Malvo Jury is Back: Verdict was Incomplete, now in: LWOP!

[Bertha Venation]

Jury's been sent back. Per CBS news via WTOP, the judge sent the jury back to complete deliberations. They came out with a sentence on only one of the three counts.

4:15 PM Latest finally in: life without parole.

[davidinalameda]

1. verdict on what?

:shrug:

[CatWoman]

2. go to the Virginian Pilot online

http://www.hamptonroads.com/pilotonline/index.html

Confusion delays Malvo verdict
Breaking: Because paperwork was not in order, he judge sent the Malvo jury back into deliberation after they announced they had reached a verdict.

[CatWoman]

3. Life without parole

on one of the charges of capital murder.

[VolcanoJen]

10. I think it was the "Terrorism" and "Capital Murder" charges.

The jury has recommended Life without Parole with $100,000 fines on both the Terrorism and Capital Murder charges. I don't think they've returned a verdict on the third charge (Firearm Felony) yet?

[Bertha Venation]

4. MALVO jury.....

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer: the second DC sniper

Life. Amazing.

Horan's a lying pig. He says he sought justice, not vengeance. He needs a serious reality check. Murder isn't justice. It's vengeance.

[CatWoman]

5. final sentencing will take place March 10.

[BootinUp]

6. Life, surprising, but good thing

CNN is reporting he could still face the death penalty in future trials in other jurisdictions.

[westman]

8. I am confident

that the scum will soon receive the death penalty he so richly deserves.

[Bertha Venation]

9. sigh...

.

[CarinKaryn]

11. Sure, that will really help NOT!

When has the death penalty ever proven deterrent?

[westman]

14. Who cares?

THIS scum will be dead, deservedly so.

[glarius]

19. I feel sorry for you....

I can't say anything else...If you don't understand the principle of killing as an answer to killing, then there is nothing to be said...Especially when it is an immature person like Malvo....No other democracy has the death penalty other than the U.S.A....Think about that!

[westman]

24. I have thought about it,

and it makes me happy to be an American. I feel sorry for those other "civilized" nations who deny their citizens justice.

After eliminating all possible sources of verdict contamination, if the crime is incontravertibly linked to the accused, mete out the DP.

[DrWeird]

34. Jesus respectfully disagrees with you.

He told me so.

[Bertha Venation]

31. I care!

The death penalty is barbaric. Some "civilized" nation this is.

[westman]

35. The crimes that beg the DP are barbaric.

Speak out against those. The DP is just retribution for select crimes.

[Bertha Venation]

38. Yes, the crimes are barbaric.

Murdering the criminal is not just retribution. It is revenge. It's satisfying bloodlust -- which is no better than the crime itself.

[westman]

16. But to answer your question,

in the preponderance of studies unencumbered by a predetermined result.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

45. Wow! Can you back up your opinion or what?

Another concise, well thought out answer!

(Actually, your answer sounds like lazy bullshit. Spouting opinions only does not make for a bright sounding poster.)

[westman]

49. Take your advice to heart!

I look forward to the gradual improvment in posts as you do.

I know you feel a great deal of hatred. Think for yourself. You'll get over it.

[MaineDem]

15. I'm sorry you feel that way (nt)

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[magnolia]

28. Oh really....

...consider this: since no one has actually died and come back to tell us about it...how do you know if the death penalty is a punishment and not a reward???? The only thing we do know about death is that the people left behind suffer. It is pure ego and human arrogance to project that suffering onto those who have died and assume that they are just as miserable as we are.

Malvo hurt the loved ones of the people he killed...and...by killing him, the law hurts his loved ones. The people who suffer the most are the ones who haven't done anything wrong except love someone. Wow...we've really evolved, haven't we?

[westman]

36. The time spent waiting for execution is punishment.

The administration of the DP is punishment.

After that, we have no control.

Your point about hurting the loved ones of the victims is strained at best, bogus at worst.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

44. As a good Christian Nation representative, do you think you

could talk Christ into coming down here to personally execute him?

What sort of capital punishment would Christ recommend?

Maybe executioners here in the States should be refered to as "Killers for Christ?"

[westman]

52. What do you mean by

Christian Nation representative? I've made no mention of religion.

[CatWoman]

7. why are they fining him $100,000???

[glarius]

12. Congratulations America for a civilized verdict!

I am pleasantly surprised by this verdict....Apparently there were some (perhaps all?) in this jury who didn't agree with killing teenagers, no matter what the crime...

[westman]

17. Did Malvo

commit a civilized crime?

[glarius]

20. No he did not....but civilized people should react in a civilized manner

despite that...

[arwalden]

23. Thank you!!!

Execution is not punishment, it's revenge. Plain and simple.

-- Allen

[westman]

26. Nothing wrong with revenge

if it occurs as a by-product of justice.

[Bertha Venation]

32. I've only one thing to say to that

and I don't care if you like it or not.

Bullshit.

Murder is not justice.

[westman]

37. Thank you for the well thought out, erudite response.

I only hope that neither you nor any one you care for ever becomes the victim of a Malvo-like scum.

[Bertha Venation]

40. Well thought out? Erudite? Hardly.

Just accurate. Murder is not just. Murder is not justice. Murder is vengeance, and it's wrong. Murder is barbaric.

Whether it's Malvo, Muhammad, or the state, it's barbaric.

BTW, the wife of their last victim is a friend of mine. I know firsthand what those animals did to her & her sons. So you can keep your "hope" and sentiment. You're too late.

[glarius]

33. It is your type of reasoning that has resulted in the never-ending killing

for revenge that is going on between Israel and her enemies....You kill one....I kill one...you kill one.....I kill one.. ad nauseum...

[westman]

39. No,

the situation in Israel is caused by failure to take control.

[glarius]

42. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

n/t

[westman]

53. It does.

Israel must exert greater control over terrorists on their soil.

[glarius]

57. My...what a shame they don't realize you have the answer to their

problem!....The whole middle east problem could be solved..

[westman]

58. Nah,

Brad & Jen beat me to it!

Merry Christmas!

[tkmorris]

47. Justice is just that

There ARE no "by-products"............

[westman]

25. Our definitions

of "civilized manner" differ.

[shanti]

41. funny

but so do the opionions of MOST du'ers and the freepers....

[westman]

54. And your point is...?

[DemVet]

55. Don't worry, we'll get him eventually. n/t

[CatWoman]

13. link

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=63926&ran=186756

[MaineDem]

18. This is a good sentence

And this was the state where Ashcroft felt he had the best shot at the death penalty. Maryland doesn't execute 17 year olds, I read.

I'm satisifed this is the right decision.

[glarius]

21. I agree! n/t

[LawDem]

22. This will go a long way to help our image overseas

This will provide a tremendous boast for our nation's reputation abroad. Many people don't realize how badly capital punishment, and especially capital punishment for minors, damages the reputation of the U.S. in the rest of the industrialized world. This gutsy jury has done more for our international image than anything Smirk & Co. have done during their three long years in office.

[CBHagman]

27. And it certainly needs it!

I remember how Europeans reacted to the Reagan administration back in the '80s. The image that the Bush administration (and indeed the whole country) has must be even worse.

[magnolia]

29. Today....

...I'm a proud Virginian!

[truthisfreedom]

30. good. the death penalty doesn't leave these guys around long enough for

people to think about what they've done. making an example of someone is much more effective if they're still around to be punished.

[Blue_Tires]

43. did they ever determine exactly

how many people malvo actually pulled the trigger on, if any?

[opihimoimoi]

46. This kid should die. Why waste all that food, air, water, guards salaries,

doctors fees, hospitals expenses, attornies fees, prison space, clothes, mattresses, blankets, air conditioning, library books, etc on the dude.

Think of the families involved, they want and should get closure. We got 7 trillion humans on this here planet and we keep this kid while our best die in wars>>>?? where is the common sense?

[tkmorris]

48. If you cannot give the gift of life......

to those that deserve it you cannot execute the penalty of death. Our humanity compels us to be better than those we condemn.

[opihimoimoi]

50. Very soon it will be a matter of food and water, the lack of.

We will look for reasons not to share food with those not deserving.

[daleo]

51. Leave Without Pay? (LWOP)

Not meaning to make light of the situation, but that was my first reaction to the header, since that's what LWOP means at the university that I work at.

[sungkathak]

56. 115. The third leg in Alabama shooting case. (2/17)

115. The third leg in Alabama shooting case. (2/17)

The following article is an important information that third party were involved in sniper shooting.

"Sniper Rifle Was Also Used In Ala. Killing
Third Assailant Possible In Ambush There, Police Say

By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 31, 2002; Page A01

"The rifle that was used in the Washington area sniper shootings also was used in last month's Alabama killing that led investigators to the suspects, Montgomery, Ala., Police Chief John H. Wilson said yesterday, citing newly available results of ballistics tests.

He said James Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the ATF in Alabama and Tennessee, told him that ballistics examiners were able to get a more complete picture after examining a bullet test-fired from the sniper weapon......

Three federal law enforcement officials confirmed the new ballistics tests.....

The Alabama shootings occurred about 7:30 p.m., just as Parker and Adams were locking the door, "It was just like all the rest of the shootings -- no one ever saw anyone," Adams said, referring to the Washington area attacks.....

A nearby patrol car pulled up and officers saw Muhammad standing over the two women, rummaging through their purses and holding a handgun in his right hand, Wilson said. One officer tended to the victims. The second chased Muhammad, the chief said. Malvo was about 50 yards away, standing with a magazine in his hand, possibly acting as a lookout, Wilson said, citing witness accounts.

The second officer continued chasing Muhammad through a restaurant parking lot, but a blue car darted out and blocked the path, Wilson said. Muhammad and Malvo were arrested in a blue Caprice last week.

At the time of the liquor store shootings, Wilson said, police thought the car was at the wrong place at the wrong time. But once authorities learned that Muhammad and Malvo had a blue car, he said, his suspicions turned to a possible third person."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/graphics/sniper/sninv_102402.html


From above report, we can conclude: The shooting was carried out by another person. He was the real sniper. Muhammad and Malvo had never been seen holding a rifle. The whole story most likly like this: Muhammad and Malvo were support group of a sniper team. They were sent to do reconnaissance job. This was the most dangerous job because they were easy to be arrested on the scene. The blue Caprice was a working car. Some team member drove it to block the police chasing. All action were well trained: reconnaissance; cover up, evasion..... it reacted what Muhammad had said to his friend in Jamaica that he had worked for the CIA and FBI, and that he had to return to the States periodically to give military training workshops." (see #104. Sniper case, (5) Muhammad in Jamaica) (also According to Newsweek magazine, when Muhammad was travelling from Washington State to Washington, DC to participate the shooting case, he stopped to see his cousins in Baton Rouge, LA. He told them that he was on a "secret mission" for the military. His cousins dismissed him as a lunatic then.But now it seems he told truth.)

When Muhammad and Malvo were arrested, police also found walky talky(or mobile phone?) and satellite locater in car. These were unneccessary for them if they were the sole sniper. But it was useful if they acted as reconnaissance. With satellite locater, the commander of the sniper team was able to know the location of all support groups and instruct these groups to move to the spot for reconnaissance and cover up purpose by walky talky. Muhammad and Malvo was one of these support groups doing same job they had done in Alabama shooting case. That's why they were seen at the shooting scene and even was photoed by surveillance camara. This also explained why the sniper could keep on his shooting spree in a high alert surrounding without being caught. They were well trained and supported by large resources. Once the murderer became the investigator, they could never been discovered. Their mind also displayed in taro card left for local police,"I'm God." Because they also could command local police force.

Sometime later, governmet denied ballistic test said above. They said the bullet in Alabama case was not from the sniper rifle. Obviously they made up their mind to frame up only two persons but cover the real one. But when they manipulated the evidence by "made to fit", and fire arm's "finger print"-ballistic test became untrustworthy, how can we believe their "hard evidence" anymore?