BBC News: Fraud video claim in Mexico poll (Video proof of fraud!)

[Up2Late]

(Humm, someone video taped other voters cheating? Is that legal?)
Tuesday, 11 July 2006, 04:28 GMT 05:28 UK

Fraud video claim in Mexico poll

Defeated Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador says he has "irrefutable" video proof of voting fraud by his election rivals.


Mr Obrador aired the video at his campaign headquarters

"I am certain the people are not going to permit this abuse," Mr Lopez Obrador said, repeating a demand for a recount. Official results show his rival Felipe Calderon won by 0.57 percentage points.

Mr Lopez Obrador has filed a legal challenge and says he will wait to see the court's ruling before deciding if he will accept the result.

Amateur video

Conservative candidate Felipe Calderon secured 35.88% of the 2 July vote, against 35.31% for Mr Lopez Obrador.

The latter's 900-page claim alleges some polling areas had more votes than registered voters and that his opponent overspent on his campaign. Among his other complaints, Mr Lopez Obrador says a computer software programme skewed the initial count of votes.

(more at link) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5167420.stm>

[MADem]

1. Well, we know how the Monkey wanted it to go, wasted no time in

congratulating the "right" guy, eh???

One tape, filmed in Queretaro state during a recount of votes for the presidential election, showed what seemed to be an election official refusing to recount the ballots in a box which had been declared in favour of Mr Calderon.

The other showed an alleged supporter of Mr Calderon's National Action Party (Pan) apparently stuffing six ballots into a box being used for congressional elections, which were held on the same day as the presidential race. ...

[goforit]

25. Will Mexicans take to the street? If Yes, how whimpy Americans will look

will have a huge effect.

Another inner reflection and reality shock on how
corruption taketh over.

[NJCher]

2. that could happen here

And the repukes would just say, "The tape proves nothing." Then we'd take it to court and a judge would say, "This doesn't prove anything."

Or so it seems.




Cher

[Up2Late]

4. You think that's interesting, check out this map of S, America

When you go to the link below, it's interactive (tells you when the next election is or last one was)

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/06/year_of_elections/html/nn1page1.stm>

[Peace Patriot]

8. Great map! Thanks for posting! But I liked it better when they colored

the good guys blue. So funny to see fascist dominions being called "red states." (Communism for the few!) (Law of the jungle for the rest of us!)

This may be how the Bush junta finally gets ousted. They've lost the hemisphere for predatory capitalism! (I'm thinking they're gonna Diebold Hillary into the WH to try to recover the biggest sweatshop and U.S. ag dump on earth.)

[demo dutch]

23. Don't count on it yet, remember exit polls don't count here!

[Adelante]

27. In Mexico, it could very well prove to be nothing

There were three ballot boxes. If voters were confused and ended up depositing ballots in the wrong box, i.e. presidential into local, it would be discovered during the preliminary count and the ballots moved into the correct box, as directed by the district "president." This was agreed to by the parties in advance, as I heard it, and probably happened pretty much everywhere.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Calderon's brother wrote the voting machine software! See...

Autorank's post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2717291&mesg_id=2717291

[Up2Late]

5. Thanks, I hadn't see that.

That just a little worst than our situation.


(Is this too gross for here?)

[TheModernTerrorist]

16. I've seen that icon before

but what is it from?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. "Scanners"

the movie from 1981

[TheModernTerrorist]

31. oh YEAH

that's it. thanks. what a great movie.

[dkos refugee]

29. hmmm

I guess it depends on whether or not it's real?

[Up2Late]

30. It's a fake movie special effect

Scanners 1981 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081455/>

It's not real, but it's kind of gross.

I'd like to have in in a smilie or maybe a little smaller, I might try to resize it smaller, but that might ruin the animation, I don't know.:shrug:

[Judi Lynn]

7. It would seem common sense and decency, long ago, would have

compelled candidates to keep their relatives and their associates away from any part of the election process: no campaign chairpeople also acting as the Secretaries of State in Florida and Ohio, no relatives as Governors, etc. if a candidate is running for the Presidency.

Rightwingers are eager to jump at chances like this, but truly decent people wouldn't consider it. Control freaks like right-wingers refuse to control themselves, and that's what has caused ALL our country's problems, and apparently Mexico's, as well.

Hearing Calderon's brother-in-law has been involved in this election is almost the last straw, and yet, it's so predictable.

[ursacorwin]

24. more reasons to trust the blogosphere

corrente beats the BBC, Houston Chron, etc. to this story, and many other parts that the SCLM has missed or been late on the draw.

it's just too familiar, all the elements in this mess. at least the mexican people are turning out and demaning their rights, unlike their lazy neighbors in the north.

[Up2Late]

6. Mexico leftist cries fraud with election videos (Reuters)

(This one might have a few more details, it's 2 pages)

Mexico leftist cries fraud with election videos

Tue Jul 11, 2006 01:49 AM ET

By Greg Brosnan

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - The leftist candidate who narrowly lost Mexico's contested presidential election showed what he called video proof of fraud on Monday and refused to commit to accepting a final court ruling on the results.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the former mayor of Mexico City, has asked an electoral court to reverse a razor-thin victory in the July 2 election for conservative Felipe Calderon of the ruling National Action Party, or PAN.

On Monday, Lopez Obrador played two shaky amateur videos that he said documented cheating by his rivals.

"This is old-style fraud," Lopez Obrador, upbeat and smiling, told reporters, saying similar instances of fraud had taken place across the country "I am certain the people are not going to permit this abuse," he said, repeating his demand for a nationwide, vote-by-vote recount.

(more at link) <http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=12798747&src=rss/worldNews>

[SoCalDem]

12. "...two shaky amateur videos that he said ..."...The media will NOT

allow him to win.. They are doing exactly what they did to Gore.. the ASSUMPTION is that Calderon won, so for the "sore loser" to DARE to question, is out of order..

:grr:

[hang a left]

14. OT

I liked your other Georgie's World better. Really funny.

[SoCalDem]

20. Here's one I would love to use, but it's too big

I don't know how to make these things small enough :(




found at www.b3ta.com

[Judi Lynn]

9. Houston Chronicle:Lopez Obrador: Videos show election fraud

July 10, 2006, 11:11PM
MEXICO ELECTION
Lopez Obrador: Videos show election fraud
Challenger says government aided Calderon's victory

By MARION LLOYD
Houston Chronicle Foreign Service

MEXICO CITY - Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the leftist presidential challenger, presented two videos Monday that he said proved the July 2 elections in Mexico were riddled with "old-style fraud" orchestrated at the highest levels of government.

The videos — one of which shows a man apparently stuffing wads of votes into a ballot box — are part of a strategy by the former Mexico City mayor to overturn the election results.

Lopez Obrador, who lost by half a point to conservative Felipe Calderon, is demanding a full recount of all 41 million votes.

By midday Monday, his party had given electoral officials more than 800 pages of documents alleging fraud and irregularities. Officials must certify a winner by Sept. 6.
(snip/...)

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4038138.html

[HuffleClaw]

10. the CNN spin is "ruling-party candidate Felipe Calderon"

the corporate media is really spinning this against 'the LEFTIST'

[Up2Late]

11. They must be under strict orders from the White House.

The Republican party is in serious trouble if they don't steal enough elections in November to keep control of the Congress. They are definitly going to pay for all this crap they've done to us in the last 6 years.:mad:

[David__77]

18. There's nothing wrong with being a leftist.

I hope Obrador is a leftist, and that he triumphs. Leftism is against the neo-liberal economic agenda that is killing people in the third world every day.

[Joanne98]

13. Is the video up yet?

[sugapablo]

15. Don't you see what's going on?

US, Mexico, Iraq...whereever elections are held, a certain powerful group of right leaning candidates and their puppetmasters are realizing they can pad their fortunes by rigging elections. Very easy to do when you begin to control media.

More to come.

[Ghost Dog]

19. Yup. Plenty more to come.

Watch, for example, Murdoch's (of NewsCorp, Fox) recently formally-contracted board member ex-Prime Minister José Maria AZNAR López help televised 'enlightenment' reach deep, next, into the hearts and they hope also dumbed-down minds of now 'leftist', 'renegade' (pulled troops out of Iraq!) SPAIN.

(While the Jeb Bush / Miami Chamber of Commerce irresistable business troops simultaneously move in - including using the Canary Islands for monitoring of communications and as a stepping-stone to further exploitation of Africa).

(I'm very busy handling other, domestic issues, but am working, alongside others, on researching/documenting this). Fairly dilligent notice.

[earthside]

17. Video on the Internet?

I saw a clip of this video on Democracy Now! this morning on Free Speech TV.

When you see it ... it's a jaw-dropper!

I hope someone better at web searches than me can find a link.

I'd love to out this on my web site.

[Up2Late]

22. I might search for it today

I found where the "news" media gets it Al-Quida video the other day (it's in my DU journal), I'll check if it's there at one of those sites if it's not at Democracy Now.

[Up2Late]

26. Democracy Now! has the Video in a video stream to today's show

It's in the video report in today's show is at about 4:00 minutes into the show's Headlines. The link is near the top of the page: <http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/11/144208>

Lopez Obrador Releases Video of Apparent Ballot Stuffing

The campaign for Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has released preliminary video of what it says proves he was cheated out of last week’s Presidential election. In a video shot in the central state of Guanajuato, the footage shows an apparent supporter of conservative candidate Felipe Calderon’s National Action Party stuffing a ballot box on the day of the elections. Lopez Obrador’s campaign says the footage is the first among many it has received from across Mexico. Calderon was declared the winner by just over half a percentage point. Meanwhile, Lopez Obrador’s campaign is criticizing foreign governments who are already backing Calderon as the winner. President Bush is among a handful of foreign leaders who have called the conservative candidate to congratulate him. Calderon cannot be declared president-elect until Mexico’s electoral court rules on the case.

* Jesus Ortega, campaign manager for Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador: "It's possible that the embassies aren't clear on Mexican electoral legislation and it's probable that there has been an error and a lack of information, but we want to better inform the embassies about what phase we are in in our process and that now there is not a president elect and that there is no reason to congratulate anyone."

(I'm not sure if this is the only version on the website, but I couldn't find another yet.)

[mvd]

28. It's good he's getting to the bottom of it

Maybe they didn't hide the evidence as well as Bushco.

[slackmaster]

32. The video is evidence of fraud, not proof that fraud prevailed

Pretty compelling evidence from what I have seen and read about it.

While I applaud efforts to get the count done honestly and appreciate peoples' optimism, I'd keep the champagne corked until the final result is tallied.

The evidence for fraud by PANistas doesn't prove that there was enough skulduggery on their part to alter the outcome of the election, nor does it in any way prove that the PRD didn't engage in its own underhanded efforts to put their man over the top. In all likelihood the final outcome will be the same - A razor-thin win by Calderon.