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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:33 PM
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White House Said to Bar Hurricane Report
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration has blocked release of a report that suggests global warming is contributing to the frequency and strength of hurricanes, the journal Nature reported Tuesday.

The possibility that warming conditions may cause storms to become stronger has generated debate among climate and weather experts, particularly in the wake of the Hurricane Katrina disaster.

In the new case, Nature said weather experts at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - part of the Commerce Department - in February set up a seven-member panel to prepare a consensus report on the views of agency scientists about global warming and hurricanes.

According to Nature, a draft of the statement said that warming may be having an effect.

In May, when the report was expected to be released, panel chair Ants Leetmaa received an e-mail from a Commerce official saying the report needed to be made less technical and was not to be released, Nature reported.

more...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2006/sep/26/092601950.html
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:35 PM
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1. They honestly think they can alter the facts by doctoring
or suppressing reports. They are that nuts. That is why we desperately need to get them the hell out of office and back to the lunatic fringe ASAP.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:47 PM
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23. Just as in Katrina the levee will break
Truth will wash away their shit storm effluence and breach the levee of lies they have built.
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:37 PM
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2. These people make me so sick... n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:38 PM
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3. me, too ...sigh
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:39 PM
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4. Color me naive, but it still boggles me that this Administration is so
adamantly anti-science. Many of us are of the same generation - baby boomers - and the hope that scientific achievement/research represented was held in such high esteem. Sad to see current political appointees/cronies dismantle that promise.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:48 PM
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you aren't naive
they're just on a different mission.

Instead of wanting to see an enlightened world, free from the problems of its barbaric past, they want a return to the good old days, when kings were kings, and the people got shat upon.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:28 PM
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14. They're greedy corporate bastards,
trying to milk every last penny from their outdated technologies.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:42 PM
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5. ECLB=Every Chump Left Behind

Government-sanctioned ignorance of this nature is criminal, in my opinion.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:44 PM
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6. These Idiots just hate Science, and our Mother Earth.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:48 PM
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7. hey, wer are not idiots. Relese the Report!




.....needed to be made less technical
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:50 PM
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8. According to Nature, a draft of the statement said that warming may be
having an effect" umm... what to do what to do!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:58 PM
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9. Needs to be less technical
so little georgie can understand it.

Here you go, georgie:

See smoke. See smoke rise. Rise, smoke, rise!
See sun. Sun makes George warm. Smoke and sun makes George even warmer.
See hurricane. See hurricane grow. Grow, hurricane, grow!

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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:36 PM
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16. Nicely done
But I still am not sure if he will understand ;)
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:15 PM
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45. He may not know who George is - if it read W, then it may get his
attenshun.
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krispifried Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:02 PM
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10. Science is only to be used for luxury items
and weapons development.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:14 PM
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11. Damn it all to hell, we PAID FOR THIS REPORT. They need to
release it pronto to the people it belongs to. Us.
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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:21 PM
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12. Hurricane Fitz Is Just Warming Up
I have an October surprise in my briefcase.

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:13 PM
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44. Glad to hear you have an October surprise, Hurricane Fitz...
it gives me a glimmer of hope in an otherwise depressing situation.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:28 PM
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13. I'm not surprised
Didn't Bush just have the jesus-freaks over to the WH to discuss the rapture and end times. Bush is a raving jesus lunatic and does not comprehend science.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:32 PM
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15. How does this guy get away with this shit?!! - Are Dems this ineffective?!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:08 PM
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19. A'yup. (NT)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:00 AM
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38. Yes, because we are minority... GET TO the POLLS in Nov.!
We can't put the brakes on this runaway train if we don't have subpoena power.. We don't get that if we don't have a majority anywhere...
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:41 PM
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17. The lies and the cover-ups just go on and on--n/t
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:06 PM
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18. the Democratic leaders need to jump on this. and it needs to get leaked!
anyone in a position to leak that report should do so immediately!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:10 PM
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20. The Bushies are consistent. They hate science.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:16 PM
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21. Here we have a National Academy of Sciences report
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 07:19 PM by Uncle Joe
stating we are approaching the warmest temperatures in 3 million years and these buckets of warm back wash are still trying to dumb the American People down. This is beyond disgraceful, this is treasonous.:grr:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2529763&mesg_id=2529763


Edit for P.S.

"If further global warming reaches 2 or 3 degrees Celsius, we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know. The last time it was that warm was in the middle Pliocene, about 3 million years ago, when sea level was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher than today," Hansen said."
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:04 PM
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27. Is it okay to wish for the violent death of an asshole like Bush?
'Cause I sure as hell do. He's responsible for the violent deaths of tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people. Now he's doing his best to ensure the deaths of maybe millions more in the future.

Newsprism
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:32 PM
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22. I told ya ...these people are ass carrots
Maybe the chimpster doesn't want new laws restricting his fart gas which is causing political ice caps to thaw.

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:49 PM
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24. kick
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:01 PM
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25. sigh....K &R
color me surprised :eyes:
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:41 PM
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26. Bury that head in the sand even more, BushCo .... eom
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moblsv Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:38 PM
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28. daily routine
Morning - The Bush administration has blocked release of a report that suggests <insert fact that contradicts Bush beliefs>
Evening - The Bush administration has released cherry-picked portions of a report that suggest <insert irrelevant uncertainty that seems to contradict official findings of the report>
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 09:44 PM
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29. I hope Crawford Texas ends up under ten feet of water
Though I'd settle for an F5 tornado hitting the "Western White House".
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:11 PM
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30. BushCo version of an informed public>>>>>>
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krispifried Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:26 PM
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31.  It doesn't take a weatherman


to know which way the wind blows.

See those red fingers on the left of the radar? Now whose might those be?

A seeming grid-pattern of five heat signatures appear out of nothing to the west of Hurricane Rita, intensify and hold their positions, and then fade to nothing. Their appearance coincided with the storm's unexpected turn away from Houston to track north before making landfall.
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/it-doesnt-take-weatherman_26.html
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:01 AM
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33. yep, this is way over the Chimp's head ...
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:28 PM
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32. How About...
...we take all of these anti-science troglodites and establish a continent just for them. Greenland comes to mind. Then when Greenland melts into the sea in a few decades because of that non-existent "global warming" theory: end of problem for those of us with functioning brains, and we can get important reports like this on the front pages where they belong. It's one thing to be idiots - it's quite another to be dangerous idiots who threaten us all.
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muesa Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 01:27 AM
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34. This is "Intro To Earth Science 101"
"Warmer South Atlantic water increases intensity and frequency of hurricanes." Just thumb thru Stull("Meteorology for Scientists and Engineers") or Ahrens ("Meteorology Today") at your public library or Barnes & Noble or Borders. Only deniable by creationists or flat earthers.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:45 AM
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41. I have Ahrens
It is a great reference.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:25 AM
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35. controlling what the people know.
this will always be goal number one of neocons.

whether it's science or corporate malfeasance or illegal wars -- always control what the people know.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:32 AM
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36. Let me get this straight. How is it that the BA can block the report?
Isn't the commission an independent organization?

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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:34 AM
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37. Journal says agency blocked report on hurricanes, warming
(snip)
WASHINGTON -- A government agency blocked release of a report that suggests global warming is contributing to the frequency and strength of hurricanes, the journal Nature reported yesterday.
(snip)

(snip)
In the new case, Nature said weather specialists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- part of the Commerce Department -- in February set up a seven-member panel to prepare a consensus report.

According to Nature, a draft of the statement said that warming may be having an effect. In May, when the report was expected to be released, panel chairman Ants Leetmaa received an e-mail from a Commerce official saying the report needed to be made less technical and was not to be released, Nature reported.

Leetmaa, head of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in New Jersey, did not respond to calls. NOAA Administrator Conrad Lautenbacher was out of the country, but Nature quoted him as saying the report was merely an internal document and could not be released because the agency could not take an official position on the issue.
(snip)


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/09/27/journal_says_agency_blocked_report_on_hurricanes_warming/
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:22 AM
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39. Where is the outrage?
This administration is no better than the Kremlin in the days of the Gulags. They incarcerate indefinitely without charge, legal representation or adjudication. They suppress vital information that is harmful to "their cause". They pressure their corporate slaves to suppress news. When will the sheeple wake up?
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:11 AM
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40. I'M SO SICK OF THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!! k & r
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:08 AM
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42. Truth to the Bush admin is as light is to vampires.
They can't stand it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:29 PM
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43. This is what happens when there is NO oversight people...
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 04:37 PM
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46. yay green party!
Thanks for helping make the chimp our president. He is certainly no different from Al "Inconvenient Truth" Gore. Way to stick to your principles. By the way, do principles float? I'm feeling some raindrops...
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