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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:51 AM Original message |
Arizona growers race against the clock to find winter harvest workers |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think you need to change the title |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Sorry. It has been updated. |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. aggiesal - Please change your title |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. My Bad. It has been updated. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. Many growers say the long-term solution is an expanded "guest worker" program for agriculture. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. iceberg lettuce is not food |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Well, he isn't producing JUST iceberg lettuce. If you read the article, it says |
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dogfacedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. People don't mind hard work as much as they do wage slavery. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I don't pretend to be an expert on the economies of winter vegetable farming |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Where are you expecting UN American workers to come from? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Oh, please, you're splitting hairs. Of COURSE most in this hemisphere are "American" |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:37 AM Original message |
Americans DO this kind of work |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
59. Hmmm. Well, either there aren't enough of them.... |
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Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
70. But what kinds of work are your nephew and his friends doing? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Buying and selling this non-food does go up a chain though |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. No one, apparently, is reading the actual article. It's not JUST lettuce |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Nutritional values of lettuce |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. And it AIN'T just lettuce, either. It's 90% of all winter veggies consumed in US/Canada |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. If you notice... |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. The farmer that finds workers get paid more, the farmer that doesn't get paid nothing.. |
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Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #53 |
71. In the scenario given in the OP ... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Iceberg lettuce does have nutritional value |
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zelda7743 (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Ummm... |
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all.of.me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
69. there are definitely more nutritional types of salad greens to grow! |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. another option is |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I'm not going to get into hating the farmer, sorry. We don't know how much |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Ok, you don't live in the wine country so you may not be aware of the conditions |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Well, I used to live in wine country, but the article is talking about a broccoli farmer in AZ |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. have to import some workers from England from the areas of high unemployment? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Some of them might well take you up on that |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. my heart bleeds |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I agree with you. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. A higher cost of lettuce will also get passed on |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. It's not just lettuce, though. |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. outsourcing the lettuce |
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Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
72. That's already being done ... |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
54. That's what they said when Cesar Chavez organized the farm workers. |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. They should stop whining and look for solutions. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. "If growers can't find enough workers" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. As far as capitalism is concerned, you will |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. FWIW, this is the danger in control by large corporations |
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neoblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. It may be difficult... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Yes. Thank you. Very rational. Want vegetables? Buy them. Too expensive? Grow your own. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Don't Forget: Learn Canning Methods |
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neoblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. Yes. A nice oversimplification, but... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. There lies the problem. It would be nice if people would choose to buy local before |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. Hey, they can hire people for $50/hr, just like McCain suggested. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. "I don't care if you paid $40 (an hour), they'd do it about three hours and say, 'That's not for me, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. How much would the broccoli cost if the workers were paid that much? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Two points. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. When I was working for an onion packer, I noticed that |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. and onions are one of the cheapest produce, with the lowest margins. n/t |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 04:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
51. holy crap! +$0.02 lb would totally put onions outta my budget! |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. how they pay depends on the product |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Got room for one more? |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
21. Maybe we need to import some Chinese to do the jobs Mexicans won't do. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Lets at least try to attract our own workers to these jobs before we get into |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Why don't the farmers go down to the unemployment line ... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Well, the CONGRESS has a role in that "living wage" too. They need to get off their asses and pass |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. I'll second you on that |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
30. Good - it's about time prices went up in the supermarkets! |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. And we waste SO MUCH food. It's a sin. And I'm not all that religious. |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
33. Lazy "farmers" are just refusing to pay real wages. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. Typical Neo-Liberal Globalist spin. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'd like to some loudmouths here go try picking field crops... |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Um, 'scuze me. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. It's a natural result of consolidation of "farming".. |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
43. soon as they offer a decent wage they'll have workers |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
48. RELEASE THE ROBOTS! |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
52. a head of iceberg lettuce at my local grocery is 49 cents |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. It is much more expensive in the northeast, though. NT |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
56. What makes anyone think |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. I'm waiting for my $50/hr |
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