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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:30 PM
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Cruise ship pulls into Fla. port with more than 700 sick people
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:34 PM
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1. I've been forced to think of these vessels as giant floating
petri dishes. Pity.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:34 PM
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19. Cruises are a lot of fun, buuuuut...
all it takes to ruin it for everyone is one inconsiderate unthinking jerkoff neglecting to wash his hands after going to the bathroom.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:34 PM
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2. I've heard that the passengers are in deep shit. nt.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:35 PM
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3. I would NEVER set foot on one of those boats.
I don't understand the appeal, frankly.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:38 PM
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4. That MSNBC page has an ad: "Save 75% on last minute cruises!"
Um...no thanks.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:42 PM
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5. Those cruise ships are disgusting.
They go around and around the same sea lanes dumping their wastes, and the next cruise ship along scoops up the polluted water.

I would never go on a cruise like that, its just an incubator for diseases.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:30 PM
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17. Umm, no. The new cruise ships are some of the greenest machines on the planet
The ship's engineering officer can do up to 30 years in prison if they let so much as the turd overboard. The waste water they discharge is probably cleaner than the sea water they intake which gets turned into 1200 degree superheated steam before it's processed in potable water.

No, what you have is closed environment of 2000 mostly older people (lowered immune systems) and it only takes one to get sick.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:33 PM
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25. Ummm, YES! Celebrity cruises fined for dumping 1/2 Million gal. sewage, (10x in 9 days)
in state waters (Juan de Fuca Straight) of Washington State.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=cruiseship17m&date=20061117
The department Thursday announced that it is fining the Celebrity Cruises company $100,000 for the dumping from its ship, the Mercury, during fall 2005 off Port Townsend and Port Angeles.

The company blamed the spill on confusion about whether the ship was in state-governed waters. Nonetheless, it acknowledged the dumping and fired the employee who oversaw environmental operations on the Mercury. But it hasn't said whether it will pay the fine.

The state fine is the first against a cruise ship since 2004, when the state and several major cruise lines, including Celebrity, signed an agreement that barred cruise ships from dumping untreated wastewater into state waters.

State officials said the Mercury's dumping might never have been discovered without that agreement, which allowed inspectors to board the ship and read its operation records. Even so, the incident has led some to suggest the state should pass a law for aggressive monitoring and bigger fines instead of relying on the voluntary pact.
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And where on earth did you come up with "30 years in prison"? The Clean Water Act generally prohibits the dumping of sewage within three miles of shore, but beyond that, ships can and do dump their toilets into the sea. If you read this article, you will see that Washington state, as do all states, has control of its own waters to a certain distance out, as does any island or country bordering a lake or ocean or other body of water - I mean I can't give you courses in Admiralty law and property law on a blog! This particular cruise ship was fined because they were caught lying - their own contemporaneous records documented that 9 times in ten days, the ship dumped sewage and dirty water. That's ONE HALF MILLION gallons. If the ship had ventured farther out from the state's coast line, it could have dumped sewage with impunity. The ship was caught because some honest employee recorded in the ship's logs that they were dumping within state waters, and state inspectors read the logs. But elsewhere, the ship told the state it had not dumped any sewage in state waters.

Under international law these ships can and do dump everything but plastic and oil in the open sea - once they're beyond the state's or any other island or country's territorial waters. That means they're dumping sewage, garbage and toxic chemicals such as heavy metals, turpentine and perchloroethylene (dry cleaning sludge) into the sea. And the fact is that if a ship has no witnesses on the high seas, it may very well dump oil and plastic also.

Green, my ass. If a ship is designed to never dump sewage in the ocean, all the plumbing/piping would direct used water/sewage through filters, etc. to prevent this. The fact that the ship was able to dump directly into the ocean proves that the plumbing system was designed to do just that. I've known private yacht owners who on inland lakes and rivers who have illegally hooked up their toilets to dump directly under their boats, and just hope the Coast Guard never catches them. It's pretty simple to do. Google the topic and you'll come up with all kinds of critiques of the cruise industry dumping.

"Environmentally friendly cruise ships an oxymoron?"
www.oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/journalism/outlook/cruise.html
According to a study done by the Cape Decision International Services in Alaska, an average cruise ship produces between 158,000 and 272,000 gallons of graywater and treated blackwater a day. The largest cruise ships, of the 223 worldwide, are capable of carrying 5,000 people and can generate about 2 million gallons of waste water every week, Bluewater Network reported.

Bluewater Network is a national environmental organization which sent a report, Cruising for Trouble: Stemming the Tide of Cruise Ship Pollution, along with a petition on behalf of 58 other organizations to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. This petition asked the EPA to "identify and take regulatory action on measures to address pollution by cruise ships."

Cruise ships produce enormous volumes of completely unregulated or inadequately regulated waste, Bluewater charged. "It is time for the EPA to crack down on these floating cities that are having a severe impact of the environment," executive director Russell Long said.

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/01.15.03/cruise-ship-effects-0303.html

(for some reason, this link takes you to a main metroactive page. It has a search window: type in cruise ship effects to get to the article.
Built to Spill
Even when the cruise industry plays by the rules, critics say its effects on our waters can be nasty business

By Rebecca Patt

Most of us would think that common sense is enough to prevent the dumping of oil, sewage, garbage and toxic chemicals such as heavy metals, turpentine and perchloroethylene (dry cleaning sludge) into the sea. Yet because of negligence and lax regulations, cruise ships have done it again and again. An international law makes it illegal to dispose of plastic and oil anywhere at sea, but otherwise, cruise ships can legally dump almost anything, writes Ross Klein in his book Cruise Ship Blues. This waste--even the legal stuff--can be devastating to marine life.

Sewage is also a huge hazard. It introduces disease-causing microorganisms and excessive nutrients. The pathogens can become concentrated in the tissues of shellfish and other filter feeders, making them unsafe for human consumption, writes Klein. Pathogens also harm coral and the nutrients in sewage promotes excessive growth of algae, which suffocates fish. If the sewage is released close to shore, it can result in sick surfers and beach closures. The Clean Water Act generally prohibits the dumping of sewage within three miles of shore, but beyond that, cruise ships can dump their toilets into the sea.

Hazardous waste from dry cleaning, photo processing, X-ray fluids, paint solvents, fluorescent light bulbs and batteries can harm or kill marine life and in turn threaten the humans who consume it. And garbage and plastic is not only ugly on the beaches, it can also be swallowed by animals that, for instance, confuse plastic bags with jellyfish. Turtles and birds are especially susceptible.

The EPA has found that even gray water--the water from the sinks, the showers and the galley--is potentially hazardous. Yet the Clean Water Act permits it to be legally dumped anywhere except the Great Lakes and certain parts of Alaska's Inside Passage, writes Klein.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:43 PM
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6. They say it's a "neurovirus."
So far the definition I've been able to get for "neurovirus" is pretty damn useless.

I'm wondering how infectious it is, and if they're planning on instituting a quarantine of those infected, at least until they actually know what it is.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:46 PM
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8. sounds like encephalitis..
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:50 PM
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9. That could be bad...
Sheesh...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:06 PM
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21. that is why they used the Euphemism,
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 06:13 PM by sam sarrha
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:57 PM
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10. Are you sure it's not NOROVIRUS?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:01 PM
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11. No...I'm not.
It sounded like Neuro, but it could have been Noro. Makes sense.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:27 PM
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22. on the CNN site.. it is a Norovirus.. from food
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:01 PM
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12. well, isn't rabies a neurovirus?
A neurovirus is any virus that primarily replicates in neural tissues (I think).

I'm not saying that we have 700 rabid people on a cruise ship. The neurovirus associated with food-borne illness is not rabies.

Apparently, this cruise ship neurovirus is supposed to cause the usual food-poisoning symptoms, possibly along with some kind of peripheral neuropathy (tingling in extremities, etc) or maybe headaches. That sort of thing.
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Joanie Baloney Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:41 PM
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20. Well...
The passengers should have realized the risk of contracting cruise-rabies....it is the Canine Cruise Lines, after all.

Sick as a dog, I tells ya


:puke:


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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:17 PM
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28. almost choked on my coffee...
:spray:

LOL!
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Lenore Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:01 PM
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13. They must mean "Noro"..
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:17 PM
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14. vomiting can have a neurological cause, but Norwalk does sound more likely...
You're right. Cruise ships are famous for Norwalk outbreaks. Many passengers have wound up having the vacation they never forget...

:yoiks:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:07 PM
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27. Noro virus , I believe as in Norwalk
very contagious. I was on the Celebrity Zenith around cape Horn when half the ship got sick. Ended up calling it the prison ship Zenith as you get quarantined to your cabin. I escaped but partner was unable to disembark at some of the best ports
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:44 PM
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7. article wouldnt load for me.. what did they have
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:22 PM
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15. tom cruise. nt
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Crim_n al Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:30 PM
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18. If they've caught Tom Cruise virus, I recommend towing them out
to deep water and sinking the lot of them.

Otherwise mankind is worse than finished and we'll all end up grinning idiots,
jumping up and down on couches and making bronze replicas of baby poop.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:29 PM
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23. Or a mass wedding, performed while jumping up and down in unison
on a yellow leather couch :)
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Crim_n al Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:24 PM
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24. Come to think of it, that was probably the most action
Katie will ever get in that marriage.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:24 PM
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16. Hold the phone. Norovirus (intestinal flu), most all have recovered.
Cruise ship stricken with virus docks for extra cleaning

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/gen/ap/FL_Sick_Cruise.html

The msnbc link wouldn't load for me, but it seems like that reporter is a day late and a dollar short on this story.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:03 PM
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26. link is to msnbc homepage, doesn't help a lot. n/t
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 11:04 PM by habitual
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