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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:29 AM
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Official: Saddam May Face Death Penalty (trial possibly in "weeks")
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 07:00 AM by Newsjock
Edit to add link, change title to conform
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/7495850.htm

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein could be tried "in the next few weeks" and could be executed if convicted, one Iraqi Governing Council member said Monday. Other council members said a trial would likely begin later.

The trial will begin "very soon, in the next few weeks," said Mouwafak al-Rabii, a Shiite Muslim council member, told The Associated Press. "I can tell you he is going to be the first."

Al-Rabii noted that the U.S.-led occupation authorities have suspended the death penalty until there's a sovereign government, which is expected by July 1 under a deal with the U.S.-led coalition.

"We will get sovereignty on the 30th of June, and I can tell you, he could be executed on the 1st of July," said al-Rabii, a longtime human rights activist.

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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:42 AM
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1. There goes Europe
UK pulls out at that point. The death penalty is going to be a real problem here.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:25 AM
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6. Big time too Blair will have serious problems over this one!
Good.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:36 AM
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13. no, unless Britain is an official part of the trial process
it won't be a problem. British Law Lords have acted as the last court of appeal for some otherwise independent Caribbean countries, which retained the death penalty (although this may change: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1089889,00.html
)
Also:

"Mr Straw indicated that, while Britain opposed the death penalty anywhere, he recognised the "reality" that it did exist.

"In the end, it is for sovereign governments and their courts," he told a news conference in London. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3318531.stm

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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 10:09 AM
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18. why?
Is Saddam a British citizen. They were right to furious about UK citizens at the Guantanamo death camp.

I can't imagine there will be much formal political objection over this.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:59 AM
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2. Iraqi Governing Council
won't be able to do more than to try Saddam in absentia (sp?)- if that

Saddam is in some undisclosed bunker in Bush*'s custody - so don't fool yourself in thinking that Bush* will turn him over to the Iraqi's

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:11 AM
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4. I hope Saddam Hussein's trail is at the Hauge -
It would seem to me that the US wouldn't encourage an open trial where some in the US would be exposed as the connection to Saddam's ruthless power. And the fact that Saddam obtained chemicals from the US for mass destruction.

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zubeneshamali Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:44 AM
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8. Not me.
Bush said this was a victory for Iraq. To deny them the opportunity to try their opressor would be to rob them of their long anticipated victory. Wring him dry in Gitmo, and then send him home.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:01 AM
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11. Unfortunately for the Chimpster, the vast majority of Iraqis now believe..
...that life was much better under Saddam. At least the Iraqis had electricity, food, water, and jobs under Saddam.
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BenFranklinUSA Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:19 AM
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17. Better? Where do you get that?
Iraqis DO realize their resource issues are complicated by sabatoge.
They ARE distressed, but thankful Saddam is out.
Of course, they could choose to go back to submitting their daughters to being raped by Ba'athist in exchange for a tank of petrol, but I doubt it.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:26 PM
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23. And the trains ran on time.
Yeah, fascism rules.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:46 AM
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19. I agree-let the Iraqis deal with him.
If they decide to kill him, well, it's Allah's justice. If the US kills him, we'll just make him a martyr for the radical islamic nutjob terrorists out there.

I'm opposed to the death penalty, but recognize that it is inevitable in this case.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 12:44 PM
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20. The charges against Saddam will stand up in ANY court
if they're legit. Neither an Iraqi or US-controlled trial can be considered thuroughly objective. A public international trial is the closest we can get to neutral territory. (Oh, goody, Georgie STILL has the opportunitity to screw this up!)


rocknation
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:12 AM
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25. Actually, I heard a legal specialist say on French TV last night...
...that they're not sure what Iraqi laws Saddam might be tried under in a national court. If the trial is held in Iraq, it seems it will be necessary to write laws retroactively to fit his crimes.
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:03 AM
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24. But not all Saddam's victims were Iraqis
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 02:15 AM by Paschall
A national trial in Iraq would prevent those victims in Iran and Kuwait from obtaining justice.

That's why Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian human rights lawyer who just won the Nobel Peace Prize, has said she favors an international trial.

I think it's an important point, particularly if hearing the claims of Iranian and Kuwaiti plaintiffs allowed the court to look into Iraqi foreign alliances in the 1980s. *wink wink nudge nudge*
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:05 AM
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14. Don't count on it
There is no way that the Administration will allow for a trial that would shed light on such unpleasant little facts.

A fair and honest trial would have to conclude that the US war on Iraq was a criminal act of aggression.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:09 AM
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3. I wonder what rights al-Rabii are protecting..
.. since I thought that death penalty was one of the arch enemies of Human Rights activists.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:23 AM
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5. I think they'll drag it out *unless* there is a growing movement for...
an international trial at The Hague, which will force them to start early as a fait accompli.
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zubeneshamali Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:40 AM
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7. Europeans getting weak kneed at the prospect of justice for dictators?
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 07:41 AM by zubeneshamali
So what else is new? Maybe this is why the trial and penalty phase will be held in Iraq, you think?

Personally, for a reprobate like Saddam, it would be nice if he took a little Carrib. cruise down to Gitmo or a few months until the Iraqi government gets on its feet and and the suspension ends.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:58 AM
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10. What kind of punishment would you propose for Sharon...
...and the Chimpster? In the eyes of most people, they're no better than Saddam.
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:23 AM
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26. Being opposed to the death penalty is "weak kneed"?
Oh. I see you draw inspiration from Leviticus for your jurisprudence. Enough said.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:48 AM
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9. We've already turned Saddam into a martyr in the eyes of a number....
...of large factions within Iraq, so I really don't think allowing him to be executed is going to help.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:12 AM
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12. I bet you Saddam is "accidently" killed!
Ha ha, to quote Clint Eastwood, "NO TRIAL, NO REPORTS TO FILE..."
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:11 AM
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16. That wouldn't surprise me in the least
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 01:28 PM
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22. A nice simple cold, fall, slip, etc.
A lot of tough and potentially embarassing question avoided.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:07 AM
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15. I seriously doubt that there will be a trial before Nov 2004
Too much damaging info would come out.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 01:23 PM
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21. Plus
I have a feeling that he will never make it to trial. Shot while trying to "escape" or something. If there is a trial, it will only be a show trial; his guilt is pretty much a foregone conclusion and the information that could come out would be damaging to the US.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:23 AM
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27. absolutely! and it will be in Iraq and the death penaly will be carried
out immediately....they can NOT let this man's testimony speak to the world
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:11 AM
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28. They were not supposed to take Saddam alive
Now that they are stuck with him, I won't be surprised if there is some sort of quickie, bogus 'trial' and then the US will allow the Iraqis who hate him, to have their way with him. The WH is probably creating the backdrops for the parading of Saddam's body thru Baghdad has we speak.

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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:14 AM
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29. IRAQI JUSTICE
Didnt Iraq just do away with the death penalty in order to show that they can become a DEMOCRATIC society?
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