Tensions ease in anti-whaling fight

[Barrett808]

Tensions ease in anti-whaling fight
Andrew Darby, Hobart
February 14, 200

THE fate of Australasian humpback whales has shifted into the spotlight after a peace brokered with Sea Shepherd activists following their violent confrontation with Japanese whalers.

Tensions cooled in the Antarctic yesterday when Sea Shepherd president Paul Watson withdrew a threat to ram factory ship Nisshin Maru. New Zealand Conservation Minister Chris Carter offered an exit to the activists, and Captain Watson said afterwards he was convinced regional governments would toughen their action against Japan's humpback whale hunt.

Japanese whalers plan to begin harpooning humpbacks that migrate along the Australian and New Zealand coasts when the animals return to the Antarctic to feed next December.

They intend to kill up to 50 humpbacks and 50 fin whales, both listed as endangered species, and up to 935 minkes, under the "scientific research" program known as JARPA II.

"These endangered humpbacks must be our line in the sand, the place where we say, enough is enough," Captain Watson said. "We simply cannot allow these whales to be ruthlessly slaughtered."

...

Running low on fuel and facing arrest over the activists' de-registered "pirate" vessels, Captain Watson was debating whether Sea Shepherd had anything to lose by sacrificing a ship in ramming the Nisshin Maru, if it were found. But in a phone conversation between him and Mr Carter, the NZ Conservation Minister offered New Zealand's help if Sea Shepherd left the Antarctic. "I have asked (Captain Watson) to begin the long trip home, and explained that if his ships require emergency assistance in getting home, then New Zealand will assist him if we are able to, through our search and rescue facilities," Mr Carter said.

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/tensions-ease-in-antiwhaling-fight/2007/02/13/1171128973983.html

[Deep13]

1. Fucking whalers.

So what happens to their goddamn all-important economic interests after they kill the last one?

[Double T]

2. What the hell is IT with the damn japanese and their insatiable desire.......

to kill endangered species whales?!?!?! "scientific research" my ass; their illegal whaling ships should be confiscated and sold for scrap metal.

[Coventina]

3. Better watch out. Criticising the Japanese is "racism", don't you know?

It's part of their "cultural heritage" and therefore above reproach.

[Double T]

4. Don't give a damn about a person's color, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation..........

or to which side THEY part their hair; when 'cultural heritage' adversely affects endangered species, it is time to change the culture.

[Bonobo]

22. Guess my comments were on point since you are so offended.

But where is your outrage at the use of our own coutnry's sonar.

[Coventina]

96. I am outraged at our use of sonar.

And I'm not offended by your comments. I find them merely laughable.

[ladjf]

5. It's simple. They wish to continue stealing these animals from

the oceans just as the oil companies are stealing the oil from out of the ground for the mere price of the drilling equipment.

[Zachstar]

6. New Zealand assisting terrorists?

If they need fuel simply board them and take the vessels a prise. Refuel them and sell them.

NZ needs to sink both ships as they are pirates plain and simple.

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[LeftyMom]

9. Main Entry: pi·ra·cy

Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: 'pI-r&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratEs pirate
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signals

Pray tell, what has SSCS ever stolen from the Japanese fleet?

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Popular definitions

don't always correspond exactly to legal definitions.

Acts of hostility on the high seas can legally be considered piracy, under the definitions of many nations.

[LeftyMom]

11. Than look it up and get back to me.

If somebody's making a case for sinking the Farley Mowat and/or the Robert Hunter for piracy I want to hear what the heck they've done that so piratical, and can't be resolved by other means.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. I did look it up

and I got back to you. Legal definitions of piracy don't require "stealing" something.

I also have never said their ships should be sunk. I believe Watson should be arrested, for the protection of everybody involved.

[LeftyMom]

13. Which definitions

I like citations. Humor me.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Here ya go, toots

UN Law of the Sea Convention of 1982:

Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).




I also found this definition, but can't find the legal source of it:

PIRACY (BY U.S. CITIZEN) - Whoever, being a citizen of the U.S., commits any murder or robbery, or any act of hostility against the U.S., or against any citizen thereof, on the high seas, under color of any commission from any foreign prince, or state, or on pretense of authority from any person, is a pirate, and shall be imprisoned for life. 18 USC



So, as you can see, acts of hostility can be considered piracy. Hope this helps!

[LeftyMom]

15. "Acts of hostility" have been committed on both sides.

I don't think there's an argument there unless you plan on alleging piracy against the japanese whaling fleet as well.

PS Don't call me "toots."

[MonkeyFunk]

16. then arrest the others, too

But I'm not convinced the whalers have engaged in acts of hostility - I don't trust Watson's word on the matter.

[LeftyMom]

17. There's plenty of film.

Go look at their website.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. nah

I'll be as lazy as you. Humor me.


See how rude that is?

Anyway, I DID go to their website, and didn't find any video of the encounters. Maybe the site's just poorly designed.

[LeftyMom]

21. Well, toots

(speaking of rude) I'll do you one better.

Since you don't think Sea Shepherd or Paul Watson have credibility, here's video from multiple angles of the Japanese whaler Nisshin Maru ramming Greenpeace's Arctic Sunrise.

http://tvyil.greenpeaceweb.org/default.asp?loadfilm=56&loadcat=10

[MonkeyFunk]

23. but that's not from the seashepherd site

I should've known you were talking about an entirely different site. :eyes:

[LeftyMom]

25. I figured I'd spare you the trouble of griping about their credibility

:eyes:

Is that an attack on another ship or not?

[MonkeyFunk]

27. I can't get it to play

but let's back up - you said there was "plenty" of video at the seashepherd site. Where can I find it?

[MonkeyFunk]

24. ah well

it's not playing for me, either. Just stuck on "loading" now for a few minutes.

And the "toots" was in response to the "humor me", which implied I was wrong. When I gave you the legal definitions, you quickly changed the subject to "well, they did it, too!"

As I said, if the whalers broke the law, arrest them too. I take the radical position that ships shouldn't ram each other.

[LeftyMom]

26. Okay, ramming ships is wrong.

I'll keep that in mind when they do it. Right now, the only ship floating down there that's done it is the Nisshin Maru.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. now we're getting somewhere

would you agree that threatening to ram a ship is wrong, too?

[LeftyMom]

30. In diplomacy, bluster is an important tactic.

SSCS is headed back to Australia, the Nisshin Maru (the factory ship that stores and processes much of the whale meat) is malodorous but undamaged. I thought the issue at hand here was piracy. The only party clearly guilty of it is the Japanese Whaling Fleet.

[Bonobo]

33. By what definition is the Japanese whaling ship a pirate.

From a legal or a MORAL point of view (bear in mind that YOUR conception of morality is not necessarily the same as everyone's)

Some people might consider you paying taxes to a murderous, genocidal government itself to be immpral after all. It does sort of make you complicit. At least as complicit as Japanese citizens are in whaling.

Do you really think that your consumption of oil stolen at the expense of innocent victims is any less damning than the (miniscule) Japanese consumption of whale meat?

[LeftyMom]

37. As much as I appreciate your attempt to answer a question for me after asking it

:sarcasm:

it's actually piracy under the definition given in post 14 of this thread.

[Bonobo]

41. I don't see that it fits those definitions at all. Can you please explain?

If you cannot, I will just have to call BS on that one too.

By the way, I want to add here that although this issue may inflame passions, I want it to be remembered that I harbor no ill will towards you or any other poster personally.
The nature of a bbs system is such that it forces confrontations and I want to make that clear because you and I would probably be very much in agreement on other issues.

In fact, I would even agree that whaling is totally wrong if it could be shown that it was driving the Minke whales to extinction. I do not buy the argument, however, that it is immpral based on the fact that they are "smart". This is too subjective for me and I suspect that some people have watched "Free Willy" a little too much to be rational. Killing anything is equally wrong if you want to go down that street because intelligence is relative and moral calls are pretty slippery.

[flvegan]

44. Delete

[flvegan]

45. . So, when Japan comes back for humpbacks, you'll be behind that?

Don't give me any of your "Free Willy" shit either.

I will go down that street.

[Bonobo]

50. I will not.

And sorry about the Free Willy comment.

In your case, it was more likely Star Trek IV.

[flvegan]

52. Why not?

Serious question? What's the difference?

Sorry, I missed the "In your case" reference. You'll have to elaborate on that.

[Bonobo]

54. Humpback whales are endangered I believe.

Minke Whales are not. I do not support the hunting of endangered species.

As for the "In your case", you just strike me more as a Trekkie than a Willie fan.

[flvegan]

56. So, when an animal hits "endangered" THEN you give a shit?

Weak.

[Bonobo]

57. Yes, of course.

THAT'S WEAK?

Why is THAT weak?

[flvegan]

59. It's weak

because a species needs to reach a critical status before you give a shit. Nice. Animals only matter on your selfish levels, when they matter to you because of some definition.

Beat them, shoot them, skin them alive. Who gives a shit until they reach a level at which I need to care.

Sorry, putting words in your mouth.

[Bonobo]

61. So pigs, chickens, cows, fish, goats, etc. all deserve the same attention?

[flvegan]

64. Yup.

Sorta, kinda why I'm vegan and the activist I am.

[Bonobo]

31. Don't bother. It's not from the recent encounter and also it shows the opposite.

The "good guys" were on a collision course. The "bad guys" couldn't turn because it would have forced them into a collision with another ship on their port side.

The damage was sustained to the front of the "good guys" ship because they were POINTED RIGHT AT THE WHALING SHIP. Nothing could be clearer.

[LeftyMom]

34. They had the right of way AND were reversing to get out of the factory ship's way.

Blaming Greenpeace in that one is like saying that you ran a red light in a semi, violating the laws of the road, struck my car as I tried to evade you and that the problem was that I was headed into the intersection at the time.

[Bonobo]

36. As I said, they were pointed RIGHT AT the whaling ship. It is evident.

And the whaling ship could not turn to the port as there was another ship there. Also evident. Watch the vid yourself.

[LeftyMom]

38. There's no reasoning with some people.

If you honestly believe that Greenpeace, famously described as the "Avon ladies of the environmental movement" were trying to ram a ship many times larger, in the middle of the southern ocean, in freezing cold water, with nobody to save their asses when their ship was disabled or worse- as that would be the likely result, I have a wide selection engineering marvels you may be interested in. Would you prefer two lanes or four? How about a pretty drawbridge model?

[Bonobo]

46. I'm trying to avoid snarkiness and be logical.

First of all, that isn't exactly Greenpeace. Second of all, I think the physical facts speak for themselves.

As for the wisdom of trying to ram them, well, maybe they were trying to scare them. Maybe they were running out of fuel and desperate to make a point.

Watson said he would give them a steel enema. They HAVE rammed many, many ships in the past, etc.

I don't see why it would be so surprising that they would ram this ship too. They STATE categorically that they would, will and are proud of doing so.

They state categorically they are willing to sacrifice their lives to save whales. I'm pretty sure taking lives also wouldn't be out of the question.

[Bonobo]

29. That's the "proof"?

Looked an awful lot to me like if the Japanese ship had turned to port to avoid the Arctic Sunrise (which, oddly was pointed right AT the Japanese ship, indicating that IT was on a collision course), it would have smashed into the other ship to its port side.

Also, this is not from the recent encounter. Very sneaky.

[LeftyMom]

32. I never claimed it was.

If there's footage of that one, I haven't yet seen it.

But yes, there's one enormous factory vessel intentionally striking, twice, a much smaller vessel. The related maritime laws about right of way and such are explained on the video. Feel free to verify them if you're also questioning Greenpeace's credibility (which wouldn't surprise me, you seem to be giving the benefit of the doubt only to the whalers.)

[MonkeyFunk]

wait

the footage you linked me to ISN'T from the recent encounter?

[LeftyMom]

40. I ALREADY said

"If there's footage of that one, I haven't yet seen it." (LM, 2007.)

[MonkeyFunk]

42. yes

you said that AFTER sending me on a wild goose chase to the Seashepherd site, then posting something from Greenpeace.

You're being disingenuous and purposely misleading. That's no way to have a discussion, so I'll just say good night to you.

[flvegan]

47. a/k/a

Losing the "discussion"

Good night, SP.

[MonkeyFunk]

49. Nah

Any rational person can see that she was disingenuous. But nice of you to stand up for her.

You have a great night too.

[flvegan]

51. I disagree, and you can't prove same.

So now what? Just you, left feeling better about what you said here on the internets?

[Bonobo]

53. Before I leave too, let me suggest another thread that is being ignored.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2729732

If you really care about whales that is and don't just secretly want to be a pirate.

[flvegan]

55. Yet another weak ass draw from the topic.

Wow.

[Bonobo]

58. Yet more evidence you really don't care about the issue you purport to care about.

[flvegan]

60. How so?

Be specific and give legs to this strawman.

[Bonobo]

62. You're getting boring. Go to the thread and see.

It's all there. Spend some time thinking instead of typing.

[flvegan]

65. Sigh. That's it?

[Bonobo]

35. Ships on the right side have the right of way, yes. But not if they are pointed

at a ship! Highly misleading explanation.

Please contradict me if you can. The proof is right there in where the damage occurred (the bow of the ship)

[LeftyMom]

39. If you look at the video you'll see they were reversing as fast as they could.

Of course the Nisshin Maru hit the bow of the Arctic Sunrise, the rest has managed to get out of the way, probably saving the ship and the people onboard.

[Bonobo]

43. I heard the captain SAY they were reversing (much too late)

It should have already been clear WAY BEFORE then that they were on a direct collision course.

He even said in the video that he wouldn't change course. Ships are not rockets. It's quite clear where you are headed in advance. That was a tactic to force a confrontation in my opinion.

As for "getting out of the way", I just don't see how you can take a hit on the bow from a ship that is moving straight unless YOU are headed into it.

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[Bonobo]

63. Think I'll stop feeding you.

[flvegan]

66. a/k/a

I give up.

[Zachstar]

67. Pathetic

But can you expect more from terrorist-pirate supporters?

Grow up!!

[flvegan]

69. Like I said...

BTW...that whole "terrorist" thing went out with supporting Bush.

[MonkeyFunk]

81. Hmmm...

I look up, I see a deleted post.

That's enough for me, mark.

[Barrett808]

8. Footage of vessel collision released (NZ video reports)

Japanese vessel the Kaiko Maru has released a video featuring their crash with anti-whaling vessel Robert Hunter two days ago.

The recording has been placed on Japan's Institute for Cetacean Research website.

The footage shows the two colliding, but still does not clarify who was responsible. Yet it does show no move to avoid a collision by the protest vessel.

The institute says they released the information to show the Sea Shepherd is a vigilante group and is a dangerous and desperate organisation.

Meantime, Japan is attempting fresh steps towards its goal of resuming commercial whaling at a special meeting of the International Whaling Commission.

Twenty-six anti-whaling nations including Australia, New Zealand and the United States are boycotting the meeting, leaving 34 countries represented.

(more)

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411319/989357

[Barrett808]

18. (Aussie Environment Miniter) Turnbull warns anti-whalers

Mr Turnbull also urged the group, which has two ships tailing a Japanese whaling fleet, to act safely, peacefully and responsibly.

The group’s ship the Robert Hunter and a Japanese whale spotter ship were involved in a collision in icy seas close to the frozen continent on Monday.

Mr Turnbull says he is getting regular reports on events.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/national/658982.html

[Barrett808]

20. Anti-whaling pirates to head home

Hardline whaling activists will today abandon their pursuit of Japanese whalers in Antarctic waters and head back to Australia because one of their vessels has almost run out of fuel.

Leader of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, Captain Paul Watson, said his ship the Farley Mowat would set a course for Melbourne today with the organisation's other craft, the Robert Hunter.

The decision means the two ships will abandon their pursuit and harassment of Japanese whaling vessels operating in the area.

Once in Australia, Watson fears the Farley Mowat could be permanently stranded in Melbourne, as it was deregistered by Belize on December 29, and left port as a pirate vessel.

The Robert Hunter was registered to Britain when it left port, and provided it returns to Melbourne by February 19, British time, it will be able to leave once it is reregistered elsewhere, Watson said.

He said the Farley Mowat had only eight days of fuel left, and with Melbourne about eight days' journey for that vessel, he had no choice but to head back to port today.

Original plans to take fuel from the Robert Hunter were abandoned because of the rough weather, he said.

The Robert Hunter, a faster ship, would make it back to Melbourne before it was deregistered, provided there were no storms, he said.

Asked whether he was disappointed his ships were leaving the Japanese vessels while the hunt was still under way, Watson said: "We can only do the best we can with the resources we have ... we are up against a pretty powerful country.

"We will have to get the ships reregistered somewhere else," he said.

(more)

http://www.smh.com.au/news/whale-watch/antiwhaling-pirates-to-head-home/2007/02/14/1171405261187.html

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[Bonobo]

70. Thanks.

Despite the attempts by some, it would be EXTREMELY hard to fit me into a category of anything but a very, very left wing person.

I am not insensitive to the plight of endangered animals and these types of bbs forums tend to force people into corners by dealing with one issue at a time and in a very simplistic way.

Certainly I am the last person you would label as a corporate backer as a poster above did.

I am however, admittedly sensitive about "Japan bashing" because I love Japan and I try to show people that it is unfair to plaster an entire country with a label like some have. If such logic made sense, I cannot imagine what that would make Americans...

BTW, if no one else has said it to you, WELCOME TO DU! I think I will look forward to your reasoned voice very much in the future.



:yourock:

[Zachstar]

72. Don't depend on it being there all the time.

I just hope my posts go a small way towards deflecting the crazy neocon's tactic of words to recruit.

They come on this forum and print out post such as some of the crazed posts above us.

Then they show it at work, church, school, college, wherever and use it as proof that the democrats and constituionalists are nothing but a lot of terrorist and pirate lovers.

What if Michael Savage printed out a few to mention on his radio show? What if Rush is cruisin the forums? What if Han boy is planning an hour of tommorow's show just about this subject and is getting material from here? Those are just examples...

Had the situation not be so grave I would not have cared to post and let these people have their victory of words. But there are MORE important issues at state here that can define our future.

[Dead_Parrot]

74. "the crazy neocon's tactic of words to recruit"

What, like dropping "terrorist" into every other sentence, you mean?

Hmmm, now where else have I seen that recently... Let me think...

[Zachstar]

76. Why does it matter what they say?

The simple fact is it has worked greatly in furthering their cause.

OH so I get it now. I am being labeled as one of these right wing pricks who come from places like free republic with a deliberate agenda to cause problems here.

Now where is that buzzer? *Buzz* WRONG I am actually a middle winged constitutionalist.

Anyway back to the neocon agenda yes they do take this material and yes they do use it so.

Crazy comments on a public forum + neocon spy printing out the comments + a copy machine (or not) + the normal attachment of words + weak minded people (IE the majority of the nation at this rate) = More neocons

Not a very good math problem but it does demonstate how crazed comments here help their cause.

IE DUH!!

[Dead_Parrot]

78. Actually, I was pointing out you are a total hypocrite.

I'll see if I can find a video game to explain it to you.

[Bonobo]

82. Maybe a manga would be easier to find?

[Dead_Parrot]

86. Or some downloadable anime.

Sort of halfway...

[flvegan]

84. BAHAHAHAHA!!!

Wish I could nominate a single post.

[flvegan]

71. "Clear as daylight"

Then make with the clarity, poster.

Make with the clarity, poster.

[Zachstar]

73. That's "King of the Suburbs" thank you

Strange title but I got it from some classmates after I attempted (very poorly I might add to rap)

Anyway as for you and your either biasness or just lack of education I suggest you go on a nice long wiki trip and read some physics books. You can't idmagine how clear things can get after studying them for months.

Trust me I had to learn ORBITER sim and it was no walk in the park because of it's realism. Also you will note that it got me interested in surprisingly enough Navy activity. So that is when I began to check out boat sims like Silent Hunter 3 and Virtual Sailor.

Like I said you need to go learn all this stuff because if you don't understand the physics and stuff involved with this attack then your bias will rule.

Wiki, Wiki, Wiki

[flvegan]

75. Okay, hold on...

I don't "understand the physics and stuff involved" but you do because of sim video games?

Tell you what, I'll just leave that to laughter, okay?

[Zachstar]

77. Yes the video games started the interest.

Then you go read up on the physics and other dyamics (like space physics) To note how realistic your experience actually is.

BTW those are Simulators and not Arcade games as you must be viewing them.

Like I noted how Orbiter has not until recently simulated correctly the L points where you can basicly hover a craft in relation to a body without actually orbiting it.

Please don't just start attacking just because your are ignorant on the subject. Go READ READ READ so that you can understand the situation and not just post crap on a public forum that does not help the cause of the whale rights or justice.

[flvegan]

80. You're basing your posts on video games.

Okay, cool.

Simulators or whatever. BTW, I've got a couple commercial pilot buddies, so I've seen real simulators. I've got a couple Coast Guard friends that fly recon. Matter of fact, I've got an uncle with his own USCG cutter. I also had a dad that was 23 years Navy.

I've lived this. Your bullshit doesn't make for my ignorance. What it does, is suggest that you are just another gamer with a joystick and an opinion.

Your "realistic" is a fucking slap in the face of our enlisted kids. It's like saying that Brothers In Arms is like elisting and making with the lock 'n load. Stare down a fucking bullet, then let me know about realism.

Fucking damn disrespectful.

[Zachstar]

Interesting that you say that when I indicated that the game ..

Started the interest followed by RESEARCH.

This has been interesting for me as I've seen some good and bad from this topic. However I have no more time to try to educate such a biased brick wall.

And speaking of bringing the military into political issues theres this crap again. What's wrong with you? Did you see too many neocons shout how if you don't support Bush stuff and the war then you don't support the troops?

Enough of this I am a student who is atleast slightly interested in education even tho I have to deal with a neocon school of hell (IE school in Neocon ruled north Louisiana) Therefore I have a report I need to go research for.

I'm not here to get ego points I'm here to see if I can slow down this topic falling into a goldmine for neocon recruiters. Please try to not make it one.

Till the next topic (Hopefully the one that discusses the crew's arrest once back at port)

[flvegan]

89. Personal attacks aside

What research? I've seen your feedback, and that "research" should be taken before commission.

Yes, you are a student. Obvious. English 101 should be something you look into.

[Bonobo]

79. I've got "One Piece" of advice about calling the kettle black.

Someone who gets their romantic ideas of piracy from a manga shouldn't make fun of someone for starting their road to education with a simulation game.

Fake Pirate:


Real Pirate:

[flvegan]

83. Look, Bonobo

I don't get "romantic ideas" nor am I making fun.

If you want to defend someone that bases posts on video game reality, then have at it.

Better yet...enlist. See what it's really like. Then let us know how close it runs.

mark

[Bonobo]

85. You weren't making fun? You make fun in that very post!

"Better yet...enlist. See what it's really like. Then let us know how close it runs."

Enlist? Ha! Enlist in what?
Why WOULD I? And what does THAT have to do with ANYTHING?
But if you want to brag about something YOU have done, go ahead. I'm not stopping you.

[Bonobo]

87. Anyway, here's that link again to the real important thread about whales.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2729732

[flvegan]

88. I'll go check out the calling out.

However, your opinion on what's "real important" is sort of...well...you know...

[Bonobo]

90. Sure, yeah, err. I really suck I know...

BTW, nice approximation of English.

[flvegan]

91. That's it?

[Bonobo]

92. Yeah, that's it. I admit defeat. I have been soundly whipped.

Now could you go do something more important. Like read the other thread which has been invalidated in your mind simply because I said it was important.

:sarcasm:

[flvegan]

93. Would that be the one I posted in long before this tripe?

Just curious.

[Bonobo]

94. Umm, no the one I posted the link to twice that has received no attenton

from you. That one. The one that represents a danger to marine life far greater than these few ships here.

The one that is being done with YOUR tax money. The one you have said naught about. That one.

[flvegan]

95. Is that THIS one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2729732&mesg_id=2729732