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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:10 AM
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ABC Cancels Mel Gibson's Holocaust TV Mini-Series
LA Weekly: ABC Cancels Mel Gibson's Holocaust TV Mini-Series Because Of His DUI Anti-Semitic Slurs
Nikki Finke

I have learned that, because of his DUI anti-Semitic slurs, ABC canceled development with Mel Gibson's television production company on a non-fiction TV mini-series about the Holocaust that was still in the early pre-script stage. The deal had been announced late last year baseed on the self-published 1998 memoir of Flory A. Van Beek, a Dutch Jew whose gentile neighbors hid her from the Nazis but who lost several relatives in concentration camps, titled "Flory: Survival in the Valley of Death." Gibson...was not expected to act in the 4-hour mini-series, nor was it certain that his name would even be publicly attached to the final product. But Quinn Taylor, ABC's senior vice president for movies for television, had said at the time the project was announced that the attention-getting value of having Gibson attached was a factor in greenlighting the Holocaust project. After the huge success of his The Passion of the Christ, networks and studios sought out Gibson and his Icon production company because they felt he'd reached a previously untapped spiritual audience for Hollywood entertainment. But the attention-getting value of having Gibson attached to the Holocaust project post-DUI arrest is what got the project killed at ABC. In Tuesday's New York Times, an ABC TV network spokesperson did not connect the project’s termination to Gibson’s remarks. But I'm told by sources close to Gibson that the decision was totally ABC's, and it was because of his DUI anti-Semitic tirade, and that Gibson and his people didn't challenge it. This is the first piece of business lost by Gibson because of his arrest during which he blurted anti-Semitic slurs while drunk. Earlier today, in an exclusive interview with me, Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, called on Gibson to to drop plans to produce the Holocaust mini-series for ABC....

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/exclusive-abc-has-canceled-mel-gibsons-holocaust-tv-mini-series/
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:13 AM
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1. He really WAS working on a Holocaust TV series?
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 12:16 AM by rocknation
It ISN'T a joke???
:wow:

Well, what do I know? I thought the "President Potty Stop" note was a joke, too!


:rofl:
rocknation
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:24 AM
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27. I read about it when the deal was being talked about
I was appalled then.

However, it would be great if someone else picked this up.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:25 AM
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28. No it isn't
I think he was going to play a member of the Gestapo who likes to take his Luger and kills Jewish Grandmothers
(Dark Dark Sarcasm)
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
89. That's what I thought, too -- who the heck gives Mel Gibson
a Holocaust project?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:19 AM
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2. All DUI's are very expensive, but few cost what this one will!
It still boggles my mind that people with as much money as Mel has wouldn't have a driver.

Party as much as you want! I don't care about that. Whatever his personal feelings really are about the Jews, no one would ever really know if he hadn't been STUPID!

Are his beliefs right? NO

Is he a hypocrit? YES

But for anyone with the money to talk a cab, call a limo, or have a driver, and still take the damn chance with your life and anyone elses you might meet on the highway is just plain stupid!

This one's gonna cost him a lot.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:22 AM
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3. What those corporations do with anti-Mexicans show hosts
who attack Mexicans every single day?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #3
62. Mexicans aren't white
,so it's A-OK with them.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:27 AM
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65. Those radio talk shows will spill more hate than Mel
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:27 AM
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4. jeepers, what a mess he made. i really don't know what to think... i'm not
Jewish, i'm not sure if any Jews are terribly offended by the drunken ravings of an actor, and i really think this is a huge disappointment to real Mel Gibson fans. it's tough for everyone associated wtih the guy... he's going to become a sort of pariah for now, and it's going to make a big mess for so many people in Hollywood. i guess it's just sad!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:39 AM
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5. He reaps what he sows.
Republicans should understand that.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:04 AM
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6. Well, I'm on the other end from you, to be honest.
His father is a Jew Hater of the First Order, and that stinking apple, IMO, does not fall far from the twisted tree. If his attitude is anything like his papa's, then his dipiction of the concentration camps would probably be insulting, and make Hogan's Heroes look like brutal, hard labor. "Eh, what's the fuss... so you have to wear horizontal stripes, get a teeny little tattoo, maybe the food isn't so great, but hey...think of it as a bad vacation at a health spa, ya??~~~~~~!"

His "Passion of the 'Non-Jewish' Christ" sort of cemented his attitudes, really, AFAIC.

It's not sad, IMO.

It's way overdue.

No excusing that sort of attitude.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:07 AM
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8. Unbelievable.
Yeah, it's no biggie if your ox isn't gored. Poor Mel Gibson fans.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:04 AM
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7. Maybe producing it would have taught him something.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:07 AM
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9. I really don't know what to think about this
I think Holocaust fiction has been very powerful and engaging. Schindler's List, The Devil's Arithmetic, Judgment at Nuremburg, etc. It's always a shame to see a missed opportunity.

But with Gibson's history, the loony ravings of his father, and his horribly offensive remarks when he was arrested, perhaps this subject material should not be covered by him.

If I was Jewish, I'd hate to think that this very sensitive subject was being utilized as a way to "make nice" by a man who probably feels very differently in private.

Maybe another network will pick this up, or someone else will purchase it from Mel.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:08 AM
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15. You're kidding me about Schindler's list right?
I'm probably going to get flamed, but that really isn't a great example of a good Holocaust movie. There are serious problems with the aesthetic of a film that injects that amount of sentimentality into a subject so horrible. I don't know what's worse, films that portray Nazi's as bumbling idiots who can be easily outsmarted (Hogan's Heroes/Life is Beautiful/Indiana Jones) insulting those who had to endure the horrors of the camps or those films which portray the camps as a haven for the "compassionate" among the Fuhrer's officers. Sorry, I'm a little more fond of watching films with a little more bite... Like Der Untergang or Truffaut's favorite Night and Fog which is arguably the best Holocaust film ever made.

I feel like too many films approach the holocaust with a lack of real understanding and history that is astounding. Just criminal. I can't imagine this network show was any different.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:46 AM
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19. I loved Schindler's List. It was moving and realistic.
You wrote: "but that really isn't a great example of a good Holocaust movie."

"I feel like too many films approach the holocaust with a lack of real understanding and history that is astounding. Just criminal."

Ok, but I disagree. No movie, and no work of fiction, is "accurate." It is true to its author(s). I don't want any one kind of "holocaust film."
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:14 AM
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24. I never said I wanted one kind of Holocaust film
I just feel that Schindler's list relies on sentiment and "moving" the viewer in an emotional way without providing a whole lot of substance. That's my humble opinion. I like a lot of different holocaust films. I think that there are even excellent comedies about the holocaust. They normally hinge on a careful use of irony and sarcasm. I'm forgetting the name of one right now which is about a German girl who get's a project at school to ask her grandmother about her family, and she ends up finding out that the whole town was complicit. The film uses odd camera technique and superimposition to create setting, and relies on real historical significance and meaning. Schindler's list is just as you described it; One artist's interpretation. And the binding to fact and history is flimsy at best. A similar film done MUCH better in my opinion is the Adrien Brody's The Pianist. That film is so much more interesting because it doesn't engross itself in the pitiful emotions of the characters (certainly not the Nazis) at the expense of the history.

I even think that Finding Nemo is a better Holocaust film. It uses subtlety in undermining the Hogan's heroes frame of the fishtank, and pays tribute to the efforts of those who "swam" against the net... There is the winning story of a father and son reunited after the truly tragic death of the mother... and then the transmittal of heroism and bravery of the father in the face of that adversity. I would even suggest that the Sharks who try not to be carnivores are a parody of the Schindler like character in the Holocaust genre. "Schindler's list" focuses on this conundrum of morals to the detriment of the real bravery and courage around it, and these Sharks make pure hilarious mockery of the Nazis who are in "rehab" from their cruelty and thirst for gore. It's positively charming how the film uses these tropes almost subconsciously to tell a completely different story, but all the while it seems very familiar, and doesn't once mistake a shark's inclination towards improving his behavior for one which is truly rehabilitated from its desire for genocidal murder. Is it a mistake that in the depths of the ocean a desperately sunken U-boat is where the Sharks have their meetings?

Call me crazy, but Schindler's list is not a favorite. Just an opinion. Knew I was going to get it for this.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:55 AM
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20. I avoided watching Schinder's List for that reason.
I could not bear to watch a shmalzty movie about those terrible events.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:27 AM
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31. I didn't find it shmaltzy at all
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:30 AM
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32. I did
Poor Little Liam Neeson... He's a Nazi who want's so much to be a butterfly (Sarcasm)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. But you actually saw the film!
Surely, someone who avoided Schindler's List because it was "schmaltzy" knows more than you.



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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:17 AM
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41. Hehehehe -- true
And, since it is decently accurate, I guess that makes the Schindlerjuden schmaltzy...

I mean, "schmaltzy"??? It was such a grim movie, and very unsentimental until the last 15 minutes or so...
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #31
47. I guess it was also because relatives were killed,
and it just breaks my heart to see it. I've learnt what I can, and I'm all for films like that being made, but I can't sit through them.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:06 AM
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61. Nor did I
I'll have to stick up for it here. I'm not highly educated about the holocaust, but I thought that film was one of the best I've seen. Of any movie, not just Holocaust movies. I can't dissect what was good or bad about it, I just know it affected me in a way no movie had before. There's a reason it won all those awards.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:09 AM
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23. The trouble is
that any film that portrayed the true horror of the Holocaust would be unwatchable. You've got to sweeten the pill if you want a mainstream audience.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:17 AM
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25. Ahhh...
Sweetening the pill of the holocaust. That's not something I hope we do willingly. That's Schindler's list's game, but if I were the Secretary of Education... Night and Fog would be required viewing for every student of the 8th grade.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:02 AM
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35. Exactly
it depends on the setting. In a commerical film there are certain considerations, but for purely educational purposes there should be less constraints.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:02 AM
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21. I didn't think "Schindler's List" was fiction
Maybe I'm wrong.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:06 AM
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22. It wasn't. n/t
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:19 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. Huh?
Schindler's List the film? It's totally fiction people. It is only BASED on real events. That doesn't make it non-fiction. By that definition, FARGO is non-fiction. Eek.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #26
64. Fargo was not based on real events
This is slightly off-topic, but I just have to mention this.

Even though it says that it is at the beginning, it's not.

From imdb.com:
"The specific crimes shown in Fargo didn't happen, but the plot seems to employ elements of two well-known Minnesota crimes. In 1962 a St. Paul attorney named Eugene Thompson hired someone to kill his wife, Carol. Unbeknownst to Thompson, his man hired someone else to actually do the job. The second man fatally wounded Mrs. Thomspon in her house but she managed to escape him. She went to a neighbor's house for help while her assailant fled the scene. The sloppiness and brutality of the crime attracted great attention. The murderers were quickly caught and gave up Thompson, who denied knowing anything about the crime for many years afterwards. In 1972, Virginia Piper, the wife of a wealthy Orono banker, was kidnapped. A million-dollar ransom was paid, one of the largest in U.S. history. Mrs. Piper was then found tied to a tree in a state park. Two men were convicted of the crime, but were acquitted after a re-trial. However, one of them later went on a shooting spree when his wife left him, killing her, her son from a previous marriage, her new man and one of his boys, and his own five-year old son. He died in prison. Only $4,000 of the money was ever recovered."
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:26 AM
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29. It wasn't, and neither was "The Pianist"
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 06:26 AM by LostinVA
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:33 AM
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33. Uh... hello
The Pianist was fiction too. Based on a Real Story does not a non-fiction make. The Pianist has the honor of being a little more connected to the chain of events than Schindler's list IMHO, but they are both still Fictional accounts of the histories of both events.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:15 AM
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37. Both the movies are "fictionalized" versions of real events.
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 07:16 AM by Bridget Burke
They were not documentaries. (Although documentaries do express the viewpoints of their creators.)

And, whether or not you liked the films--many did.

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2020 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
79. Schindler's List was a true story. Oskar Schindler saved 1,200 Jews.
He was a hell of a gutsy guy. A lousy business man. But a damn fine human being.

He's buried in Jerusalem. At the end of the movie, it shows the actual ceremony of Schindler survivors placing stones on his grave.

From Wikipedia:

Schindler's grave is located near the bus parking lot near Zion Gate. At the bottom of the ramp leading to the parking lot, across the street is a gate to the graveyard with a small sign indicating the way to Schindler's grave. It is on the lowest terrace, to the right of the entrance... The grave is easy to spot since it is the only one with many stones piled on top of it, each placed there as a token of gratitude by one of the people he saved or their loved ones.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #79
90. Schindler
The Schindler history is real. The Movie Schindler's list is fiction. Liam Neeson was hired to play a role as was Ben Kingsley. The only way that the film could have been non-fiction is if it included references to primary sources and real footage of the man. Any number of directors and documentarians have told this story over the years, and Steven Spielberg is probably the most free handed with the details. My point is not that the history is not true, it is that the film is simply a portrayal and must be categorized as fiction because of that. No one here was suggesting that the film's subject was not a historical fact. There is an odd suggestion though that the Spielberg Film "Schindler's list" is somehow non-fiction. That suggestion is utter nonsense.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:31 AM
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66. Steven Spielberg has also been declared an anti-Semite
They should hook up. Heads would explode all over Hollywood.

:nuke: :popcorn:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:10 PM
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73. I am jewish, and I definitely do not want mel gibson involved in the
telling of our history. I'm really glad ABC cancelled it, because otherwise I was thinking, how do you boycott a tv show?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:12 AM
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10. Mel needs to visit Whitwell TN
And maybe donate all the money necessary to fully fund the project and school curriculum across the country. He is an ass of the first order.

www.paperclipsmovie.com

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:19 AM
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11. Incredible that Hollywood has sunk so low, as to let a previously...
...suspected, and now almost absolutely confirmed, anti-semite produce a movie about the Houlicaust...


This is just mind-blowing.:banghead: :crazy:
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:27 AM
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30. What you guys don't seem to get is that...
Mel Gibson was going to play the most convincing role as Goebbels.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:01 PM
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82. Methinks Gibson was going to play Reich Bishop, Ludwig Mueller
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:26 AM
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12. Good!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:47 PM
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70.  Yeah, who needs his version of it
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. hi barb. glad to see you back. i missed you yesterday.
:hi:
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 01:36 AM
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13. mEL WaS DrUNk ASS HEll
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:45 PM
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69. He shouldn't have been wasted, just a little drunk.
His blood alcohol was .12
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:50 AM
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14. Oh, well....
Poor Mel will have to find something else to keep himself busy. Perhaps rehab, perhaps some public service, I am sure the court can come up with something.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:12 AM
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16. I hope they make him...
Go to Hebrew school and do 5 million Baruch Adonais for his community service.

Or more seriously, I hope they make him watch the whole Shoa collection of holocaust survivor interviews. That would be the best recipe for community service and rehab for this guy.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. .
:applause:

Furthermore....:yourock:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #16
38. Don't be silly.
He'll pay a large fine & perhaps go to some DUI classes. If he loses more work--he'll still be rich.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
85. Actually I was thinking
he could help clear spend several weeks picking up trash alongside the roadways in the cozy Summer we seem to be having. Society should get something useful from him.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:19 AM
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18. Good. n/t
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 06:48 AM
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34. Who here hasn't said or done something stupid after drinking too much?
I sure as hell have and, as such, I empathize with Mel too much to hold this against him. It will be an expensive lesson but at least he'll learn before he kills himself or someone else
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:36 AM
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39. having been drunk often enough
often coupled with acid or something else back in the 60's and 70's I still never was impolite or spoke ill about any race, ethnic group or religious group. What a person expresses during such periods of diminished self-control is often a very clear window into their soul.....
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #39
51. What a person expresses during such periods of diminished self-control is
often a very clear window into their soul....."

To a point I will agree with this but, then again, I don't think anyone's soul is clean and pure after a few decades on this planet and alcohol has a way of unchaining an inner beast that would otherwise be controlled in rational people. Whiskey especially has the ability to unleash powerfully evil inner forces IMO.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #34
40. There's no way in hell anyone will acquire bigotry they hadn't before
by drinking too much. Think about this.

Me, I hope he goes flip burgers.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:22 AM
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48. Perhaps
but, then again, perhaps while in his right mind (his inhibited mind if you will) he recognized that his feelings were inappropriate and he was able to repress them with moral/ethical rationalization. Alcohol has a way of diminishing our ability to make such ethical/moral rationalizations (just watch "Girls Gone Wild" if you don't believe me).

"Me, I hope he goes flip burgers."

That seems pretty hateful itself.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:39 AM
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53. Nobody ever died from flipping burgers.
It'd be a rather educational experience.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:42 AM
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56. I can't diasagree with that logic. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:28 AM
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42. come on, we all say and do stupid things when drinking
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 08:29 AM by Skittles
but how many of trash Jews and try to flee from the police???
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:12 AM
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46. but how many of trash Jews and try to flee from the police???
You obviously don't watch "Cops". Obviously Mel has some hatred in him. He should switch to smoking pot I think.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:58 PM
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86. whatever
that bastard Gibson is a f***ing bigot, always has been and he cannot blame THAT on acohol
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:46 AM
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43. I've said a lot of dumb things while drunk.
"The Jews are responsible for every major war" was never one of them. :thumbsdown:
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:03 AM
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45. I've said and done worse than that while drunk.
I'm not bragging. I recognized how out of control I was and gave up the bottle decades ago. Mel was clearly way the fuck out of control. His superstar status amplifies his mistake 100 fold too unfortunately for him..
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:40 AM
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54. Thanks for giving us a glimpse of the real you -nt
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:46 AM
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57. I never said I was nice. nt
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:32 AM
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50. Could you pronounce that sentence when you were that drunk?
The drunks I know couldn't.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:37 AM
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52. An alcoholic with a tolerance could which is what mel sounds like.nt
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 12:48 PM
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71.  There's stupid and then there's pathological
Mel is in the latter category
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:26 PM
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91. I haven't...
NEVER! I have fallen and puked and cried but NEVER said anything hateful and bigoted like that cause I don't promote that kind of shit. x(
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:47 AM
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44. Mel Gibson probably bills his series as having a "happy ending." n/t
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:23 AM
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49. Jews are very diverse and talented.
From writers to producers etc... In this business he picked on the wrong group of people to slam. I hope he never works again.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:31 AM
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67. no kidding...
good point
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Gully Foyle Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:40 AM
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55. Yip,yip,yip
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 09:46 AM by Gully Foyle
Maybe we should pull all Ezra Pound for being a fascist?
Or stop driving Fords because of henry's link to the Nazis.
And quit watching shows like Reno 911.
I was hoping mel's Holocaust series would focus on ALL the other victims most people seem to forget, like the Gypsy and the Ukrainians.
Holocaust isn't just about Jews even though they seem to be the ONLY group associated with it.
Better publicists I guess.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:52 AM
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58. Why does ABC hate America?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:48 PM
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93. Because it sucks
This was nothing more than Disney's ongoing divestment of adult and edgy materials. If any of you have been paying attention, since Steve Jobs and Pixar have had their little mind-meld with Disney, they've gutted the concept of Touchstone and gone back to doing nothing but family programming.

For them, this was just a convenient excuse.

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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:54 AM
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59. ABC's statement
From the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/business/media/01gibson.html

"“Given that it’s been nearly two years and we have yet to see the first draft of a script, we have decided to no longer pursue this project with Icon,” Ms. Hartman said, referring to Mr. Gibson’s production company.

She did not connect the project’s termination to Mr. Gibson’s remarks."

Why is always the case that the corporations feel they need to make some excuse for canceling a series (in this case). What would be so bad about saying "We don't think it's appropriate to produce a Holocaust series by a anti-semite"

Once again TV network execs show contempt for the public intelligence.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:03 AM
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60. As they say, "timing is everything in show business". nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:04 AM
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63. Interesting. He really has us guessing.
Although, a good actor doesn't let his politics get in the way of his acting. I remember Vanessa Redgrave, who was clearly anti-Semitic, played the role of a Holocaust survivor in a show called, "Playing for time." It was one of the most gripping performances I had ever seen.

Unfortunately, there were Jewish Americans who were so angry with her, that they even hated her sister, Lynn Redgrave, who was politically just the opposite. Lynn actually played in Chicken Soup with the Jackie guy. Funny show.

Anyway, it's just so sad how emotions cloud an issue so much, that perhaps, walking away from a project may make some sense financially for the network.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:35 AM
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68. I told my husband last night
that like it or not, Mel Gibson's career is over for quite some time.

Good thing he has the earnings from "The Passion of the Christ" to tide him over.

Julie
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Gully Foyle Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:32 PM
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78. Sure
Bullshit Gibson's career is over.
His new movie looks spectacular.
As long as he makes MONEY(profit) hollywood will keep him working.
This will be a very minor episode blown all out of proportion by some quick knee jerk blogging.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:10 PM
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87. It's now Tuesday
>This will be a very minor episode blown all out of proportion by some quick knee jerk blogging.<

The incident happened early Friday morning; it's now Tuesday, and it's still under discussion. The scandal rags will advance the story even more over this next weekend.

Gibson's done. His apology will be seen as nothing more than self-serving. He's made too many statements in the media already about every word his father saying is true, etcetera. There's good press and bad press. The American people have a great capacity for forgiveness, but the person looking for forgiveness had better be sincere, and Gibson doesn't strike me as a person who offers sincerity. At all.

I'll bet Mel Gibson's publicist and agent are mainlining Pepcid AC and Scotch right about now.

Julie
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Gully Foyle Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:24 PM
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92. Sure
Just like Yellow Cake and Fitzmas. Those were much larger scandals.
Where did they lead?
Hollywood loves MONEY!
Mel makes MONEY.
Use some sense on this one.
Mel apologizes. Mel enters rehab. Mels latest movie makes HUNDREDS of MILLIONS.
Hollywood once again loves Mel.
Also his last movie is still raking millions and has that whole christian audience thing and has last few films have been critical successes.
Anyone remember Polanski raping the twelve year old girl?
Did people boycott his films?
Wasn't he HONORED by hollywood a couple of years ago?
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 11:45 PM
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95. Excuse me, but you're wrong
>Anyone remember Polanski raping the twelve year old girl?<

Yes, they do. Roman Polanski has stayed out of the United States for the past 20 years for that reason. He's also found himself unable to sustain a career here as well.

>Did people boycott his films?<

Yes, they did, or did you not remember that?

>Wasn't he HONORED by hollywood a couple of years ago?<

There were also a large number of those who were not happy about that "honor". You might also want to search the "Vanity Fair" archives for the article on the subject.

You can continue your support of Mel Gibson. He just made himself as meaningless as Tom Cruise currently is in Hollywood.

Julie

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:51 AM
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97. And, the new photos of him mugging with blonde chicks have surfaced
Mel, who said he gave up his drinking and womanizing years ago, and likes to act like some kind of Moral Keystone...

GIGGLE!!!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:08 PM
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72. Good.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:21 PM
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74. Considering the number of Jewish professionals in Hollywood...
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06 02:22 PM by BeHereNow
I'd say put a fork in Mel...he's done.

As it should be.
What an ass hole he is.
Making such statements in the entertainment industry community
is like yelling "nigger" in a South Central black-gangster neighborhood.
A very foolish thing to do.
He'll be lucky to get a job doing info-mercials after this incident.


BHN
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:22 PM
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75. There's no business like shoah business
sounds like that bigoted lush is gonna miss out
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:28 PM
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77. Precisely what I said above you...
I have lived in Los Angeles for many years and
my s/o works in the biz- LOTS of Jewish people working
in the entertainment industry.
I would guess the Mel has now been placed
at the top of the black list by now.

He will be lucky to get a late night info-mercial after this
incident.

I sincerely hope is agent and lawyer are Jewish...
BWAHAHAHA.
BHN

:evilgrin:
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:22 PM
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76. Boycott ABC.
Discrimination against drunken Irishmen is anti-American. How dare they?
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2020 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:44 PM
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80. Gibson is an Aussie.
As an Irishman myself, I'm proud he is not Irish.
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illumn8d Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:51 PM
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81. He's an American
He lived in Australia from the age of 12, but always maintained his US citizenship.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:10 PM
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84. You're right, his father moved the family to Australia so that his sons...
could avoid the Vietnam war draft. I guess that lunatic didn't want his progeny dying in another "Jew driven war"
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:54 PM
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88. Well there's that sitcom he's doing, "Mayan Housewives".
ABC/Disney will pick that up surely.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:52 PM
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94. The last thing this world needs is more hatred towards a group of people.
Never will watch him again.


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:03 AM
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98. hhhhhmmmmm
Was the holocaust film going to be antisemitic? Schindler's list fiction? Don't know what to make of this. The holocaust film directing could have helped him empathize with the plight of Jews in their history. People are hard beyond their own good sometime. That being said, I respect their decision. Just remember though, the absence of dialogue especially with someone who grew up in a family of hate, doesn't help. Flame away but no disrespect intended. Just careful thought.
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