U.S. military says Iran helping Iraq

[maddezmom]

Source: Associated Press

BAGHDAD - Iran has been training Iraqi fighters in the assembly of deadly roadside bombs known as EFPs, the U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday.

EFPs, or explosively formed penetrators, hurl a molten, fist-sized lump of molten copper capable of piercing armored vehicles.

"We know that they are being in fact manufactured and smuggled into this country, and we know that training does go on in Iran for people to learn how to assemble them and how to employ them," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a weekly briefing. "We know that training has gone on as recently as this past month from detainees' debriefs."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070411/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

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Iran may miss Iraq meet due to detainees: report
2 hours, 15 minutes ago



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran may not attend a multilateral conference on Iraq next month that includes the United States if U.S. forces do not release five Iranians it is holding there, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.

In January, U.S. forces detained five Iranians linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guards by Washington, which said they were backing Iraqi militants. Iran denies the charges, says they are diplomats and has demanded their release.

"We have reminded Iraqi officials that as long as the Iranian diplomats are not freed, Iran's participation at any conference about Iraq with the presence of America will face a serious problem and obstacle," Abbas Araghchi, a senior Foreign Ministry official, told Iran's hardline Kayhan daily.

Araghchi represented Iran at a meeting of the United States, other world powers and Iraq's neighbors in Baghdad in March. During that meeting, he spoke with the U.S. representative, Zalmay Khalilzad, Washington's ambassador to Baghdad.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070411/ts_nm/iraq_iran_usa_dc_1

[hobbit709]

1. This was BS before XMas

and they're trying to recycle it now. You don't need to smuggle anything in from Iran when we left the ammo dumps unguarded. Bury an armor-piercing artillery shell in the ground, pointy end up,wait for something to drive over it and detonate. Guess what happens?

[lligrd]

2. Same Old Tactic - Just Keep Repeating A Lie Until It Becomes

accepted.

[catmandu57]

3. You caught that too

I had a feeling of deja vu when I saw this headline.

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[hobbit709]

5. Don't need fancy shaped charges

I know more about shaped charges than I care to remember. I was just pointing out that the ordinary IEDs work just fine and have been working just fine in Iraq. The new "uparmored" humvees are still just as vulnerable if you check out what the real changes are in them. A 105 or 155mm round will shred a Hummer or a truck when detonated directly underneath. The inherent design flaw in a Hummer is that it won't deflect the blast from underneath.

[Dhalgren]

6. This is such bullshit.

First it was all of the EFPs were coming from Iran, then they found the factories for them in Iraq. So now it's that "parts" for them come from Iran and Iran trains the Iraqis on how to make these things. The thing that is so disheartening is that the military thinks we are all this stupid. These officers who are willing stooges for the Bushists must be drummed out of the service with a loss of pension - unless they are convicted of treason, in which case they would be dealt with accordingly.

Then there are the Iranian hostages that the US military/CIA are holding. What is the US holding hostages for anyway? I realize that they can't release the hostages right now, because their fingernails haven't grown back, yet, and all the bruising from the beatings is still too fresh. Maybe soon, but why are the Iranians so mean and unlawful? They are cruel and we can't talk to them until they blah, blah, blah - bull-fucking-shit...

[bemildred]

7. "detainees' debriefs"

:puke::puke:

[maddezmom]

11. more like "jailed" and " tortured"

[gratuitous]

12. Our detainees tell the 100% unvarnished truth

Iran's detainees (British sailors) were coerced into confessing that they were in Iranian waters when they were captured. I wonder what the Iranians might say if they were back home in Tehran? And if it contradicted what they said while in U.S. custody, how would we know which statement (if any) was true?

It's clearly not just me who thinks this story stinks to high heaven.

[msongs]

8. the US military has murdered how many civilians in Irq? nt

[bemildred]

9. Well, it says they are "Iraqi fighers" fighting us this time.

Not foreign and not insurgents or al Qaeda or whatever.
Must have been a slip.

[yava]

10. Good folks

Your remarks prove you see through the MSM.
Keep it up.

[bemildred]

14. Once you figure out they flat out lie their asses off ...

Not mistakes and not misinformed, but deliberate self-serving lies, it's not hard.

[Magleetis]

25. Not only

do we see through the lying media, we also can see through our lying Government. IMHO neither the MSM or our Government has any credibility at this point in time.

[donkeyotay]

13. I feel so sorry for President Bush. He's such a hero, and honest, and truthful

and he's just trying to keep us safe. Those terrible Iranians are messing up his war. And the Democrats are trying to defeat him. None of this is his fault, you know. :sarcasm:

[ohio2007]

15. Just redeploy the troops out of the cities and along the border.

We don't need to be in their cities anymore. Give the Iraqi's a chance to take back their country.

[Heidi]

16. Kick.

:kick:

[Whoa_Nelly]

17. Iran May Be Helping Iraqis Build Bombs

Source: Guardian Unlimited UK

Wednesday April 11, 2007 2:16 PM


AP Photo BAG110

BAGHDAD (AP) - Iran has been training Iraqi fighters in the assembly of deadly roadside bombs known as EFPs, the U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday.

EFPs, or explosively formed penetrators, hurl a molten, fist-sized lump of molten copper capable of piercing armored vehicles.

``We know that they are being in fact manufactured and smuggled into this country, and we know that training does go on in Iran for people to learn how to assemble them and how to employ them,'' Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a weekly briefing. ``We know that training has gone on as recently as this past month from detainees' debriefs.''

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6548970,00.html

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While there may be Iranians who are aiding those in Iraq, I consider the headline of this news piece to be misleading in that it points fingers at the entire country of Iran, and continues the BushCo agenda to push for an attack on Iran. :grr:

[acmavm]

18. We helped the Afganis do more than that when they were fighting

Russia.

That's the way of the world and they way of war. The other side is always gonna find an ally or ten somewhere.

[Jim__]

19. "We know ... from detainees' debriefs"

Ummmm, were those debriefs with or without torture?

[peacebird]

21. exactly - and we should believe this because torture produces reliable valid data, eh?

:sarcasm:

[peacebird]

20. They've already cried " WOLF!" one too many times... Why should we trust them now?

:eyes:

[Warpy]

22. Right, they're helping an enemy they've had for thousands of years

and against whom they fought an eight year war that ended only 19 years ago.

Yeah, right.

I'm taking this one with a pound of salt.

[truedelphi]

23. I always distrust the story that has no reporter's byline

And also any NYT story that ahs Judith Miller's byline

[HuffleClaw]

24. yet another RECYCLED story

*yawn*

[ForPeace]

26. U.S. military says U.S. helping Iraq

Aren't we supposed to be helping Iraq too. What's wrong with helping Iraq. Aren't we training and equipping Iraqis. Don't we also have nuclear weapons! Jeez!

[Eugene]

27. US says Iran arming Sunni groups

Source: BBC

Last Updated: Wednesday, 11 April 2007, 18:23 GMT 19:23 UK

US says Iran arming Sunni groups

The US military has for the first time accused Iran of arming Sunni militants
fighting in Iraq.

Sunni militants are being armed with Iranian-made munitions, US military
spokesman Maj Gen William Caldwell told reporters in Baghdad.

These include mortar rounds and rocket-propelled grenades, he said.

-snip-

The weapons, which were shown at the news conference, were discovered
in a car in a Sunni district of Baghdad last week, the Americans said.

-snip-

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6546555.stm

[maddezmom]

35. interesting, the Iranian Shiites are arming the Sunni al Qaeda

:crazy:

[Eugene]

28. US rules out freeing Iranians, rejects torture charge

Source: Agence France-Presse

US rules out freeing Iranians, rejects torture charge

by Olivier Knox
1 hour, 17 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States on Wednesday ruled out freeing
five Iranians in US custody in Iraq and rejected Tehran's charge that it
tortured another during a two-month captivity in the war-torn country.

Iran has warned it is unlikely to attend a May ministerial conference in
Egypt on Iraq's security unless Washington releases the five, whom US
authorities seized in a raid in northern Iraq in January.

Asked whether the United States was prepared to free them, White
House national security spokesman Gordon Johndroe curtly replied: "No."

US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said there was "no
reason in the world why they should not attend this conference if they
truly had an interest in being supportive of Iraq, Iraqi people and the
Iraqi government."

-snip-

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070411/pl_afp/iraniraqusdiplomacy_070411173617

[donkeyotay]

32. What is the legal status of the 5 Iranians?

I thought the main rationale for ignoring the Geneva Conventions was that those at Gitmo operated without state sponsership. These Iranians have a nationality and didn't wear uniforms since they were diplomats. Why are they being held as enemy combatants? Shouldn't they have a claim to be treated as POWs?

[IndianaGreen]

29. "detainees' debriefs" means confessions extracted through torture

and as we all now know, a prisoner will confess to anything and say anything, to stop being tortured.

This is not evidence!

[tabasco]

30. Caldwell is a yes-man promoted & appointed by the Bush mafia.

Caldwell is a disgrace to the uniform. He bleats the talking points like a good little general. He doesn't give a damn about the troops - only his career. He is a buffoon and a lackey. A gutless POS.

[IndianaGreen]

31. General Caldwell is a good Christian man

He is in Iraq to defend Jesus against the heretical hordes!

:sarcasm:

[wotsofunny]

33. Iran aiding Iraq

Latest Bulletin

Iran accuses USA of aiding Iraq

[Vidar]

34. Hardly a credible source.