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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:38 PM
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NATO Chief considers Putin''s remarks "disappointing, unhelpful"
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=950963

BERLIN, Feb 10 (KUNA) -- NATO chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer lashed out on Saturday at remarks of Russian President Vladimir Putin during the 43rd Munich Security Conference saying "I found his speech disappointing and unhelpful." De Hoop Scheffer rejected Putin's remarks, saying Putin set a defiant tone in the first few minutes of his address by warning the new unipolar world led by the US was far less secure than the old balance of power between the US and the former Soviet Union during the Cold War.

De Hoop Scheffer said there were a number of countries desiring to join the democratic family willingly and for this reason they want to be under the umbrella of the NATO.

Putin, who held secret talks with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, strongly criticized the US on global security issues including missile defense, NATO enlargement and what he termed hyper use of force.

Putin warned that a US-led "unipolar world" was unacceptable and had led to more wars and conflict across the globe.

"Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper-use of military force in international relations," he added. (end) sh.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:47 PM
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1. English text of speech expected at this website shortly:
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:26 PM
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11. Full text is here:
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 02:31 PM by Ghost Dog
http://kremlin.ru/eng/speeches/2007/02/11/0138_type82914type84779_118135.shtml

(not copyright; emphasis added; plenty of meat here, far beyond what the mindless media shills chose to hype, cf. the OP. (edited to add a little more emphasis)):

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This conference’s structure allows me to avoid excessive politeness and the need to speak in roundabout, pleasant but empty diplomatic terms. This conference’s format will allow me to say what I really think about international security problems. And if my comments seem unduly polemical, pointed or inexact to our colleagues, then I would ask you not to get angry with me. After all, this is only a conference. And I hope that after the first two or three minutes of my speech Mr Teltschik will not turn on the red light over there.

Therefore. It is well known that international security comprises much more than issues relating to military and political stability. It involves the stability of the global economy, overcoming poverty, economic security and developing a dialogue between civilisations.

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”. As Franklin D. Roosevelt said during the first few days that the Second World War was breaking out: “When peace has been broken anywhere, the peace of all countries everywhere is in danger.”

These words remain topical today. Incidentally, the theme of our conference – global crises, global responsibility – exemplifies this.

...

I consider that the unipolar model is not only unacceptable but also impossible in today’s world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership in today’s – and precisely in today’s – world, then the military, political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.

Along with this, what is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension. Judge for yourselves: wars as well as local and regional conflicts have not diminished. Mr Teltschik mentioned this very gently. And no less people perish in these conflicts – even more are dying than before. Significantly more, significantly more!

Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force – military force – in international relations, force that is plunging the world into an abyss of permanent conflicts. As a result we do not have sufficient strength to find a comprehensive solution to any one of these conflicts. Finding a political settlement also becomes impossible.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

In international relations we increasingly see the desire to resolve a given question according to so-called issues of political expediency, based on the current political climate.

And of course this is extremely dangerous. It results in the fact that no one feels safe. I want to emphasise this – no one feels safe! Because no one can feel that international law is like a stone wall that will protect them. Of course such a policy stimulates an arms race.

The force’s dominance inevitably encourages a number of countries to acquire weapons of mass destruction. Moreover, significantly new threats – though they were also well-known before – have appeared, and today threats such as terrorism have taken on a global character.


I am convinced that we have reached that decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security.

And we must proceed by searching for a reasonable balance between the interests of all participants in the international dialogue. Especially since the international landscape is so varied and changes so quickly – changes in light of the dynamic development in a whole number of countries and regions.

...

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

The potential danger of the destabilisation of international relations is connected with obvious stagnation in the disarmament issue.

Russia supports the renewal of dialogue on this important question.

It is important to conserve the international legal framework relating to weapons destruction and therefore ensure continuity in the process of reducing nuclear weapons.

Together with the United States of America we agreed to reduce our nuclear strategic missile capabilities to up to 1700-2000 nuclear warheads by 31 December 2012. Russia intends to strictly fulfil the obligations it has taken on. We hope that our partners will also act in a transparent way and will refrain from laying aside a couple of hundred superfluous nuclear warheads for a rainy day. And if today the new American Defence Minister declares that the United States will not hide these superfluous weapons in warehouse or, as one might say, under a pillow or under the blanket, then I suggest that we all rise and greet this declaration standing. It would be a very important declaration.

Russia strictly adheres to and intends to further adhere to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as well as the multilateral supervision regime for missile technologies. The principles incorporated in these documents are universal ones.

...

In Russia’s opinion, the militarisation of outer space could have unpredictable consequences for the international community, and provoke nothing less than the beginning of a nuclear era. And we have come forward more than once with initiatives designed to prevent the use of weapons in outer space.

...

And here in Germany I cannot help but mention the pitiable condition of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe.

The Adapted Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe was signed in 1999. It took into account a new geopolitical reality, namely the elimination of the Warsaw bloc. Seven years have passed and only four states have ratified this document, including the Russian Federation.

NATO countries openly declared that they will not ratify this treaty, including the provisions on flank restrictions (on deploying a certain number of armed forces in the flank zones), until Russia removed its military bases from Georgia and Moldova. Our army is leaving Georgia, even according to an accelerated schedule. We resolved the problems we had with our Georgian colleagues, as everybody knows. There are still 1,500 servicemen in Moldova that are carrying out peacekeeping operations and protecting warehouses with ammunition left over from Soviet times. We constantly discuss this issue with Mr Solana and he knows our position. We are ready to further work in this direction.

But what is happening at the same time? Simultaneously the so-called flexible frontline American bases with up to five thousand men in each. It turns out that NATO has put its frontline forces on our borders, and we continue to strictly fulfil the treaty obligations and do not react to these actions at all.

...

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

We are unequivocally in favour of strengthening the regime of non-proliferation. The present international legal principles allow us to develop technologies to manufacture nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes. And many countries with all good reasons want to create their own nuclear energy as a basis for their energy independence. But we also understand that these technologies can be quickly transformed into nuclear weapons.

This creates serious international tensions. The situation surrounding the Iranian nuclear programme acts as a clear example. And if the international community does not find a reasonable solution for resolving this conflict of interests, the world will continue to suffer similar, destabilising crises because there are more threshold countries than simply Iran. We both know this. We are going to constantly fight against the threat of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Last year Russia put forward the initiative to establish international centres for the enrichment of uranium. We are open to the possibility that such centres not only be created in Russia, but also in other countries where there is a legitimate basis for using civil nuclear energy. Countries that want to develop their nuclear energy could guarantee that they will receive fuel through direct participation in these centres. And the centres would, of course, operate under strict IAEA supervision.

The latest initiatives put forward by American President George W. Bush are in conformity with the Russian proposals. I consider that Russia and the USA are objectively and equally interested in strengthening the regime of the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their deployment. It is precisely our countries, with leading nuclear and missile capabilities, that must act as leaders in developing new, stricter non-proliferation measures. Russia is ready for such work. We are engaged in consultations with our American friends.

In general, we should talk about establishing a whole system of political incentives and economic stimuli whereby it would not be in states’ interests to establish their own capabilities in the nuclear fuel cycle but they would still have the opportunity to develop nuclear energy and strengthen their energy capabilities.

...

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

In conclusion I would like to note the following. We very often – and personally, I very often – hear appeals by our partners, including our European partners, to the effect that Russia should play an increasingly active role in world affairs.

In connection with this I would allow myself to make one small remark. It is hardly necessary to incite us to do so. Russia is a country with a history that spans more than a thousand years and has practically always used the privilege to carry out an independent foreign policy.

We are not going to change this tradition today. At the same time, we are well aware of how the world has changed and we have a realistic sense of our own opportunities and potential. And of course we would like to interact with responsible and independent partners with whom we could work together in constructing a fair and democratic world order that would ensure security and prosperity not only for a select few, but for all.

Thank you for your attention.

To be continued.


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:18 PM
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2. Jaap needs his job. Putin is not helping Jaap keep his job. nt
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:05 PM
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3. Tisk tisk...Karma is a bummer.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:14 PM
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4. Putin blasts U.S. for 'very dangerous' foreign policies
Putin blasts U.S. for 'very dangerous' foreign policies
Last Updated: Saturday, February 10, 2007 | 8:19 PM ET
CBC News

U.S. foreign policies are prompting countries around the world to develop nuclear arms, Putin told a security conference in Munich on Saturday in what many observers said were the strongest verbal attack that Putin has made on Washington.

Putin, speaking through a translator, said countries were "witnessing the almost uncontained, hyper use of force in international relations."

"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," Putin told the annual Munich Conference on Security Policy.

"It is a world of one master, one sovereign.… It has nothing to do with democracy," he told the gathering of senior security officials from around the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/10/putin-speech.html
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:09 AM
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10. Putin doesn't come across as a very convincing
Ghandi type with his KGB background and all.
He is willing to supply cheap weapons and relive "the good old days" of his Soviet past.

Just sayin, take whatever Putin says with a grain of salt. The same guy who * said "I looked into his eyes and saw a decent man".
You can't trust either one at this point of their political careers
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:30 PM
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14. Well
If you don't think that Russia is dead serious about preventing NATO from surrounding them, then there is not much else to say.

Look at what is happening, not the people that are talking.

Everyone is worried. They are searching for alliances.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:25 PM
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5. Sad that a murdering SOB like Putin has to be truth teller in this.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:31 PM
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6. And let's all thank "our higher power" that Dear Leader is not NEAR
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 09:34 PM by ShortnFiery
as intelligent as Putin. :wow: ;) --> The People are seeing through his mask.

High Intelligence and Pure Evil rests with Darth Cheney. :(
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:22 PM
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7. Putin makes harsh attack on U.S. foreign policy
Munich, Germany — Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the United States Saturday for the "almost uncontained" use of force — which he said is encouraging other countries to acquire nuclear weapons to counter American pressure.

In what his spokesman acknowledged were his harshest attacks on the U.S. since taking office in 2000, Mr. Putin also criticized U.S. plans for missile defence systems and NATO's expansion.

But he voiced concern about U.S. plans to build a missile defence system in eastern Europe — likely in Poland and the Czech Republic — and the expansion of NATO as possible challenges to Russia.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070210.wusputin0210/BNStory/Front/home
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:37 PM
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8. "lashed out"??!
"I found his speech disappointing and unhelpful."

THIS is "lashed out"??!

Ohhhhkay.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:28 AM
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9. Jaap de Hoop Scheffer? Is that really
his name? (ok).

Sorry but Putin has been quite accurate about his statements lately.

(and you know it Mr. Scheffer).
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 04:34 PM
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12. And, via the FT, here's the 'clever' response from Mr. Gates (yes, the 'other one'):
emphasis added

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/416a7706-b9cc-11db-89c8-0000779e2340.html

Gates brushes aside Putin’s anti-US tirade
By Demetri Sevastopulo in Munich
Published: February 11 2007 13:06 | Last updated: February 11 2007 20:17

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, on Sunday brushed aside a blistering attack on US foreign policy by Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, saying that “one cold war was quite enough”.

Mr Putin lambasted US foreign policy in a theatrical display at a high-profile Munich security conference on Saturday, saying “illegal” unilateral military action had plunged the world into an “abyss of permanent conflicts”.

In his first major international speech since succeeding Donald Rumsfeld in December, Mr Gates avoided upping the ante with the former KGB officer by laughing off his polemic.

“As an old cold warrior, one of yesterday’s speeches almost filled me with nostalgia for a less complex time,” said Mr Gates. “Almost.”

The former head of the Central Intelligence Agency continued: “I guess, old spies have a habit of blunt speaking. However, I have been to re-education camp, spending four and--half years as a university president and dealing with faculty. And, as more than a few university presidents have learned in recent years, when it comes to faculty it is either ‘be nice’ or ‘be gone’.”

/more...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:53 PM
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13. One can hardly blame any sovereign nation for feeling at jeopardy
when torture, preemptive war, rendition, and all the etcs. are on the Bush agenda.
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