. No one accepts a scientific principle until it has been verified in redundant tests by independent researchers and observed in every conceivable situation. That's why science takes so long. It is the antithesis of making things up as one goes along.

Light is not both matter and energy. It has some properties of a particle and some properties of a wave. As scientists learn more about the performance of light on the quantum level, our classification of light will be probably become easier to understand.

There is no rule that says all metals have to be solid at 300 degrees Kelvin. It just so happens that mercury has the lowest melting of any metal, and that the mean temperature on Earth is slightly higher than that melting point. The melting point of Gallium is 303K, well below human body temperature.

The conclusion that glass is a liquid comes from the study of glass by chemists. When its properties were catalogued, it was found that they matched the properties of a liquid much more closely than those of a solid. Given enough time, glass deforms to the shape of its container. This might take 100,000 years, but this does not change the fact that glass molecules interact with each other the way liquid molecules interact with each other. Therefore glass is a liquid.

Saying that matter is immortal anthropomorphizes it in a very unscientific way. Conservation of matter bears no resemblance to the Christian concept of the immortal soul; in making that comparison, you are making things up as you go along.

I don't need science to tell me that it is wrong to kill, cheat or steal. I don't need some magical sky-being who allegedly loves me to tell me that either. I am an adult with rational faculties and I can plainly see that the results of theft, cheating, and murder are undesirable when others commit those acts. I apply the same standard to myself and decide not to engage in those activities.

I do agree that it is important to examine the views and beliefs of others and to make continual and skeptical inquiry into the validity of one's own assumptions. That's why freedom of speech is so important.

[bluerum]

95. Glass is a viscous solid. And I am not sure that I see the point of invoking

the behavior of materials at room temperature and trying to relate it to religious belief.

Materials behave the way they behave at room temperature (or any temperature for that matter) because of physical laws.

People decide what they want to believe, but whatever they decide, they are still subject to physical laws.

[lolly]

104. The truth isn't "in the middle"

The truth is where the truth is.

Otherwise, you could take any two claims ("The Holocaust killed 6 million Jews" "There was no Holocaust") and reach the "truth" by splitting the difference ("Ok, let's just say 3 million Jews died in the Holocaust")

We get closer to the truth by looking at evidence, not by adding up all the different claims without regard to their validity or support and then proposing a compromise.

Science doesn't say whether something is moral or immoral because that isn't its job.

Ethics studies the concepts and practice of morality. Sometimes religion fits into the mix, often it doesn't. And the "Somebody that loves us all" turns out, in many versions of religion, only to love those who worship him exactly as he orders. Everybody else--at least in some religions--is doomed to an eternity of unbearable suffering. Not for being evil, or for killing or hurting other people, but simply for not believing. Now THAT could drive a person nuts.

[tabasco]

128. If one person is telling a lie and one person is telling the truth ...

the truth does not lie somewhere in the middle.

[theoldman]

62. Just think, that 27 million could have been put to a good use.

Worse yet, they will make millions more from the millions of fools who will visit the museum.

[0rganism]

174. They will not "make millions", they'll be lucky to recover their costs

In between the initial 27 million and the expenses for maintenance and marketing, this joke of a "museum" will be a budget buster, not a revenue generator. Even at the ludicrous $20/pop, it'll take 2 million visitors just to pay off the initial investment plus interest. The dedicated YECs would have to regard this tripe factory as some kind of Mecca to make it feasible long-term with their generous donations.

If the "museum" is still open in 20 years, it'll only be because of some very committed external financing, which has proven itself to be an open gateway to fraud and embezzlement for the self-righteous.

[krispos42]

190. I think there will be a lot of school and church field trips

so they can see the, um... 'evidence' first-hand. I bet a lot of church buses on cross-country trips will divert there for half a day or so. Probably do some powerful praying, too. :eyes:

[shireen]

67. if dinos were on Noah's ark,

how did it get stuck way up there on Mt. Ararat? You'd think the dinos would be so heavy that they'd sink the ark. And even if the ark stayed afloat and got stuck on the mountainside, how did those big lumbering beasts get off a rocky steep mountainside? During those 40 days and 40 nights, how much dino dung would have accumulated to stink up the boat, and if that was the case, why didn't the other animals get pissed off and toss them overboard? Dinos were voracious eaters, how could they store so much food? Wouldn't T-Rex and Velociraptors have eaten everyone else, leaving no animals and people to recolonize the muddy earth after floods subsided? And the biggie: if dinos were on the ark, why didn't they survive after getting off the ark?

I think a critical evaluation of this scenario should lead scientists to reconsider the dino on the ark theory. It seems like such a stretch, do you think?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Tekla West]

72. The Flintstones

as documentary.

[CrispyQ]

82. ...

:rofl:

[coalition_unwilling]

99. I'm glad I'm not reading this while on the clock at work, as I would be

spewing coffee all over my keyboard and monitor from laughing so hard.

Thanks for this post - it made my day!

[SoCalDem]

130. They suffered from severe cabin fever and thus

[Bucky]

145. So cynical. Can we at least agree on how the kangaroos swam to Australia?

"Wait, I jump all the way from Turkey to Malaysia and now I gotta swim the rest of the way?"

[Kurovski]

69. Cool!

Did it have one of those Mastodon dishwashers and Pterodactyl hi-fi's?

Life must've been sweet for Noah and his son Fred.

[rucky]

86. Marshall, Will & Holly were there, too!

[rocktivity]

75. Um--how many years between the last dinosaur and the first man?

It's in the millions, isn't it?

Cue The Flintstones theme...

:eyes:
rocknation

[Nunyabiz]

77. about 65 Million between the last Dino & 1st man. n/t

[Nunyabiz]

76. These people should be institutionalized

They are obviously as crazy as Charlie Manson ever dared to be.

[Lurking Dem]

78. So incest is okay as long as you're married?

And who the fuck supposedly "married" them?

[Solly Mack]

80. Barney did :)

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[rucky]

84. I'll be sure to get my kid the new playset.

She loves her little play Noah's Ark...and with Dinosaurs!

Creationism RAWKS!

[hippiechick]

87. ... and what if ...

... the 'animals' on the 'ark' weren't literal, but were instead genetic material that were transported from some other planet, fleeing a catastrophe of sorts, and sorta ended up here ?

:tinfoilhat: Zecharia Sitchin and the story of Enki and Enlil, anyone? :shrug:

(Sorry, I'm not buying the 'dinosaurs on the Ark' theory, though. My tinfoil only goes so far.)

[AX10]

88. Organized religion is not based upon fact, but on myth.

[Karenina]

126. And when those myths are challenged

ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE!

My fundie x-tian niece got into it with my Mr. Spock son. (8 year-olds) He asked her, if it were LITERALLY true, how predators were separated from prey, how food requirements were me and HOLY SHIT, what about the WASTE PRODUCTS? She came running up the stairs, threw herself on the floor sobbing HYSTERICALLY, "MY COUSIN DOESN'T BELIEVE IN JESUS!!!" Mr. Spock, having followed little miss drama queen up the stairs asked, "WHAT does JESUS have to do with it? HE'S NEW TESTAMENT!

I shot my fundie sister a look, DARING her to address my kid and simply said. "Details, details..."

[annabanana]

132. It's like a screenplay, this post.... I can just picture it!. . . . . n/t

[donsu]

162. yes, heads up Hollywood - you got a new story theme

nt

[GrantDem]

91. Okay...

I know the Bible gives the dimensions of the Ark. I believe that the "creationists" do not question the authenticity of actual dinosaur skeletons and fossils; just the time frame in which they existed. Soooo... How do they explain the fact that some of the dinosaurs wouldn't have fit on the Ark?

[murielm99]

101. They used to question them.

When I was a kid in the fifties, my fundie parents would tell me that there was "no such thing" as dinosaurs. They claimed that ti was all a hoax perpetrated by scientists. Scientists found all sorts of bones and made them fit together.

They were not alone in saying this. Other fundies of their acquaintance believed it, too.

The fundie party line seems to have changed in recent years. Now they admit that there were dinosaurs. But they say that God put all those layers of earth and fossils there to fool us and test our faith. Just because there is geological evidence does not mean that evolution really happened!

[MisterP]

149. God is---Ashton Kutcher?

He Punk's us???!!!!

[murielm99]

151. LOL

Yep. Only the fundies say that it is testing our faith. That is why He put the fossils there.

The first time I heard this was on a Sunday morning TV show. I had to go get my husband, I was so flabbergasted. My husband is interested in fossils, geology and Indian artifacts. He used to belong to an earth science club, and he knows quite a bit about it.

We are both Christians. Nothing about evolution makes us doubt our faith. However, we are amazed by the contortions fundies will go through to make their points.

[EFerrari]

92. This could go straight into The Onion.

Holy cow.

[krispos42]

112. I get the feeling that the Onion may soon go out of business

How can you make satire when life BECOMES satire?

"Johnson, you know that satire story you're working on about the fundies making a creation museum?"

"Yeah, boss. Almost done with it. I got all the craziest stuff you can think of, kids playing with dinosaurs, Grand Canyon formed during the Flood, the works! Fergeson is almost done with the drawings."

"Forget it, Johnson. The fundies just opened a real one up in Ohio."

"You're shittin' me."

[Lurking Dem]

93. I want to see the Lilith exhibit.

Starter Wife exhibit A

[coalition_unwilling]

100. Awesome post. I had forgotten entirely about Lilith and her role in

the whole creation myth.

[Liberal Veteran]

106. Yeah, but Lilith didn't make the cut in the current bible.

Apparently when the early Christians were playing Biblical Idol, Father Symon and Brother Rand-ee both thought Lilith lacked a little something although Sister Paul-a wanted Lilith to go on to the next round.

[mcscajun]

153. Hmmm...That would make Eve the world's first "trophy wife", then?

:rofl:

[Lurking Dem]

158. A'yup!

:evilgrin:

[alfredo]

102. Barney is a meat eater. For God's sake, keep him away from the kids.

[19jet54]

103. Biblical Nephilim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

Most authors of the bible felt the Nephilim were "sons of god" or giant men, pre-Noah. My understanding of this explanation is that is was common thinking back then that the dinosaur bones were misunderstood and thought to be ancient man. (Greek history)

Since modern science has clarified the bones as dinosaurs, the biblical literalistic groups create all sorts of strange theories to rectify the "inerrant word of god" with science. During the dark ages, they burned, killed and destroyed all dissenting views of science not supporting their misconceptions (ref: Copernicus & Di Vinci solar system views vs Church's Earth is the center of the skys)

It is ok to believe in the bible stories, just not as inerrant absolutes - unless you wish to appear foolish?

[Maestro]

105. I'm laughing.

How ignorant!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

107. The Ark must have been brimming with insects

The estimates of the total number of species of insects now living on earth is about 30 million at the highest (not insects, but species of insects). If you add all of the species that have come and gone since the dinosaurs, it must be an enormous number.

[MGKrebs]

108. "State of the art"? State of WHAT art?

The art of stupidity?
Snake oil sales?

[IndianaGreen]

113. "Cain married his sister to people the earth." Incest as a Christian family value!

Which for some of the idiots Bible thumpers is a justification to molest their own children.

Incest is now a Christian family value!

[BrklynLiberal]

114. Bwaa-haa-haa..... OH! You are serious!!!!!!!

I guess the next entry will be proof that the Earth is flat and the Sun revolves around it.

[mwb970]

117. Here you are!

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml

[MGKrebs]

120. eworld?

Hmm, I think Apple owns that trademark. Not that I would send their legal department an email about this.
O8)

[BrklynLiberal]

124. Holey Moley!!!

:wow:

Who woulda thought?

[Sabien]

121. "an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available"

give me a f'n break

I guess every motel room in America, and the screaming from those damn cable channels that nobody wants, and the unwanted knocks on our doors makes this junk quite scarce.

[MasonJar]

122. A colossal embarrassment to the state of Kentucky. Please when you visit

our beautiful state, go to the Horse Park in Lexington instead.

[struggle4progress]

125. ... Ol Noah looked out through the drivin' rain

But the Unicorns were hidin playin silly games.
They were kickin and splashin in the misty morn
Oh them silly Unicorn

Then the goat started goatin and the snake started snakin
The elephant started elephantin and the boat started shakin
The mouse started squeekin and the lion started roarin
And everyone's aboard but the Unicorn

I mean the green alligators and the long-neck geese
The humpy bumpy camels and the chimpanzees
Noah cried Close the door cause the rain is pourin
And we just can't wait for them Unicorn

Then the Ark started movin and it drifted with the tide
And the Unicorns looked up from the rock and cried
And the water came up and sort of floated them away
That's why you've never seen a Unicorn to this day ...

- Shel Silverstein

[Obamarama]

127. With their admission prices, I'll bet this "museum" goes the way of the dinosaurs in a couple years

Adult admission is $19.95 and children are $9.95 a pop. If two parents had four kids, we're talking $80! Admission to the planetarium is an additional $6.00, so tack on another $36 and we have a grand total of $116.00 for a couple hours in a glorified revival tent.

What are the fundiegelical home-schoolers with 14 children going to do?

[Bucky]

146. Yep, this guy thinks Christians are gonna shell out a lot of money for some bogus cause.

Sorry, but Christians are just too smart, too well warned about charletans, false profits, and Pharisees to be hoodwinked by some Elmer Gantry who just talks a good talk.

[SoCalDem]

129. And Jesus had a pet dinosaur..named Bobby n/t

[ozymandius]

131. I was expecting The Onion.

But instead it's Reuters. Venerable old Reuters. Reuters made me laugh harder.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

133. If admission fees didn't support the freakazoids, I'd visit...

and laugh my head off at every exhibit.

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[Release The Hounds]

138. This joke is not funny.

[dipsydoodle]

143. Have they got gnus too ?

If so are thay in the latest breaking gnus section or they starting to spread in New York ?

Start spreading the gnus.......... :rofl:

[Bucky]

147. That would be Fox Gnus

[lovuian]

144. They said Noah floated down the Grand Canyon

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8dDIStd8Fj8

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[Stuckinthebush]

157. Oh, stop it!!!

Look, we all know that God can do anything. He placed the North American species on the ark using his special God powers, and upon the Ark landing on the mountain with the rainbow behind them, the North American and Australian species were God-powered back to their original locations.

Jeez, IG! Don't question the power!

;)

Another good question is, "Before the flood was white light not made up the ol ROY G BIV spectrum?" You know, God put up the rainbow after the flood for the first time.

[panzerfaust]

155. "give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available"

That says it all ... the "information" not being available as it is simply the superstition and myth of a primative and savage desert tribe.

[gobblechops]

156. That ABC news clip

Made me sick,apparently theres no logical reason not to kill if your secular and understand evolution as fact,I thought this was 2007, I fear for the future :scared:

60% of all americans think god created the earth in six days.

[MindPilot]

160. Where did the water come from? Do they answer that?

To submerge the entire planet, there would need to be a good five or six MILES more water on the surface. Where did that much water come from, and where did it go? What form of energy could make that much water condense and then evaporate without destroying the planet itself? Did the additional mass affect the planet's orbit? The rain would come down at the constant rate of about 20 FEET per hour. Then it would have to be evaporated, not just from the surface, but also from the atmosphere.

Certainly since they are promulgating information not readily available, these are some of the questioned answered.

[Beartracks]

166. I think it must have come from Colorado,..

... since apparently the Grand Canyon was created by the deluge!

[mwb970]

195. They don't have to answer questions like that.

As my sister pointed out to me years ago, when you back a religious nut into a corner with logic, they get out of it by saying "that's God's mystery". Case closed.

[donsu]

161. and the Fairy God Mother turned the pumpkin into a carriage

that took Cinderella to the ball


look, it's a museum for the less educated kool aide drinkers. feel sorrow for them.

[symbolman]

163. I gotta wonder

how many CHILDREN could have been FED with 27 Million BUCKS!

Assholes. Sheesh, all they are proving is that some Xtians are RAT SHIT CRAZY. :)

[ellie]

164. This is the lead

story in today's Toledo Blade. All I can say is WTF? Why does this rate a front page? Just to show how much intellectualism has fallen by the wayside in the U.S.?

[DrDan]

167. wait until they discover that flat globes are much easier to

make and read than round ones . . .

[NoodleyAppendage]

170. Talk about throwing good money down the sh*t hole...

If the Christofascists want their "fantasy" museum, then let them. It might be fun to get tanked and take a tour.

J

[hayu_lol]

171. I do hope that they go whole hog and hire...

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs as greeters.

[NoodleyAppendage]

173. I'm pulling for Barney in priestly robes as the greeter. n/t

j

[Mountainman]

172. Just like most things in the riech wing. If facts get in the way, deny them and make your own facts

I have given up discussing with riech wingers because the convieniently make up facts to support their myths and deny the truth.

[FVZA_Colonel]

175. It's like half the population has the mindset of Gene Ray.

Just look up the words "Time Cube" and you'll know what I mean.

[SayWhatYo]

177. I don't get the protesters thing...

Was it publicly funded or something?


Anyways, are these dumbasses trying to say that humans and dinosaurs roamed the Earth together? lol...

[LuckyLib]

178. Here's a great editorial on the museum -- the Flintstones, alive and well!

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-round24may24,0,3757752.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials

<snip> So before the first visitor risks succumbing to the museum's animatronic balderdash — dinosaurs and humans actually coexisted! the Grand Canyon was carved by the great flood described in Genesis! — we'd like to clear up a few things: "The Flintstones" is a cartoon, not a documentary. Fred and Wilma? Those woolly mammoth vacuum cleaners? All make-believe.

<snip> Young Earthers believe the world is about 6,000 years old, as opposed to the 4.5 billion years estimated by the world's credible scientific community. This would be risible if anti-evolution forces were confined to a lunatic fringe, but they are not. Witness the recent revelation that three of the Republican candidates for president do not believe in evolution. Three men seeking to lead the last superpower on Earth reject the scientific consensus on cosmology, thermonuclear dynamics, geology and biology, believing instead that Bamm-Bamm and Dino played together.

<snip> With the opening of the Creation Museum, young people will be getting another side of the story. Too bad it starts with "Yabba-dabba-doo!"

[woo me with science]

181. "Creationists, of course, would not be surprised if someone found a living dinosaur. "

"...However, evolutionists would then have to explain why they made dogmatic statements that man and dinosaur never lived at the same time. I suspect they would say something to the effect that this dinosaur somehow survived because it was trapped in a remote area that has not changed for millions of years. You see, no matter what is found, or how embarrassing it is to evolutionists’ ideas, they will always be able to concoct an ‘answer’ because evolution is a belief. It is not science—it is not fact!"

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp

:rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

182. ...aaand the United States circles the drain ever more rapidly ...

:puke:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

183. Do they server Dino-Burgers at the museum restaurant?

If so, I'm there! I haven't had a good Dino-burger in, well, eons!

:rofl:

[rayofreason]

185. Tastes like chicken...

http://www.livescience.com/animals/070412_dino_tissues.html

Told 'ya

[sampsonblk]

186. This is good

Its one thing to claim the the bible is supported by science. I have heard that a million times. And all the sheep say Amen. But not once have I heard a real attempt to prove it.

This is great news. Now they have put what they have on the table. Let the debate begin.

[Up2Late]

188. Update: Ky. Creation Museum opens to thousands

(I just loved that headline so much, I had to use it, eventhough it is the AP, which I despise, so I included a better, un-edited artical from the Louisville Courier-Journal below.)

Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Ky. Creation Museum opens to thousands

The Associated Press

PETERSBURG, Ky. --
A museum that tells the Bible's version of Earth's history - that the planet was created in a single week just a few thousand years ago - attracted thousands to its opening as protesters rallied outside.

The dozens of demonstrators argued Monday that the Creation Museum's central tenets conflict with scientific evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. Overhead, an airplane pulled a banner with the message: "Thou Shalt Not Lie."

The privately funded museum had more than 4,000 guests on opening day, said Mark Looy, a co-founder of the $27 million facility 20 miles southwest of Cincinnati. The parking lot was filled with license plates from dozens of states.

"The guests were very happy with the museum experience," Looy said. "Of course, we had some naysayers come through and engage us in conversation, and that's fine - we want them."

(more at link above)

Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Creation Museum opens to cheers, jeers

Thousands pay visit, including protesters

By Chris Kenning
[e-mail]
The Courier-Journal

PETERSBURG, Ky. -- Amid protesters and television cameras, several thousand visitors lined up yesterday for the opening of the Creation Museum, a $27 million attraction purporting that the Bible's creation story is literal fact supported by science. Visitors watched high-tech animatronic dinosaurs wag their tails next to playing children in a diorama. They examined fossils and skulls, walked through a lush Garden of Eden and watched robotic men hammer on Noah's Ark in advance of God's retribution.

Through a mix of exhibits and displays, they were told that the Grand Canyon was created in the biblical flood; that Noah's animals repopulated continents by floating across oceans on uprooted trees; that the earth is 6,000 years old, not billions; and that poison dart frogs were harmless before Adam's sin.

Some visitors said the 60,000-square-foot museum -- a cross between a natural history museum and a biblical theme park -- reinforced their views that evolution and the Big Bang -- the theory that the universe was created in a giant explosion -- are wrong, despite scientific consensus to the contrary. "If you want to believe you came from animals, that's you," said Paul Aduba, who came from Toledo, Ohio. "But it's a lie."

Outside the gates of the museum, more than 100 protesters, including scientists and humanist groups, held signs that read "Science Not Superstition" and "Don't Brainwash Our Children." One group rented a plane that buzzed the parking lot trailing a sign that read in part, "Thou Shalt Not Lie."

(more at link) <http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070529/NEWS01/705290405>

[LibertyLover]

191. In today's Post Express

a physicist from Case Western Reserve University who went to the Creation Museum on opening day said that on a scale of one to five, he gave a four for technology, a five for propaganda and a negative five for content. Well, you'll never go broke underestimating the gullibility of the American public.