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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:28 PM
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NYT: Arctic Ice Melting Faster Than Expected

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/11/science/11cnd-arctic.html?ei=5094&en=31f2f10250db8f8a&hp=&ex=1165899600&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1165871977-hX4c+PBKR+mv97NNLU4yJA&pagewanted=print

Arctic Ice Melting Faster Than Expected

New studies project that the Arctic Ocean could be mostly open water in summer by 2040 — several decades earlier than previously expected — partly as a result of global warming caused by emissions of greenhouse gases.

The projections come from computer simulations of climate and ice and from direct measurements showing that the amount of ice coverage has been declining for 30 years.

The latest modeling study, being published today in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, was led by Marika Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.

The study involved seven fresh simulations on supercomputers at the atmospheric center, as well as an analysis of simulations developed by independent groups. In simulations where emissions continue to rise, sea ice persists for long periods but then abruptly gives way to open water, Dr. Holland said.

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The commission plans to deliver letters to the Bush administration and Congress this week urging them to commit at least $1 million to start work on replacing the country’s two aging, ailing polar-class icebreakers.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:31 PM
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1. Just this summer they were saying 2050
And last winter they were saying 2070 was the year open water would exist at the North Pole.

At this rate, by 2025 it will be open water and I'll be selling coconuts in Minnesota.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:48 PM
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3. And Duluth could be an important rail hub to ports on St. James Bay
I've sold coconuts in Wisconsin, my advice is don't bother there isn't much market.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:09 PM
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7. hey i like fresh coconuts ---a bit of rum. yummy
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:05 PM
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12. LOL, Don't forget to use fresh squeezed lime...
Unfortunately, if you try to retail whole coconuts in Milwaukee you sell less than 1 per 25,000 customer visits to your produce department. The good news is they perish slowly, but they still are most useful as pucks in Monday night Isle-2 hockey.

Cheeseheads seem to like their coconut meats already out of the hull.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:50 PM
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4. Don't count those coconuts yet
Melting Arctic ice may impact the Great Ocean Conveyor which moderates temperatures in Europe and North America. A side effect of global warming could very well be localized cooling in the US and throughout Europe


March 5, 2004: Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.


More at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:05 PM
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6. aha
so NOW we know one of the reasons "la familia" is buying up land in paraguay.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:52 PM
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15. guess I will hang on to my XC skis, then. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:47 PM
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11. Yep. Kestrel's prediction: 2025.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:44 PM
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2. Even if congress votes for the money, bush could refuse to
release the money. There's always his infamous signing statements too.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:53 PM
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5. My simple two cents of thought.
The reason I am so worried about global warming being much worse than we predict is due to a simple observation of thermodynamics. This is highly simplified, yet still true.

Water does not melt at 32 degrees Fahrenheit. It has to be above that temperature.

The earth is a huge heatsink. It takes a hell of a lot of heat to warm up the oceans and atmosphere to a point where the ice even begins to melt. In other words, we were already in trouble a long time ago. And it was not even evident.

I think what I'm trying to say is that if you look at the ice cube in reverse, it is melting and the temperature is rising. We have to not only stop that rising temp, but we have to reverse it AND get it back down below a level. It's not just a simple, stop and we're ok. We are now above and beyond equilibrium AND moving away from it.

That doesn't do justice to any kind of explanation. I guess it's a dose of truthiness tha I have. More than a highly developed fluid dynamics program, it's a sense. A sense that not only do we have to stop, but we have to then become active in order to return the system to equilibrium. And that it's much more difficult than it may at first seem.



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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:22 PM
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8. Hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense.
I think I would expect that the earth itself does have some natural corrective type reactions that would help, if we give her the chance. This cooling phenomena may actually be an example of that.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:27 PM
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9. Usually the earth's corrective actions involve removing the offending species. nt
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:07 PM
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16. Heh heh...
I like that. :rofl:

I suppose we deserve it, don't we?
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:16 PM
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17. You are referring to Repulicanus Idioticus?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:27 PM
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10. Oops.
"No one could have predicted that the Arctic icecaps would melt much faster than we'd expected."

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:40 PM
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13. Actual Paper Excerpts From American Geophysical Union
Future abrupt reductions in the summer Arctic sea ice

Marika M. Holland
National Center for Atmospheric Research,
Boulder, Colorado, USA

Cecilia M. Bitz
Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington,
Seattle, Washington, USA

Bruno Tremblay
Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University,
Palisades, New York, USA

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<2> Arctic sea ice has undergone dramatic changes in recent years with considerable thinning of the ice pack , a sharp reduction in the multi-year ice area , and record minimum September ice cover . These changes have led to the suggestion that a “tipping point” may have been reached in which strong positive feedbacks accelerate ice retreat and result in an era of thinner, less extensive ice cover in the Arctic . However, the patchy observational record and considerable natural variability in the Arctic make it difficult to assess whether a tipping point has actually been reached.

<3> Evidence is mounting that the observed changes are associated with anthropogenically driven climate change and climate models predict Arctic change to continue into the foreseeable future . The transition from perennial to seasonal Arctic ice cover has numerous implications for the climate system. Additionally, the rate and manner in which sea ice retreats affects the ability of ecosystems and societies to adapt to these changes. Here we examine the potential for abrupt transitions in the future Arctic summer sea ice from climate models that have contributed output to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change fourth assessment report (IPCC-AR4).

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<7> The CCSM3 simulations compare well to the observed ice cover including the rate of its recent retreat (Figure 1a) . The simulations do not however indicate that ice retreat will continue at a constant rate into the future. Instead, they show abrupt transitions that suggest near ice-free Septembers could be reached within 30–50 years. The simulated changes are surprisingly rapid. To illustrate these changes and the mechanisms driving them, we present the results from one realization (Run 1) of a group of seven ensemble members. To demonstrate the robustness of the results, we evaluate other ensemble members of the same model and simulations from other models.

<8> In the 20th century, the rate of the simulated September ice retreat is in accord with observations (Figure 1a). From 1979–2005, the Run 1 ice extent decreases by 10% per decade, which is consistent with the observed 8% per decade decrease when accounting for intrinsic variability as assessed from the different ensemble members. The late-20th century Arctic is mostly covered with perennial ice, with reduced concentration in summer along the shelves where first year ice melts away (Figure 1b). The simulated ice declines rapidly from 1998 to 2003, losing 20% of its extent in 6 years. The rate of change then becomes more modest again until 2024. From 2003–2024, the simulated Arctic (Figure 1b) still has more than 60% perennial coverage, although, compared to the late 20th century, the September ice concentration is reduced with large open water areas along the Arctic shelves. Starting in 2024, the September ice retreats rapidly from approximately 6 million km2 to 2 million km2 in a decade (Figure 1). Over this event, the trend of the 5-year running mean smoothed timeseries is −0.4 million km2 per year, which is over 3 times larger than any comparable trend in any 10-year interval of the observed 1979–2005 record and about 5 times larger than any comparable 10-year trend of the simulated 20th century timeseries. After this event, by 2040, a small amount of perennial ice remains along the north coast of Greenland and Canada, leaving the majority of the Arctic basin ice free in September (Figure 1b).

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:50 PM
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14. this is big news over at the BBC
for your listing pleasure (for those of us with cable/DSL connections):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/

I heard it about 2 hours ago.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:55 PM
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18. If EVERYTHING about global warming is faster than expected, shouldn't we ...
start EXPECTING faster ??
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