MSNBC BREAKING: Kucinich will run in 2008.

[Infinite Hope]

Just announced on Scarborough country that Kucinich has announced he will run.

Also in General Politics section here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3011294

Interesting discussion in both places. Check it out and contribute to both!

The debates will be better because of this.

[rknryd]

1. YES!

:woohoo:

[dbt]

3. And HELL YES!

He will have my support this time; shoulda had it last time!!!

:bounce:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

[rknryd]

6. Dennis had my full unwavering support last time

and he most certainly will have it this time around too :bounce: Very happy to know you support him now :toast:

[ixion]

15. third that... HELL YES

:bounce:

[timtom]

54. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about...

Let's see if he gets as marginalized this time...

[sabra]

2. CNN: Democratic congressman plans another presidential bid

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/12/democratic-congressman-plans-another.html

Democratic congressman plans another presidential bid

CLEVELAND (AP) -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat who unsuccessfully ran for president in 2004, said Monday he is planning to run again because his party isn't pushing hard enough to end the war in Iraq.

In a statement, Kucinich said he plans to formally announce his candidacy for 2008 on Tuesday at City Hall, where he served as mayor of his hometown in the 1970s.

The liberal, anti-war congressman said he was inspired to run because he disagrees with the way some of his fellow Democrats are handling the war in Iraq, including approval of a proposal to spend $160 billion more on the conflict.

[coalition_unwilling]

21. I started with Dean and switched to K when Dean dropped out.

K had a great exit strategy already lined up during the 2004 primaries, not that anyone in the corporate whore media paid any attention to it.

[Infinite Hope]

23. That's very true.

People like Kucinich and Dean had the plan from the beginning that's now being recommended two years and 2,000 lives later.

[Earth_First]

47. Does anyone know what time the announcement will be tomorrow?

I'm half-tempted to drive there tonight to be there.

Thanks for the information!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

4. Good!

I feel that his presence in the race it will help guide the discussion to many more important issues. This is a good thing.

[lovuian]

5. OMG!!! WOOHOO!!!

I love this Man!!!
:woohoo:

[xultar]

7. THANK GOD!

[5X]

8. K & R for Dennis. n/t

[rodeodance]

9. this thread also:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3011299#3011320

[rodeodance]

10. REC.

[mikelgb]

as I have said before

Kooch is the reason I py any attention to politics at all. I'm behind him all the way. Unfortunately CA will have little say in the primaries. =(

[Gregorian]

11. He'll bring good conversation to the dialogue.

That's pretty exciting!

[rodeodance]

13. yes, hw will

[rodeodance]

12. His beatiful wife will bring em around also.

[babsbunny]

14. Yay!

[The Count]

16. Anti-war candidates - welcome. Any of them!

I may have one preference, but at this stage, I part the waters into realists/decent human beings and lunatics.
And I intend to rag on lunatics from now till primaries.

[otohara]

17. Excellent News

the more anti-war candidates... the merrier

[knowledgeispwr]

18. Also a thread here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3011294&mesg_id=3011294

[Infinite Hope]

20. Thanks, I edited the main post to include it. n/t

[Czolgosz]

19. I love Dennis, but I suspect that this helps Hillary who I'm not so crazy about.

Strategically, I worry that Dennis divides the progressive/populist voting block within the Democratic primary, and among the potential progressive/populist candidates, I think Edwards stands a slightly better chance at winning the presidency.

Leaving strategic considerations aside, I'm really glad Dennis's voice will shape the debate.

[Infinite Hope]

22. Not really...

He'll drop out early after contributing greatly to the debate. In the end, like last time, it'll come down to two or three candidates in the vast majority of the contests and he won't be one of them.

[rinsd]

25. Except Dennis never dropped out last time

He never conceded to Kerry and actually picked up greater percentages (well 20% vs. 5%) in the late primaries after the nominatyion was secured. I think he even won Hawaii.

[Infinite Hope]

28. That's right, I forgot.

Though I'm not sure he won Hawaii...? I'm pretty sure he didn't, but could be wrong.

[athena]

34. Kerry won by a large margin in Hawaii.

Kucinich came in second, which is better than he did anywhere else. He had a lot of support here. Kerry won 50% of the vote, and Kucinich won 26%.

I think most people would agree that Kucinich contributed to the debates by representing the interests of the left.

[rinsd]

35. I knew he had done well there. Guess I thought he had done better

Thanks for the correction.

[tritsofme]

39. Getting 1 or 2% in a primary doesn't hurt any real candidate.

Dem primaries are not winner take all.

[Oleladylib]

57. If his entry helps Hillary..good for Dennis

[IndianaGreen]

66. Nope! Dennis on the Left. Obama in the Center. Hillary on the Right, and...

Lieberman on the far right.

It couldn't be better!

[Czolgosz]

92. I'd hoped to see John Edwards consolidate the progressive populist vote. I like Dennis, and I'm glad

his voice will be heard in the debates, but I think Edwards has the best chance of any progressive populist candidates, and I think keeping the "real" left divided is part of the DLC primary plan to nominate a conservative Democrat.

In any event, I'm glad we'll have Dennis's participation.

P.S. Lieberman on the far right? Hardly! Lieberman represents the absolute dead-center mainstream of the Lieberman Party. How long before we have to put up with regularly scheduled nonsense speculation about a Lieberman/Chaffee ticket or -- when McCain loses the Repug nomination -- a McCain/Lieberman ticket?

[Moloch]

98. LIEberman is not running....

He knows how abysmally he will do.

Why Connecticut?!@#? Why did you re-elect this man?!@

[FtWayneBlue]

24. GO DK!

Best news I've heard since 11/7.

[johncoby2]

26. Oh. Now that is just great. (NOT)

In two years I will get to see the hundreds of meaningless resolutions clog up the State convention.

I like Kucinich, but not for President. I appreciate his stances and that he is vocal about it.

If I had a nickel for every Kucinch person who clogged up our convention, and then later did nothing for the party, I would be rich. I didnt see that with Kerry or Dean folks.

Now, those Kucinch folks who did stick around are pretty damn good!

[eridani]

76. I think the dropouts will stay dropped out, and the stickers-around

--will continue to push the party in their direction. That means not just giving up if you don't get everybody to agree with you right away. 2004 taught me that there's lots of institution building and pipeline filling to be done before more people like Kucinich have the option of going all the way.

[mconvente]

27. Let's use our netroots power even more for Mr. K!

Hell yeah! This is super SUPER exciting! We can do this guys - we brought Dean to the forefront in 2004 and think how much more power we have now - the sky's the limit. Let's rock for Kucinich 2008!!

[Roland99]

29. It's getting too crowded already. Don't let this be like 2004...

7-8 people on stage running for the nomination? The willingness to fracture early support will continue to hurt the Dems.

[Infinite Hope]

32. Reps will be equally "fractured." It's an open field on both sides...

...so it won't disadvantage Dems the way it did in 2004. It's healthy to have the kind of dialogue that he'll bring even though I don't support him personally. He's a good man.

[Algorem]

30. Cleveland TV poll on what are his chances at

http://www.19actionnews.com

19 Action News Poll

What do you think Dennis Kucinichs chances are for a presidential bid?

He'll get it hands down
Maybe
Not a chance


The Cleveland Propagandist Daily's forum on subject-

http://www.cleveland.com/forums/open/

http://cleveland.com

[Mitt Chovick]

50. What's with the poll

Why isn't Dennis leading in it?

[Moochy]

31. He is on CSPAN with Juan Cole NOW (tues 5-6pm EDT)

Dennis Kucinich is on a panel Juan Cole with the Lancet study authors re: Iraq death estimates.

http://www.cspan.org

[StrictlyRockers]

33. I LOVE THAT MAN!!! If he wins... oh I could faint.

[Infinite Hope]

36. I've had more respect for him since meeting him.

I'm glad he's joining the debate, though I plan to cast my vote for someone else.

[Irreverend IX]

37. Facts:

Kucinich will never win the Presidency. His name is Kucinich, and as one DUer said long ago, "He looks like Howdy Doody after a three-day drunk."

Liberal Dems will need to unite behind a strong, inspiring candidate in order to pull enough votes away from Hillary or whatever other DLC darling runs to win the nomination.

Candidates like Kucinich will do nothing but split the liberal vote. Even if, by some incredible stroke of luck, he won the nomination, he could never win the presidency. The media would tear him apart.

[NashVegas]

38. What Viable Non-DLC Candidate Will Dennis Attack From the Far Left This Time?

Gosh, I can't wait to see this!

[David Dunham]

40. Sharpton's likely running again.

[NashVegas]

42. I Said, "Viable"

Player to be named later.

[goforit]

41. Ohhhh Man!!!.....Outstanding!

[bigwillq]

43. What good news!

:bounce:

[Earth_First]

44. THANK YOU DENNIS!

Please count on my willingness to participate in ANY way that I can!

[David Zephyr]

45. Dennis will be a positive influence on the contest and in the debates.

As a Clark supporter, I welcome Dennis and all he brings to the contest.

He is a sterling representative in Congress.

[VegasWolf]

46. Great! I'm glad! Dennis is a good man! nt

[ckramer]

48. I love to see Kucinich become the president!

Go Kucinich!

[KamaAina]

49. I ended up caucusing for DK last time out

because a) my preferred candidate, Dean, had already dropped out, and b) DK actually bothered to campaign out here, not once but twice. That kind of effort to grab our huge haul of twenty or so delegates ought to be rewarded.

This time, the Hawai'i caucus comes much earlier in the cycle, so we should have a full slate of candidates to choose from.

[ozone_man]

52. If Gore and Dean are out

then I could possibly back Kucinich. Or possibly a Green. I don't see any other Democrats I can can back at this point. Feingold is out too. I would support Kucinich in the primaries anyway over any of the DLC candidates or the nonDLC conservative Obama.

[NotGivingUp]

51. Dennis...he'll get my vote every time! So glad he's running...

wish we had more than the internet to get the word out. MSM will ignore/slander him since he's the one that will want the least since he stands for everything that is right for the people.

[Endangered Specie]

53. Too bad he'll lose.

[Oleladylib]

58. I agree. But, he'll never make it past the primaries.

[NobleCynic]

64. Aye, but he'll certainly make the debate a lot more interesting.

[Zorra]

55. Outstanding! Where do I sign up to help the campaign?

:toast: :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::headbang:

[eridani]

78. www.kucinich.us

When it gets back online.

[cosmicdot]

56. knr

If he visits/campaigns near your community, I highly recommend your seeing and hearing him in person.
I'm glad I made the effort to see him in 2004. Couldn't help but do some 'hear, hears'.

[mike_c]

59. YES!!!

DK has my full support!

[Name removed]

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[bettyellen]

61. good for him. good for us, too.

[sofa king]

62. Yay! Best of luck, Dennis.

Win or lose, I think that he's one of the finest candidates we can have. He's a model of honesty and honor in American politics--a model which few other candidates, unfortunately, can match.

[MaggieSwanson]

63. Yes! This is wonderful news.

Kick for the Kooch, because he was right!

:kick:

[IndianaGreen]

65. Dennis Kucinich was right about Iraq in 2002, and he is still right today!

His voice is a much welcomed addition to the political debate leading to the 2008 Presidential campaign.

[goodhue]

67. Makes my year!

eom

[aaronbees]

68. Excellent ... shaping up to be a great field

I like Kucinich and the dedication he brings to the issues very much and hope he runs a great campaign. Not my first choice (right now anyway) but he's part of what looks like to be a great field of candidates. The more the merrier, I say!

[CatholicEdHead]

69. Need to keep my 04 T-Shirts ready to come out soon

I still have a white one and a blue one around somewhere.

[MuseRider]

70. I never took my sticker

off the back of my truck. I still have one on my clarinet case as well, lol. My Kucinich sticker has made it easy for the local media to remember who I am and that is always nice when you have a cause. Funny thing, most of them loved Dennis. Yes, right here in Kansas. We made it to the second caucus.

[eridani]

79. I have two white ones and a blue one--glad there is no DATE on them! n/t

[petunia.here]

71. For Real!!??

Holy shit! That's amazing news! I think this may be the first presidential candidate - ever - that I can get behind 100%. Very exciting news! Thanks for passing along.
K&R

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. Yawn

[diamidue]

73. The media will try and marginalize him - call him a socialist again,

but I think he will bring up a lot of important issues that the more mainstream candidates will shy away from, such as universal health care. I want him to be out there saying the things that need to be said. I'll support him again for that reason alone if need be.

[Zhade]

74. Something tells me the country might take another look at him now.

He's my guy - unless Gore runs, in which case it'll be really hard to choose.

GO DK!

[onehandle]

75. Yeah, but who will be nominated? nt

[wiley]

77. Oh, well.

It's going to be a long time until November 2008 comes around. Anyone left standing after November 2007 will seem like very old news at that point.

[Kolesar]

80. Dennis should do research, then back and campaign for a presidential candidate

Like I am doing right now. I don't know why he is doing this. Note that I voted for favorite-son Kucinich in March 2004 because Dean had already run out of steam. Dennis got all of 4% in my district that adjoins Cleveland.

                    4%

[Strawman]

85. No, progressives ought to just stick together in the primaries

behind Dennis instead of diluting our collective influence by each making individual judgements about who is the best of the so called electable candidates. Unite behind Dennis, stick together, and gain influence ought to be the signal that progressives send to one another during the 2008 primary season. I think Dennis can do better than 4% this time. I agree with you in that I don't believe he can win, but I'd love to see him play a role in deciding who does win and what the platform and the next administration looks like. That's not an unrealistic scenario. Maybe there are two or three people fighting it out in the primaries later than normal in 2008 and they will need Dennis' delegates. If that's the case, they will have to give us something in return.

[dysfunctional press]

81. ya-a-a-a-a-a-a-w-n.

who cares?

common sense BREAKING NEWS:

dennis kucinich doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting nominated.

[evolved Anarchopunk]

82. A perfect political climate! Besides, where is he really going to be in another

8 years in 2016, the most likely time a new President will be needed after then next one, statistically speaking. We can't wait, we need someone like Kucinich now. This is great great news.

[rman]

83. Great

Hope springs eternal.

[AngryAmish]

84. Crush them, Denis, crush them!!!!!!

[smoogatz]

86. What I like about Kucinich--

He'll move the debate a few inches to the left for a week or two. It's refreshing. I hope Sharpton runs again, too.

[Splinter Cell]

87. Give me a break

He has no chance whatsoever. Just another vanity candidate, like Sharpton, that wants to be seen. He knows he can't win the nomination, forget the general election.

Our party needs to get serious about it's '08 candidates. People like Hillary(NO), Gore(NOT RUNNING), Kuncinich(NO), are not going to get us where we need to be as a party or a nation.

Obama
Kerry(Still the best choice, even though fairweather dems. disagree)
Edwards
Clark

Those are the best choices. Let's get behind one of them and move forward full steam to a democratic presidency in 2008.

[AbbyR]

88. I should have supported him the last time

and I would love to see a Gore/Kucinich ticket. Now that's one that would really make me happy - if we can just keep the press - and the naysayers at DU, from running them both into the ground.

[saracat]

89. And I suppose making you happy is more important than "winning"?

And I would support Lucifer to have us win!

[AbbyR]

90. My, we are pissy this afternoon, aren't we? (nft)

[saracat]

91. Because every bit of effort that is made for "non winnable"

tickets distracts us from te real job of "winning" Volunteers are hard enough to come by and we really can't afford to waste them on campaigns that aren't credible. DK isn't and will never be credible.He is a non starter.Gore could be a contender but if he picked DK s VP,he would be toast.I was offended that you think getting the word out about certain philosophies is more important than winning.The ticket that would make you "happy" would result in our losing .That makes me"pissy" .Winning is everything.One would think we would have learned that from the Repugs!

[govegan]

93. How many innocent Iraqis and others will die?

Because amerikans are serious about winning?

Go team, go :thumbsdown:

Because amerikans are more concerned about winning, than about what is morally right, "You folks can just lie down now, the kool aid is on the way."

Give us a break, please.

We can and must do what is right, what is morally defensible.

We are so much better off with Howard Dean than Vince Lombardi, or some NFL nutcase trying to run a political campaign.

We can and will win progressive victories. Not because we are prettier or more ruthless. But because we stand for all citizens and for responsible government. Winning at all costs is not responsible government.

The red meat of political victory may excite the baser passions, like shock and awe, like napalm and carpet bombing, but it will never elevate the soul or bring the sort of progressive victory necessary to bring relief to the common citizen.

[paulk]

96. so what is political defeat in the meat department?

Carrion?

Tofu?

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[Bushknew]

94. He’s no political weather vain like Clinton, Kerry or Gore.

My Hero

[coffeenap]

95. I am so glad this guy exists! nt

[goodhue]

97. !

[Algorem]

99. Listen to this morning's Cleveland public radio D.K. interview/with callers-

he's the newest candidate for president - Congressman Dennis Kucinich joins us Wednesday morning at nine on 90.3.

>Download in MP3
>Listen to Dan's interview with Dennis Kucinich

http://www.wcpn.org/mp3/2006/1213soiKucinich.mp3

http://www.wcpn.org/soi/2006/1211.html


Once again, a presidential run with a conscience
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/dick_feagler/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1166003315125610.xml&coll=2

Wednesday, December 13, 2006
Dick Feagler
Plain Dealer Columnist

We have little to laugh about in this town. But let's not laugh at the fact that Dennis Kucinich is running for president again.

In 2004, his candidacy was greeted here with scorn. But not in this space.

I knew he would lose, but he was saying things nobody else was saying. And now we know that the things he was say ing have all come true.

Iraq has become a quagmire. That wasn't a popular idea back then. Dennis was ahead on that one. Too many people in his own party didn't have a clue...