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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:57 PM
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Lennon's killer denied parole for fourth time


ATTICA, New York (AP) -- John Lennon's killer was denied parole for a fourth time Tuesday because of the "bizarre nature" of his crime.

Mark David Chapman, 51, must remain at Attica Correctional Facility for at least two more years for gunning down the former Beatle outside his Manhattan apartment building in 1980.

"The panel remains concerned about the bizarre nature of this premeditated and violent crime," the board wrote in a one-page decision issued shortly after Chapman's appearance before the three-member panel at Attica.

The hearing lasted 16 minutes, said Scott Steinhardt, spokesman for the state Division of Parole. A transcript of the hearing was not immediately available.

more:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/10/chapman.parole.ap/index.html
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:59 PM
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1. I think all media should stop using his name.
The fucker wanted noteriety - he should be denied it.

I remember the DJ on WNEW the night that Lennon was killed, he almost gave the killer's name, and then he said, "No - you know what? I'm not going to say his name. He did this for publicity, to get his name known, and I refuse to say it."

I applauded him for that.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:48 PM
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7. this piece of shit should never be released
he's a good argument for the death penalty.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 01:17 PM
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19. death penalty? only if it's one day before death by 'natural causes'
don't let murdering shits escape, keep them suffering in jail for life, it's a far worse punishment than just letting them off by killing them.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:59 PM
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8. Many Lennon fans have done likewise
Edited on Wed Oct-11-06 12:00 AM by Autumn Colors
Myself included. I will never mention that piece of shit's name as long as I live.

My brother, sister, and I went to the vigil in Central Park that was organized by Yoko the Sunday after John's murder. To this day - even after 26 years! - I can't watch film footage from the night of his murder without crying.

I went to see "The U.S.vs. John Lennon" on Monday and there was footage from that vigil we went to. It brought it all back again.

If you can, go see this movie. To younger people who really are too young to remember what a great activist John was (or to those who won't go because they "don't really like The Beatles") ... I say GO! If only to see what our government was and is capable of ... and what one person can do (granted, he was a person with a lot of fame behind him, but still...).

A really excellent movie with so many parallels to today, it's scary.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 01:09 AM
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11. I noticed that the movie didn't say his name
it was very good
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:23 PM
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32. I agree
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:01 PM
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2. He should be glad he's in prison
I would emphatically not approve of it, but it would not surprise me at all if Chapman ever gets released from prison that someone would do to him like he did to Lennon.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:12 PM
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3. you are exactly right...
he wouldn't live long outside of those prison walls. i am surprised no one has killed him behind bars, actually.
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:25 PM
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4. He's been outside of prison
walls a lot - I read he has visits with his family on the outside.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:37 PM
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5. are you sure that wasn't hinkley?
hinkley was allowed to visit his parents. I live in the same town so it was quite a big controversy.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 08:00 AM
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15. I agree, Hinkley was allowed out
not the other POS that killed John Lennon...
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:22 PM
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27. You know, you might be right.
I'll look it up.
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:34 PM
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29. You're right. It was
Hinckley and not Chapman. :-)
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:01 AM
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9. They've had to keep him isolated
... from the general prison population.

I agree, I'm surprised someone inside the prison hasn't killed him. Lots and lots of Beatle fans EVERYWHERE.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:43 PM
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6. I hope he rots in prison
and is passed around like the bitch that he is. Fucker.
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:29 PM
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28. He's an insightful article about him
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 12:55 AM
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10. I remember that night very well...went home crying..
...i heard the first bulletin on the radio. they said someone had shot JOhn Lennon....I remember thinking, 'that can't be right. who the hell would want to shoot John Lennon.'
and a little while later they said he had died....and i was still thinking, 'No, that can't be right. It's not JOhn.'

classic case of denial, which i returned to again and again in the following days..
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:50 AM
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12. My brother is a corrections officer and met him at Attica...
My brother told me the other inmates tease him by singing Beatles' songs to him...:(
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:41 AM
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13. May I be forgiven for this, but....
I hope he never sees the outside of a jailhouse again in his lifetime.

TC
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 06:59 AM
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14. Wonder why Lennon insisted on
staying in the US even after people, govt officials among them, threatened him with deportation and even violence? Was he asking for martyrdom?

Lennon was loved, but also despised by many in reich-wing America because of his great influence on the peace movement. The FBI even had a file on him. Popular liberal figures don't have a very long life expectancy in this country do they (jfk, rfk, mlk, etc)?

Wouldn't be the first time US govt played a hand in political assassination.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 08:29 AM
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16. Pretty much why a progressive would never be elected to high office.
Corporate America would have him shot dead. Progressives are bad for business. There's wars to be fought and citizens to keep fearful. Never mind that historically, when everyone does well, the rich do even better.

Like Hopper said on Bugs Life:

You let one ant stand up to us, then they all might stand up! Those puny little ants outnumber us a hundred to one, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life! It's not about food, it's about keeping those ants in line.

Don't even mistake that for a second.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:17 AM
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17. Amen Bro Beaumont...
preach that gospel (loved the example).
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 09:37 AM
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18. I hope he never gets out
Chapman is as much as a cause for todays problems as anybody. What the world would have been like if Lennon wouldn't have died.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 01:24 PM
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20. here's the seperated at birth pic
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:25 PM
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33. ***Holy shit***
!!!
:wow:
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 02:07 PM
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21. I have compassion for him, although I don't think he should ever get out
He's a schizophrenic. He should have been in a hospital when he killed Lennon. The situation is sad from every perspective-Sean and Julian losing their dad too young (and before he and Julian could reach any kind of peaceful understanding), Yoko lost the love of her life, and Chapman did something he can never take back, because he was delusional and not getting any kind of useful treatment.

It is my understanding that in prison he takes his meds and is a fairly easy inmate to deal with. I could see them putting him in a less secure prison when he gets a little older, if he's not an escape risk. Maybe they could get him to do public service ads encouraging the mentally ill to get treatment before they do something horrible and violent? He and Hinckley are sort of the poster boys for that issue.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 02:18 PM
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22. he was a mind-controlled programmed killer for the bastards
don't doubt it. and no of course I don't have "proof" just a wealth of suspicions and the knowledge that it is well within their capabilities.
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:36 PM
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30. In an article I read they say
he is a model prisoner - and is kept away from the general population for safety.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-11-06 04:20 PM
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23. the real killer: Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo
Who really killed Lennon?
Compelling evidence points to Dakota doorman, Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo, as Lennon’s true killer. Records reveal a "Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo" (aliases: "Joaquin Sanjenis" and "Sam Jenis") was an anti-Castro Cuban exile and member of Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961, a failed CIA operation to overthrow Fidel Castro. Perdomo was a professional hit man who worked closely with convicted Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis (deceased) for about ten years on the CIA's payroll.

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Dateline/DL_11182005_response.htm
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:09 AM
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24. Have you read this book? "Who Killed John Lennon?" by Fenton Bresler
From Publishers Weekly
Bresler, a British lawyer, believes tht Mark Chapman, assassin of John Lennon, was no "lone nut" but was programmed by the CIA, through drugs and hypnosis, to carry out the murder. The N.Y.C. police lieutenant who interrogated Chapman the night of the slaying in 1980 is quoted here as saying: "He looked as if he could have been programmed." Bresler builds an entirely circumstantial case without a shred of hard evidence, but he does raise some interesting questions. Why, for instance, did Chapman, in 1975 a 19-year-old, religious, anti-Communist Southerner, select Russia as his preferred destination in a YMCA exchange program, and end up instead in Beirut? Bresler posits that Chapman was recruited by the CIA as a killer and kept "on hold" until the agency found a target: Lennon, portrayed here as a magnet for leftist causes. He argues that Chapman spent three "missing days" in Chicago before arriving in New York to shoot the rock star. As Bresler ( The Mystery of Georges Simenon ) reports, Lennon was kept under surveillance by both the FBI and CIA, but that in itself proves nothing. Author tour.
Copyright 1989 Reed Business Information, Inc.

It was an interesting read to say the least...never heard of Jose Perdomo before though. Don't think Bresler mentioned him in the book.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:10 AM
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25. Have you tried looking in the Yellow Pages for psychiatric help?
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 08:02 PM
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26. have you? naivete can be clinical at a point
and a world view that thinks conventional wisdom and the official story are always and exclusivly true would be a very deluded one. but oh, nothing "secret" ever happens right? there are no conspiracies right? I suppose you might actually believe that? Anyway, you should know that my assertions about the matter are not held with anything like 100% certainty, are yours?
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:38 PM
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31. Another conspiracy theory without a grain
of truth (sigh)
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