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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:37 AM Original message |
Some Americans Lack Food, but USDA Won't Call Them Hungry --WaPo |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Here's a 2006 Hunger Study from America's Second Harvest |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. Oh my. They use "Food security" instead of "Hunger" as a measure. |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. Dinners ready, who's food insecure? |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Your response actually illustrates why the USDA needed a new term |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Of course you want precise terminology |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
64. I'm not sure that "lowering the perceived impact of the problem" is the goal |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I agree, Food security is actually a better term but I can see why some |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. "Mommy, I'm HUNGRY!" |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Help for the Food-Impaired! |
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strategery blunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yep, define away the problem, pretend it doesn't exist... |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. That is their way, after all |
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NOLADEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. What the fuck do they call them, involuntary anorexics? |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. We prefer the term "nutritionally challenged" |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
48. "Obesity challenged"? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
51. "involuntary anorexics" is misleading, since hungry, malnourished, people are often overweight. |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
75. Malnourished works. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Correct. One can be "fat" and still be malnourished. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. This should be on the front page of every newspaper |
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sugapablo (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. You know, this wouldn't bother me at all... |
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flamingyouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
6. "Very low food insecurity" |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. The US should be ashamed of themelves. n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
8. Food security? FOOD SECURITY?? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'm Sorry--Didn't Mean to Make You Yell! |
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flamingyouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yeah, it's not even 5 a.m. here and I was yelling too |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Hell of a way ... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. I'm glad Orwell isn't here to read this. n/t |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
11. "What the hell, I am eating like a king. Screw the proles." - Commander AWOL |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
12. "I don't believe 5 percent are hungry." |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. It was widely reported, only no one listened. Texas is full of starving |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. While gov, he also made changes to the poor and health care ... |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
13. But this is The Greatest Nation of all time... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
14. Lacking widespread concensus on what "hunger" should refer to... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. You don't know anything about Mark Nord. I do. He is a hard working |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I would also add. Read some of his publications at the link I gave and then |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
15. But but... |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
18. How many people die from 'food insecurity' daily? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
63. No, they starve or die of malnutrition because of food insecurity. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
21. I want to lock this guy up in a buggy apartment in the projects for a month |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. That is a real cheap shot - here - read about Mark Nord and see if |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. Cheap? OK, make it 60 in food stamps, and I'll throw in some margarine |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #92 |
109. Cute but you are not actually making logical arguments. You are just |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
22. "the number of (starving) hungriest Americans has RISEN over the PAST 5 YEARS" |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. Well, look at the bright side. |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
26. More screwing around with science |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
27. It just amazes me how these asses come up with all these |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Did you read the article - no one is trying to "throw out the report" that I can see. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Yeah, I read the damn article. And they are trying to muddy |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. It Doesn't Matter. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. That is your opinion. Not mine. Read the articles written by Mark Nord and |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. How very appropriate |
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praeclarus (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
29. if you can't feed yourself, even 1 day of the year,... |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
30. What a crock of CRAP!! They just had to get in the term "security" |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Actually food security has been used for a long time. It has been used in conjunction with |
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AliceWonderland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Yes -- "food security" has been around for some time |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
33. It's hard to put food on your family! |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. we qualify for USDA free food |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. You are an example of why 'food security' is used these days. |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
105. What's bad is that so much food gets thrown away daily |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
38. Because "going hungry" just sounds so negative I guess |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Did you read the article? It is more complex than that. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yes, I read it - and you can repeat yourself until you are |
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praeclarus (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. exactly right |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Actually most food insecurity isn't about having food. It is about not |
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praeclarus (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. actually most hunger is about not having enough food... |
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AliceWonderland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The poster was talking about food security |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. When/where did I use the terms "nutritionally challenged" or "domestically |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. The issue is the banishment of the term hunger, but the definition is clear. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. Exactly. Conservatives prefer the term "hunger" because the number of "hungry people" |
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Miss Chybil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. And to Bush, it's all about his campaign |
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grilled onions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. How about a simple version? |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. Fucking Idiots! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
58. "We don't have a measure of that condition." -Mark Nord |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Is this the guy you hate? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. these posters are not realistic about the interview process |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Exactly. There is a fair amount of anti-intellectualism being expressed here |
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gerrilea (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. I have read through most of the posts here and I have to commend you. |
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bkcc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
59. This shouldn't come as any surprise. |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
66. Now we know how well Bush's vaunted tax breaks have |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. "Food security" has been around a lot longer than "homeland security". It is a |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Most Americans can't place Denver on a map |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Well that is our loss isn't it? Should we "dumb down" the public discourse |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. This is not about Mark Nord. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Hmm, for "not being about Mark Nord" he has taken a lot of direct hits here. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
69. I agree that it is shameful |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. "Food Insecurity" is hardly a new social science concept. Has been |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Does hunger in the US not exist, then? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. No that is not the argument. Go read Nord's articles if you want to know |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
74. North Koreans can be hungry |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
78. I can understand the need for a different term... |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
80. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Who are you to call Mr. Nord a "bureaucratic whore"? Have you read anything he has |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Hungry people don't care about "scientific terms"or "intellectualism" |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Not a "buzz phrase, " food insecurity" is a standard term in social science and has been |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. He's not the only one who thinks it's not scientifically accurate. |
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badgervan (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. More bush Semantics |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It's very easy to counter administration spin on this. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Actually the move to drop "hunger" was a reccomendation of a scientific panel. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. It's still a bureaucratic term; it still masks the human suffering involved |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. What you are really objecting to is defining human suffering in a quantifiable way. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Response |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Didn't mean to condescend. But when you take such umbrage at a standard term |
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badgervan (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Depends.... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. These are peer selected panels. That gives them independence. |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
89. Hungry Americans Just Want Freedom Fries Like the Rest of This World. |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
94. I could just SCREAM! "multiple indications of disrupted eating patterns and reduced food intake." |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
101. But of course, |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
102. I've 'gone hungry' in the sense that I couldn't afford to put food on my table |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
103. When my stomach growls, it's saying HUNGRY |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. And if you have food in the house you can eat. So you were hungry but you did |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
110. You know what? I don't care what they call it. What's revolting is |
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