E. Howard Hunt dead

[RB TexLa]

MIAMI (AP) The son of E. Howard Hunt, who helped organize the Watergate break-in that led to the downfall of Richard Nixon's presidency, says his father has died.


http://www.dailycomet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/APN/701233391

[democraticinsurgent]

1. umm, didn't he just suggest that LBJ had JFK killed? n/t

[Poiuyt]

4. Yes. Interesting timing

[anotherdrew]

7. he's far from the only one to make that sugestion

that worthless POS LBJ was just another piece of TEXAS garbage, linked in with all the right-wing fascist bastards.

have you ever heard the audio of this sick little bastard LBJ phoning Kennedy's wife to offer his condolences? If you listen to that tape there's be little doubt left that the fuck wit sure as hell was involved. Wish I knew where to find that, it was played on some radio show when I heard it.

[Greeby]

10. Whitehousetapes.org has it

http://www.whitehousetapes.org
http://128.143.21.78/clips/lbj_jackie_kennedy.html

December 2nd 1963
Lyndon Johnson calls Jackie Kennedy ten days after the assassination, as she prepared to leave the White House.

[psychopomp]

52. That is one of the creepiest things I have heard

--really. Thanks.

[RaRa]

11. Huh?

I just listened to Greeby's link and LJB was creepy as hell, but I did miss something in the recording? Where do you figure he was involved based on this? Just asking...

[MissWaverly]

14. I think LBJ had a "crush" on Jackie

but I don't think that makes him involved in JFK's death, E. Howard Hunt was one of those
people if he said it was raining, I would have to look for myself.

[anotherdrew]

28. LBJ Night Before JFK Assassination: "Those SOB's Will Never Embarrass Me Again"

here's a clip, google for the rest of the story...

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 30 2006

The night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again. It's a jaw-dropping deposition and it's the biggest JFK smoking gun there is - despite the fact that it has received little media attention.

Before her death on June 22 2002, prolific author and lecturer Robert Gaylon Ross had the opportunity to conduct an 80 minute sit-down interview with Madeleine Duncan Brown and from that lengthy discussion the truth about exactly who was behind the assassination of JFK was exposed.

Though Brown first went public on her 21-year relationship with Johnson in the early 80's, to this day her shocking revelations about how he had told her the Kennedy's "would never embarrass me again" the night before the assassination are often ignored by the media who prefer to keep the debate focused on issues which can't definitively be proven either way (or at least can be spinned and whitewashed).

it is important to note that before her death Brown carried no hostility towards Lyndon Johnson and in fact was just as smitten with him as on the first day they met.

Brown said that the plan to kill JFK had its origins in the 1960 Democratic Convention, at which John F. Kennedy was elected as presidential candidate with Johnson as his running mate, where H.L. Hunt, an American oil tycoon, and Lyndon Johnson hatched the assassination plot.

"When they met in California Joe Kennedy, John Kennedy's father, and H.L. Hunt met met three days prior to the election - they finally cut a deal according to John Currington (an aide to H.L. Hunt) and H.L. finally agreed that Lyndon would go as the vice president....this came from the horse's mouth way back in 1960 - when H.L. came back to Dallas I was walking....with him....and he made the remark, 'we may have lost a battle but we're going to win a war,' and then the day of the assassination he said 'well, we won the war'," said Brown.

Brown said that in the immediate aftermath of the convention Hunt and Johnson mapped out a strategy to kill Kennedy.

"It was a total political crime and H.L. Hunt really controlled what actually happened to John Kennedy - he and Lyndon Johnson," said Brown.

"They had this lodge....outside of Dallas and they would meet there....he chose different people to do certain things for him and I'm sure it went on about two years prior to the assassination of John Kennedy."

[MissWaverly]

12. you must be referring to the LBJ Tapes

Transcripts of which are in Reaching for Glory by Michael Beschloss, these are transcripts
from the secret tapes LBJ made summer of 1964 to summer of 1965.

Monday December 2, 1963
Jackie: Mr. President
LBJ: I just wanted you to know that you were loved by so many and so much and---
Jackie: Oh, Mr. President!
LBJ: - I am one of them.
Jackie: I tried. I didn't DARE bother you again, but I got Kenny O'Donnell over here
to give you a message if he ever saw you. Did he give it to you yet?
LBJ: No.
Jackie: About my letter? That was waiting for me last night?
LBJ: Listen, sweetie. Now first thing you have got to learn-you've got some things
to learn, and one of them is that you don't bother me. You give me strength."

This is on page 12 of the book.

[Shakespeare]

13. Yup.

I happen to share your sentiments about LBJ, btw. He was one evil, dirty bastard.

[SharonAnn]

30. Read "Means of Ascent". LBJ's Senate campaign was the blueprint for the 2000 presidential campaign

[Me.]

20. Book Due Out In April

Familiarity bred boredom, at least for him

“January 14, 2007 -- E. HOWARD Hunt - the shadowy former CIA man who organized the Watergate break-in and was once eyed in the assassination of President Kennedy - bizarrely says that Lyndon Johnson could be seen as a prime suspect in the rubout.

Only the most far-out conspiracy theorists believe in scenarios like Hunt's. But in a new memoir, "American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate & Beyond," due out in April, Hunt, 88, writes: "Having Kennedy liquidated, thus elevating himself to the presidency without having to work for it himself, could have been a very tempting and logical move on Johnson's part.

"LBJ had the money and the connections to manipulate the scenario in Dallas and is on record as having convinced JFK to make the appearance in the first place. He further tried unsuccessfully to engineer the passengers of each vehicle, trying to get his good buddy, Gov. Connolly, to ride with him instead of in JFK's car - where . . . he would have been out of danger."

Hunt says Johnson also had easy access to CIA man William Harvey, who'd been demoted when he tried to have Fidel Castro poisoned in defiance of orders to drop covert operations against Cuba. Harvey was "a ruthless man who was not satisfied with his position in the
CIA and its government salary," Hunt writes.” Cont…

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01142007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

[rcdean]

27. Hunt is correct about each of these points except...

1) I don't buy that Hunt was not one of the tramps. The photos are pretty convincing. I think Hunt was probably one of the shooters in fact. His CIA connections would explain the tramps' quick release--with only the flimsiest records of their detention being kept by the Dallas police.

2) I believe LBJ knew about the assassination and helped cover it up, but I believe the operation was executed by the right wingers in the Joint Chiefs and CIA, led probably by Dulles and Curtis LeMay, who wanted JFK out so they could send troops into Nam which JFK resolutely refused to do, and so they could cut off any further back-channel efforts by JFK to achieve detente with the Soviets.

One important point Hunt didn't apparently mention is the critical role Conally played in rerouting the motorcade, so that instead or passing down Main St. at 35mpg, another hundred yards from the Book Depository and grassy knoll, it would pass directly under them, on Elm St, at 12 mpg. Conally did this through a phony phone call conducted in the presence of JFK's aid, Jerry Bruno, as detailed in his 1971 book "Advance Man."

[jberryhill]

35. Tramp ID's...

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/3tramps.htm

[rcdean]

46. Those who ridicule "conspiracy theorists" are despicable.

This John McAdams site is full of such ridicule.

I have enormous respect for the thousands of men and women who have worked very hard against all odds to try to find out what really happened in the murder of a President of the United States. Nobody else has made such an effort; certainly not the WC.

Having said that, I was not aware of the discovery of these police IDs in 1999 after the Dallas City Council released it's records 7 years earlier (30 years after JFK's murder!!!).

I agree this is persuasive information. But in a case where deliberate, planted misinformation abounds, I don't trust anybody.

To ridicule researchers for being dismayed at the coincidence of finding 3 reasonably well dressed, healthy, well-fed, clean and clean shaven men hiding in a box car a couple hundred feet behind the grassy knoll less than half an hour after the President's murder, and then to have them released and their arrest records disappear, with all 3 of them resembling other well known figures, the researchers have nothing at all to be ashamed of for suspecting their involvement in what was obviously a much larger plot.

The people who SHOULD be ashamed are those who ridicule the "conspiracy theorists" as kooks and wackos. The real vermin are the people like John McAdams.

[jberryhill]

49. I am not responsible for the characterizing comments there, but

the information is what it is.

Hoboes were more common then than now, and finding men in a railyard getting onto a box car was also not uncommon. As far as them being fed, clean shaven, and freshly dressed, interviews with them later indicate they had stayed at a breakfast mission which did indeed provide them with food, a shave, and clothing. I'm not sure where the characterization of them "hiding" in a box car comes from, though, but hitching rides on trains was not something one tried to draw attention to.

[Greeby]

2. And the world is a little cleaner nt

[mitchum]

3. Rest In...uh...uh...uh...something

[northofdenali]

34. Doesn't it go something like

rest in piss? or something resembling that word? Whatever -

No loss. I feel for his family, but that's it - he deserves the afterlife he earned here on earth.

[roamer65]

5. Now there you go, bringing up that whole "Bay of Pigs" thing again.

Doing my Nixon impression.:silly:

"People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook, well I'm not a crook."

I still like what Martha Mitchell said about Nixon. "Nixon bleeds people".

[goforit]

29. This will haunt the Bush family forever.

[gratuitous]

6. But the incalculable damage he did to America lives on

I see Mr. Hunt at the business end of a giant fly, wiping its butt for all eternity.

[Casablanca]

8. To borrow a metaphor from the movie "Nixon", he covered up a lot of pus.

But the wound never healed.

[MrPrax]

9. He was a 'sad and horrible thing'

“May God have mercy on my soul for the deaths on my name and for the treachery I committed. Betrayal of God and country, what a sad and horrible thing it is.”

- E. Howard Hunt

from ThinkExist

(anyone know the context...?)

[AndyA]

15. Died on the day of Bush's SOTU Address. An OMEN perhaps?

Of things to come for Bush?

WATERGATE - DOWNFALL OF NIXON - IMPEACHMENT - RESIGNING IN DISGRACE

Could it be in Bush's future? Karma is karma after all...

[Raine]

16. He KNEW where all the 'bodies were buried'

now he's dead ... um :tinfoilhat:

[DURHAM D]

17. The item released last week by Hunt suggesting that LBJ

is somehow responsible for JFK's death is crap. He probably did not even know "he" had released the info - it was probably done by the spooks. I think it was designed to give Poppy Bush cover by starting a sideshow.

[Omaha Steve]

19. What about the G H W Bush photo at the depository? Look for yourself!

[Imagevision]

31. That is Sr. Bush out front, the ole man has balls - Even Prescott Bush did a deal with Hitler

The Bush family make the mob look like punks,

[Faygo Kid]

18. Talk about an epitaph.

He sure has one.

[bpeale]

21. BREAKING NEWS: Watergate burglar dead

Just announced: the death of E. Howard Hunt, age 88

[UrbScotty]

22. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2700583

[roamer65]

23. Something I did not know until now.

William F. Buckley is CIA. E. Howard Hunt was his boss from their CIA days. They were good friends.:wow:

[FARAFIELD]

24. He wasnt one of the burgalars

He put together the team and got the money, but was not one of the burglars. LIddy led the team of burgalars and watched from across the street but didnt go in.

[Nickster]

26. Liddy and Hunt watched together. n/t

[3waygeek]

25. Spooky...

A little over a week ago, Hunt suggested that LBJ may have had a role in JFK's assassination -- and now he's dead.

That should keep the tinfoil hatters busy for a few decades.:tinfoilhat:

[Zhade]

32. One less monster in the world, but one more loss of a criminal witness.

NT!

[Imagevision]

33. Wasn't E. Howard Hunt one of the three tramps the Dallas police dept.

waltzed them away from the school book depository, brought them to the station ->never photographed or printed them?

[jberryhill]

36. Photographed and Printed?

On probable cause of what?

Even in 1964, police could not just book people at random.

They weren't arrested on probable cause of having committed a crime. They were briefly detained and questioned for the purpose of investigation. In the absence of probable cause to arrest someone, that's what happens.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/3tramps.htm

[struggle4progress]

45. Gonna take a wild guess that you never lived in 1960s Dallas: the po-lice there then ..

.. wasn't always too interested in the niceties of folks' civil rights and civil liberties ...

[rcdean]

47. Excuse me? Hiding in a box car 200' behind the grassy knoll...

discovered there within minutes of the murder of the President of the United States. You don't think there was probable cause to detain them?

They are reasonably well dressed, well fed, clean, clean shaven, reasonably well groomed and healthy. You think they should automatically be categorized as innocent vagabonds?

But the capper is that their records disappeared and were not discovered until 1999. That would be 36 years later! You don't think people should be suspicious of this?

[jberryhill]

50. No, I don't

There were hundreds of people in the area within minutes of the murder, do I think everyone within 200 feet of Dealey Plaza should have been arrested?

There is a railyard there. The guys had stayed at a breakfast mission where they could get a meal, a shave, and clothing. Finding guys in a railyard getting onto a boxcar was not unusual in 1964.

Probable cause requires a definite basis to believe that the suspect had committed a crime. Being in the vicinity of a crime doesn't alone provide a basis for arrest. Did I say they should "automatically be characterized" as anything, no.

But, let's suppose that you get together with two other guys to shoot someone in a public place. After the shooting, do you:

(a) leave together as a group; or
(b) leave in separate directions?

And what would be the point of using an illegal means of transportation to get away afterwards? Why not just fade into the crowd and go your separate ways? It's not as if, given uncertain delays in the arrival and motorcade, one could have planned to use a freight train to be departing immediately after JFK's presence in Dealey Plaza.

They were detained. They were interviewed. The police obviously saw no reason to keep them. Even if they had high-level connections which were invoked to let them go, it is not as if during an investigatory detention any of them would have been provided with a phone call out - and it is not as if the beat level officers on the Dallas force wouldn't have noticed that.

If you want to believe the Dallas PD records are forgeries, that's fine, you are entitled to do so. But then we have to add some more people to the conspiracy, since the ID's on the hoboes check out, as noted in the interviews with the two surviving ones and the family members of the deceased one.

[rcdean]

55. I'm sure glad you're not influencing law enforcement.

A president of the United States is murdered in broad daylight. A train is stopped just near the overpass next to where he was killed. There's a tower manned by attendants on the murder side of the overpass in the parking lot a couple hundred feet in a slightly different direction, so fleeing from the scened would not have been wise for the shooters. A few minutes after the murder, police decide to inspect the train. They discover 3 men in a boxcar. The men are not obviously vagrants.

Now you're saying--in response to the question I asked--you're saying those men should not have been arrested?

And you're saying it was not suspicious that their arrest records went missing for 36 years?

And by the way, you're saying--not me--that there were/are suspicions of the accuracy and legitimacy of the "arrest records" that did surface in 1999.

You've been reading wayyyy too much Gerald Posner.

I'd have to characterize views like those you've expressed as those of a coincidence theorist.

[jberryhill]

56. Fleeing the Scene?

They *were* arrested and detained as investigative suspects. I don't have an argument with that. But if you mean they could have been held on a charge of murder due to the mere fact that they were in a boxcar in a nearby railyard makes me glad you aren't a cop.

Hundreds of people were fleeing the scene. That's what happens when someone gets shot in a public place. The attendants didn't see these guys come running in from the direction of Dealey Plaza?

But these guys were not even on the scene. Over in the railyard, they probably didn't even know what was going on. Is there any account of anyone seeing these three guys on the scene in Dealey Plaza?

A living guy who looks more like the "Howard Hunt" tramp than Howard Hunt, and who was a tramp, has told his story, and the ID's on the other two guys also check out with guys who were (a) hoboes and (b) in Dallas that day.

You don't seem to understand the point about whether the arrest records are forgeries. How did someone forge arrest records of three guys who check out to have been tramps in Dallas that day. That's a pretty cool trick.

[rcdean]

60. Didn't say that. Have you heard of holding people on "suspicion" ?

I mentioned fleeing because you suggested that would have been the natural thing for the killer(s) to do. I pointed out there were people who might well have seen anybody fleeing in that area.

So, since the train--with its locomotive engine idling--was within several feet of the overpass, and extended down the tracks along the parking lot area behind the grassy knoll, hiding in it or moving along the Freeway side of it would be the most sensible means of concealment.

And yes they were hiding in the box car. The door was closed, and the yard employee who tried to open it at first needed to get assistance.

Unless one is terribly naive, it is not hard to imagine planning a cover such as this. Hobos were more common then than now, and perhaps very common in this area. They were released within minutes, so clearly their stories were not checked out (nor is there any evidence in the records ultimately found that any effort was made to run down their alibis.

One would think a police department would be very concerned about being fastidious in records and suspect checking given that the victim was the worlds most powerful human being.

Holding these guys on "suspicion" of involvement would hardly have been outside the realm of common sense. Yes they did that back then just as they do now -- even in Texas.

The railyard, btw, abuts Dealey Plaza. It's not "over there." The tracks and overpass form the Stimson Freeway side boundary of Dealey Plaza. Have you been there?

You don't seem to understand that I do not in any way argue for the certainty that the 3d tramp was Hunt. As I've said time and again, my sole point is that it has been perfectly legitimate and rational for "conspiracy theorists" to have been suspicious about this possible connection lo these many years--particularly since the Dallas Police records on them went missing.

And yes I do think it's entirely possible for the CIA elements involved in JFK's murder to concoct records and plant people who will vouch for certain things. Especially when they are given 30 years to do it.

[jberryhill]

61. Yes, and if it helps, I got an A in Criminal Procedure in Law School

Please... with the patronizing questions, this is first semester Crim Pro. They WERE held on suspicion. What you can't do is lock someone up overnight on that basis.

Someone can be briefly detained on suspicion. They cannot be arrested and then held without probable cause. A "stop and frisk" or investigative detention can only go so far as to provide more or less of a reason to confirm or dispel that suspicion. If they were only briefly held and questioned, then it seems that whatever the cops asked, and whatever these guys said, was sufficient to dispel the suspicion. I can't believe that the cops were not, at that time, extremely motivated not to allow a likely suspect to get away. And if the cops received orders to let someone go whom they thought was a likely or plausible suspect, I would assess the odds of those cops not talking, ever, to be extremely low. I would bet that cops, in 1964, in Dallas, had a plenty of experience dealing with hoboes, and would have the sort of "spider sense" to figure out if they had a hobo on their hands.

Good golly, two of them are still alive, if you want, you can ask them questions yourself. Doyle gave a freaking TV interview on the subject.

It still seems like an immensely stupid getaway plan for sophisticated agents. I mean, yes, they picked up McVeigh for not having a valid license plate on his car, but for these characters to say, "Okay, then after the shooting we are going to get away by committing a misdemeanor for which we might get caught" is just brain-damaged.

If the thread is about whether it is reasonable for people to have made the Hunt hypothesis, then that's fine. Anyone is entitled to any opinion, and I'm not as interested in people's thought processes than I am in who were these three guys. Your beef seems to be that your feelings are hurt because the website in question expresses disdain about people with other opinions. If that's the issue here then, please, come on over to my place and I'll give you a big hug and a bowl of ice cream. Yeah, people thought it looked like Hunt. Most of those people looked at various books and things which provided side-by-side pictures of the tramp and Hunt - and only Hunt - and which said "this guy looks like Hunt". Under those circumstances I don't have a personal issue with someone who looked at that stuff and ended up saying "this guy looks like Hunt". When I was younger, I looked like Bruce Willis. It didn't get me into Demi Moore's pants, though.

But your other point, upon pointing out dissimilarities with physical features of Hunt's head, is that Hunt could have had plastic surgery then, again, if you believe that, that's fine too, you can still get a hug and the ice cream from me. I would only suggest that ANYBODY could have had plastic surgery since 1964, so the entire point revolving around whether someone does or does not look like the guy in that photo is pretty much a distraction then, isn't it? If we want to bring in plastic surgery then, fine, Michael Jackson shot JFK.

So, sure, after a long time, the agents of whatever found a living person who looks like the tramp, paid him off to maintain that he was the tramp, had him memorize a whole fake hobo biography so he could give a TV interview, and then forged the Dallas PD record to put that guy's name on it, all to dispel the fact that it was really Hunt, who had since had his face and ear surgically altered. Not only that, but they had to come up with two other guys who would also have biographies that check out with the newly-forged records AND they had to pay off supposed "family members" to back all three guys up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I want to get on the payroll, because there's a whole lotta folks hitching a ride in the boxcars of this gravy train.

[rcdean]

66. Great! So did I. But thanks for the invitation and acknowledgment

Don't eat ice cream any more, but thanks anyhow.

May I suggest--without trying to be patronizing--that you may find it fascinating to dig further into the complexities of the JFK assassination.

I spent a full year studying this exhaustively in the early 90s, and I can assure you there is absolutely no way the Warren Commission conclusions are anything other than a cover-up.

There's some very good work out there. And there's a lot of garbage. But it's not that hard for a person with strong rational analysis capabilities to discern the difference.

Had a handler assigned to me at a JFK conference once after writing a few articles on the subject in a national journal in the mid 90s. He was clearly intelligence. He sought me out and spent many hours hanging with me. I remember him repeating a couple of the things I said over drinks in a sort of odd recitational manner. Gave me his card. Said he went to Harvard law. Identified himself with a firm in Malibu. Shortly after, he did the same with another guy, a friend in LA who publishes a journal on the case. We hired a pd and he could find no trace of the guy.

That's just one story -- a small example of the forces still out there working to keep the cover up alive.

You may laugh. But I have an entire family--including a prominent, Harvard grad son--who will tell you about our home phone being tapped for about a year and a half.

Anyhow, I'm done with this. I should know better than to get involved in one of these time wasters!

Btw, no honest researcher I've ever known has made any money to speak of on this. A little here and there. But I can assure you that's not what they're in it for. Pozner? He's a different story.

Nice debating with you. Peace.

[jberryhill]

68. Can I ask you one quick question, though...

A good starting point, I guess, would be your articles. Can you send me cites or copies?

The "handler" thing is interesting. I guess that's why you took your screen name from the lawyer in Enemy of the State.

If you found no trace of him, could you post his name and the supposed law firm? Do you still have the card? Do you have the report from the PI?

Second, why do you think he was "intelligence" as opposed to a nut of some kind who thinks *he* is investigating the JFK assassination, and hence seeks out people who publish on the subject?

BTW, I don't have an opinion on the Warren Commission. I do have an opinion on whether Howard Hunt is one of the three tramps, though. What did the Warren Commission report say about them?

[goforit]

63. Well, bottom line, the organizer for the JFK assassin is still alive.

[Heidi]

37. Kick.

:kick:

[Dover]

38. E. Howard Hunt, 88; Cold War spy was Watergate break-in mastermind

MIAMI — E. Howard Hunt, a mastermind of the 1972 Watergate break-in that brought down the Nixon presidency and afflicted U.S. politics with its most notorious scandal, died Tuesday of complications from pneumonia at North Shore Medical Center. He was 88.

Hunt was a strident anti-communist and architect of U.S. covert operations throughout a career that began with World War II military service and saw the right-wing militant play crucial roles in the fight against leftist movements throughout the Western Hemisphere.

A founder of the Office of Strategic Services, the forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency, Hunt spent almost three decades organizing actions against Soviet allies in the United States' perceived sphere of influence. In 1961, he was tasked with organizing the Pigs invasion, aimed at deposing Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro.

Hunt proudly took credit for orchestrating a 1954 coup against Guatemala's elected leftist president, Jacobo Arbenz, as well as the 1967 killing of Castro ally Ernesto "Che" Guevara...cont'd


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-hunt24jan24,1,2825275.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

[zeemike]

39. They say in the end your whole life passes before you

And you get to experience all te pain and pleasure that you gave to others.
How painful that must have been for him.

[lonestarnot]

40. Hasta la bye bye bitch! You should have come clean with everything while you had the chance.

[Zynx]

41. Now that guy was a real sack of crap. Good riddance.

[fladonkey]

42. Sorry folks....

I just don't believe that LBJ had something to do with President Kennedy's murder. As far as Bush 41 being in Dallas on 11/22/64 (God has it been that long ago!)that's not unusual. He was probably there on business.

[dflprincess]

43. 11/22/63

[Doctor_J]

44. Hell is getting crowded

with wingers. The Hunt Bros were up to their necks in JFK murder.

[rcdean]

48. Here are pics of the third "tramp" in Dealey in '63 and Hunt about 10 years later

"Conspiracy theorists" (actually hard working, dedicated researchers into the unsolved murder of a duly elected President of the United States) are condemned as "wackos" and "kooks" for "imagining" any resemblance, or for being suspicious that their arrest records went missing for 36 years.

[jberryhill]

51. And here's a picture of Harold Doyle

Note the skin crease in Doyles face which extends in an arc from a point above the left nostril flare to his chin.

Note the skin crease in Hunt's face which extends in a straight line out from a point about even from the nostril flare to a point even with the side of his lip.

Also note the shape of Hunt's ear - do you see how Hunt's ear turns inward above the lobe.

Note that the tramp's ear sticks out like Doyle's.

Even if you didn't have Doyle's much later picture to provide another comparison, the skin crease and ear shape of the "tramp" do not match the skin crease and ear shape of Hunt.

[rcdean]

53. OK. But I'm making a somewhat different point.

I'm trying to say that ridiculing researchers for their suspicions over the years is lame brained.

I've heard the ear analysis before. But Hunt's career was with the CIA. These pictures and rumors of his involvement surfaced very early on after the murder. Ear shapes can easily be changed. I know. My parents had plastic surgery done on mine to correct an Obama effect.

[jberryhill]

62. Okay, so he had his ear shape changed

And if appearances can be changed, then the photo comparison is really of no value, isn't it?

Here's your man:



Look at the skin crease on his face. Just a little work on the ear and, presto, Dealey Plaza tramp!

[rcdean]

54. Which of these resemblances is stronger?

[jberryhill]

57. If you want to do a lineup...

Take the tramp photo. Collect a dozen other b&w photos of men. Throw in the Hunt and Doyle photos without names, and hand the collection to people and ask them to match the tramp photo with any of the men.

[Henny Penny]

64. Welome to Du rdean!!

When you attract one or more dedicated "debunkers" take it as an encouraging sign that you're on the right tracks!

:hi:

[jberryhill]

65. Oh, hey, I didn't notice the post count...

Welcome to DU :toast:

As Henny Penny mentioned, headquarters pays me a flat rate for being a "dedicated debunker", plus bonuses based on the number of people that I post official disinformation in response to their posts, so I am glad you are here (and that you can write well).

I'm not really sure how much the dedicated bunkers get paid in the first place. If you know, PM me.

[jberryhill]

67. No... which of THESE resemblances is stronger

I believe you have proven a couple of things.

Howard Hunt was Robert Redford's father. After shooting JFK, he hid out in the cast of Star Trek, and then later got a job as Jack Nicholson's stunt double. Lee Marvin was arrested in Dealey Plaza, and later in life he was played on TV by Don Rickles.

[Seabiscuit]

59. No resemblance at all.

[Seabiscuit]

58. He didn't deserve to live so long. Good riddance. n/t