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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:52 PM
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Rice: U.S. Aims to Curb Iran Aggression
Rice: U.S. Aims to Curb Iran Aggression

Sunday January 14, 2007 1:16 AM

By ANNE GEARAN

AP Diplomatic Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) -
U.S. raids that President Bush approved against Iranian targets in Iraq are part of broad efforts to confront Tehran's aggression, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Saturday.

``The United States is simply responding to Iranian activities that have been going on for a while now that threaten not just to destabilize the chance for Iraq to proceed to stability but also that endanger our forces,'' Rice said before meeting with Israel's foreign minister.

Bush approved the strategy several months ago, U.S. officials said, in response to what Washington claims is Iran's support for terrorists inside Iraq and the alleged funneling of bombs to anti-U.S. insurgents. Echoing other Bush administration figures, Rice said the U.S. does not intend to cross the Iraq-Iran border to attack Iranians.



Rice told reporters that the Iranian office was not a diplomatic consulate, which would be protected by international treaty. The State Department said Friday that U.S.-led forces entered an Iranian building in Kurdish-controlled Irbil because information linked it to Revolutionary Guards and other Iranian elements engaging in violent activities in Iraq. State Department spokesman Tom Casey said there was no truth to reports that Iran was carrying out legitimate diplomatic activity at the site.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6343886,00.html
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:55 PM
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1. Where to start....? Who gets to define what is agression and what
isn't? The UN should be involved in this is is clear that the US administration has no objectivity at this point....Congress must get directly involved in this.

* is mad because the Iranian President basically said "Fuck You GW". If this is the basis of agression and to bomb Iran to nothing....Houston we have a problem...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:00 PM
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2. Reality: World Aims to Curb American Aggression
A bit more accurate.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:25 PM
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3. taticly it makes sense- if iran is doing what connie is saying
but no one believes them because they have lied to many times for anyone in the world to believe them...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:44 PM
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4. Iran is obviously being the agressor here, and the proof is...
We have proof, right?

...

right?

*crickets*
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 07:57 AM
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17. They have truckloads of proof but it is all top secret and no one can see it
It is the exact same proof Osama Bin Laden attacked the USA on 9-11. Absolute Proof but only Bush* can see it...You just have to take his word for it and everyone knows he would never LIE to anyone...
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:53 PM
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5. Iran has not attacked another country in centuries
yet how many countries has the United States attacked in the last 50 years. Iraq, Granada, Panama, Cambodia, Vietnam and others.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:54 PM
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6. Yeah Rice, you and Bush and what army. Go buy some shoes and shut up. nt
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:16 PM
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7. There's no legitimate diplomatic activity occurring at the White House either...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:22 PM
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10. Condi is Bush's version of Nazy Germany's Foreign Minister Ribbentropp
As in the infamous pact between Hitler and Stalin to divide up Poland, Condi is in Israel to coordinate how the US and Israel are going to divide up the Middle East.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:16 PM
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8. Why is Condi in Israel for? She is not interested in settling I/P conflict!
The only reason Condi is in Israel is to coordinate an attack on Iran by the US and Israel.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:18 PM
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9. So Indy, do you really believe that? Really????

:evilgrin:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:28 PM
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11. Yestesday's LBN story about F-16s, tankers, and AWACS being moved to Turkey
Southeastern Turkey to be precise. No need for the US to move those assets to Turkey since we have plenty of them in Saudi, Iraq, and Kuwait. Unless the tankers will be used to refuel Israeli planes flying over Turkish space on their way to Iran, the AWACS are to assist in guiding the planes to their targets, and the F-16s are to provide air cover for the tankers and AWACS. This way Israel won't have to fly over Saudi or Kuwaiti space.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:37 PM
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12. Could be a bluff, as dimson did with N. Korea. So, are you saying that you
believe the United States and Israel will attack the sovereign nation of Iran? In the next month? Less?

In Woodward's books, he shows how Bush has gotten into trouble with his constituency because he has been in favor of an independent Palestine state. Prince Bandar has had to run interference for Bush with Saudi Arabia when Bush has pulled back from publicly endorsing an independent Palestinian state.
In comments, Bush doesn't sound so pro Israel.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:51 PM
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13. Condi's admission that it was Bush who ordered actions against Iranian
diplomatic missions in Iraq, together with other hostile actions taken against Iran by US, is following the same script that was used on the lead up to the war in Iraq.

As to Bush's views on "an independent Palestinian state," I will caution people against assuming that Bush is talking about a contiguous sovereign state for the Palestinians. Bush speaking about "an independent Palestinian state" is as credible as when he speaks of "freedom and democracy."
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:03 AM
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14. Well, if you are right that Bush is going to make an unprovoked attack on
the sovereign nation of Iran, then that will be Bush's first class ticket to the Hague. That I would love to see, but I just don't believe that Bush has the balls! Care to make a wager among gentlemen?

:toast:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:20 AM
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15. It's not a question of Bush having the balls to attack Iran
It's more of a question of Bush's Messianic complex. Bush will attack Iran because he is compelled to do so by a belief that he is G-d's Anointed One.

Care to make a wager among gentlemen?

I'm no gentleman!


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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:53 AM
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Of course you nare! Well the cards are face up on the table. We'll
see what time brings us!
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:53 AM
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16. Of course you nare! Well the cards are face up on the table. We'll
see what time brings us!
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mogthemonk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 08:27 AM
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20. I'm not sure Turkey will agree to that.
Turkish popular opinion of the US is very low at the moment, not to mention the Turkish government are pissed off that the US still hasn't done anything about the PKK training camps in northern Iraq for the last few years despite assurances they would. So at the very least the Turks are going to want that to happen without them having to do it themselves. Will the US also compensate Turkey for lost revenue if it does agree to let the bases be used for attacks?Because Turkey has recently agreed to increase trade with Iran in the last month or so.

Turkey may be the friendliest country with a Muslim majority towards Israel but i can't se them signing onto this when they wouldn't agree to the initial invasion of Iraq from their territory.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 11:22 AM
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22. What makes you think we are going to ask for permission?
Under Bush, America has become the Mother of Unilateralism. We attacked an Iranian consular mission in Kurdish Iraq without asking for the permission of the Kurds, who are the only allies we have left in Iraq. What makes you think we are going to ask for permission from the Turks? Our rationale will be that we only provided support to our "friends" in Israel and that the US did not use Turkish territory to launch an attack on Iran.
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mogthemonk Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 01:28 PM
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23. Potential loss of $10 billion F-35 fighter order
and an upgrade to their Patriot missile defence system may grab Bush's attention.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 08:11 AM
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18. You know when Condi's working on a weekend
and Bush goes back to the WH on a Saturday after going to Camp David, that something is up with these bastards.

They are desperate for a distraction with the Libby Trial starting this week and it looks like Cheney is a target.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 08:27 AM
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19. Hmmm. And who will curb US agression?
Russia? China? Saudi Arabia?

Damn. I'm so old, I remember when this country actually stood for something! Or so I was told...

:freak:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 05:09 PM
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24. When Ronald Reagan spoke in Berlin against the "Evil Empire"
he was looking at himself in the mirror. The entire Cold War was a sham!
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 09:44 AM
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21. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin
Edited on Sun Jan-14-07 09:44 AM by pberq
the U.S. was responding to North Vietnamese "Agression". Another decade, another lie, another war.
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