NYT: Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts

[DeepModem Mom]

Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts
By JOHN KIFNER
Published: July 7, 2006

A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racial hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with Defense Department investigators and reports and postings on racist Web sites and magazines.

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."...

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The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote "The Turner Diaries," the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy J. McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enroll followers in the Army to get training for a race war.

The groups are being abetted, the report said, by pressure on recruiters, particularly for the Army, to meet quotas that are more difficult to reach because of the growing unpopularity of the war in Iraq....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html

[uppityperson]

1. k&r for obvious reasons

[rodeodance]

19. k

[saigon68]

22. Insightful

NOW THE TURD IS RISING TO THE SURFACE OF THE WATER IN THE BOWL

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. Gangs are also joining up - Iraq has had gang tags graffiti, as well.

They're joining the military to learn military ways of killing each other.

[NEOBuckeye]

This is hardly anything new.

I don't know about the "white power" types, but urban gang members have been joining the military at least since Vietnam to develop and improve their fighting skills. When they get back to the U.S., they are far more formidable to deal with than before they left.

[Tempest]

32. What is new

Is that they are out in the open now while serving in the military.

There were no reports of gang graffiti in Bosnia that I can recall.

[saigon68]

28. The recruiters are THUGS TOO they assault and RAPE Children

Marine Recruiter Appears In Manitowoc Co. Court

http://wfrv.com/topstories/local_story_163190514.html

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_163190549/lg

(WFRV) MANITOWOC A Lakeshore Marine Recruiter appeared in Manitowoc County Court Monday accused of sexually assaulting three teens.

29-year-old Donny Rage pleaded not guilty to five misdemeanor charges of fourth-degree sexual assault. He also requested a preliminary hearing on the three felony charges of third-degree sexual assault.

Rage is accused of sexually assaulting three girls, between the ages of 16 and 18, that he met during recruiting stops at area schools.

[brokensymmetry]

3. Large numbers?

You mean, like, both of them? :evilgrin:

They're not exactly a mass movement...

[oneold1-4u]

8. "mass movement"

This is not needed in this country to take a good sized town hostage! That is what the "intelligent" knows and they don't have to be terrorists!
Revolution can take many forms, and had there been a few willing in the last 2 elections to stand in some way for a correction of the possible illegal voting machines and tabulations of ballots, this might be a lot different today.
This nation is hostage by a few today, already, so perhaps it could change for better?

[Bobbieo]

4. What has Bush done to our country?????

I blame the whole thing on the "W".

[cantstandbush]

29. Bush has made it legal for these hate-mongers to kill.

I have been saying this since 2003. The military is full of these evil people. Yes, the military has a lot of decent, honest, good men and women who do believe in America BUT the military is full of eveildoers too. It is ridiculous for people to not own up to the truth and recognize that everything our military does is not honorable or patriotic. And, Mr. Hannity, it is not smearing the entire military to point out the ones who are evil and who should be removed. They do not deserve to even be in this country as they honor nothing that this country stands for.

[DELUSIONAL]

5. Just the sort of people we need in Iraq

NOT

Or in the military for that matter.

Eisenhower put an end to racial segregation in the military when he was President. I remember that military housing was fully integrated.

[INDIA]

7. This is kind of a non-story

You could argue the racism problem was 1000 times worse during the 60's and 70's when racism was still acceptable in some parts of the country. It has been argued before, and I would agree, that the military is far less racist than society as a whole due to rigid rank structure and color blind training that every service member must go through.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. A non-story. Right.

Suppose McVeigh had 20 compatriots, each with a different target. Suppose they smuggled a hundred pounds of C-4, each. A hundred pounds of military explosive could make a much better, more efficient bomb, as powerful as the ton of fuel oil/fertilizer that McVeigh used.

If you have sympathetic military manning the flights, the loading and unloading of cargo, it would be easy to get any kind of weaponry out of Iraq and into this country. Think of all the cases of weapon smuggling from Vietnam, the wholesale importing of drugs on military flights.

It happened then with a lot less organization than the skin-head groups are able to organize today.

This is not about racism in the military - it's about racists getting training and arms, and then coming home.

McVeigh didn't blow up any federal building in Kuwait City.

[INDIA]

31. training yes

weapons? Highly doubltful. There is VERY strict accountability to weapons and ammo. I remember at Quantico when a rifle went missing they basically shut the entire base down to look for it. Besides, there's really no need to steal the weapons from the militray, you can buy just about any assault weapon legally thanks to BushCO.

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Rear echelon accountability, no doubt, is just as it always was.

And battlefield accountability it just as it always has been.

Soldier comes across a cache of 10 RPGs, declares he found 5, the other five find their way onto a transport home. A carton of grenades goes missing - no doubt stolen by insurgents. That heavy machine gun that was lost when the convoy was attacked, along with all its ammo, that winds up in someone's duffel bag. All you need is a little cooperation, and money placed in the right hands.

Soldiers have smuggled weapons off the battlefield ever since there have been battles. Sometimes, just as souvenirs (my dad had a Japanese rifle - but it was in turn stolen from his locker in San Diego) sometimes because they have an agenda.

There is a huge difference between assault-styled semi-auto weapons available here and fully automatic military issued automatic weapons, whether they're of US or Eastern Block origins. There are very strict controls on full-auto weapons, even where they are available, and they ain't cheap.

Yes, it would be very difficult for a single guy on his own to smuggle something back from Iraq (not that it can't be done); much harder than it was even after the 1st Gulf War, let alone Vietnam. But with the proper persons in the proper places along the way, it could be done by a half-dozen working together. Just a matter of knowing the system, knowing who's going to be looking for what, where.

And this is just the military. Who's controlling the 40,000 mercs?

[struggle4progress]

9. .. October 29, 1947: The President's Committee on Civil Rights ..

.. .. condemns segregation wherever it exists and criticizes specifically segregation in the armed forces. The report recommends legislation and administrative action "to end immediately all discrimination and segregation based on race, color, creed or national origin in...all branches of the Armed Services." ...

January 1948: President Truman decides to end segregation in the armed forces and the civil service through administrative action (executive order) rather than through legislation ...

July 29, 1948: President Truman states in a press conference that the intent of Executive Order 9981 is to end segregation in the armed forces ...

July 26, 1951: The Army announces that the integration of all its units in Korea, Japan and Okinawa will be completed within six months ...

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation/large/index.php?action=chronology

HARRY S TRUMAN!

[DELUSIONAL]

44. So it was Truman! Good!

I knew it happened after WWII -- and that I grew up in a desegregated military environment. We had multiracial neighborhoods -- and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Canuckistanian]

6. Jews or Arabs, they're equal-opportunity haters

Right, just the sort of person you want cruising the streets of Baghdad with live ammunition.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Who's surprise that this war attracted the young nazis?

It was built on a false premise.

[Nothing Without Hope]

11. Hitler had his SS. Looks like * is getting his, too.

The bushies want a US military that won't question even the most obviously hateful and illegal orders. This plays into their hands.

[951-Riverside]

12. This is NOTHING new when my brother served during the 80's

...skinheads where a problem.

[IndianaGreen]

13. "We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad"

An article in the National Alliance magazine Resistance urged skinheads to join the Army and insist on being assigned to light infantry units.

The Southern Poverty Law Center identified the author as Steven Barry, who it said was a former Special Forces officer who was the alliance's "military unit coordinator."

"Light infantry is your branch of choice because the coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war," he wrote. "It will be house-to-house, neighborhood-by-neighborhood until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' "

It would seem to me that Al-Qaeda and the neo-nazis should be natural allies. Their hatred of Jews and anything perceived as Jewish.

Perhaps like in Germanyat the end of World War I, the end of the Iraq war will bring about a lot of finger pointed. Not to the politicians and Generals that plunged this country into this wasteful war, but at Jews and liberals.

[Dhalgren]

15. Who would have thought this hand-basket would be so roomy?

How long till we get to Hell?

[xenu]

17. You may be right

I spend some time online reading what the hate groups have to say, and mainly they rant and rave about Jews and Israel.

You are right about the al-Qaeda thing. Neo-nazis have no sympathy for the victims of terror. I'm coming to think that all terrorists are just fascists under the skin.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. here's an idea...

Tell them the war is "for" Israel, like some here believe, that might make them jump ship right quick...hopefully into a whirlpool!

[KingFlorez]

41. Chalk this up to another reason this war is bad

Now their just letting anybody into the military

[nealmhughes]

14. My old Navy Nuke Submariner friends were horrified when the few who

from air craft carriers went to work with us in a commercial nuke plant told us horror stories, one described the mess decks of air craft carriers as "roving bands of ehtnic gangsters and skinheads". This was in the early 80s! I think that there is a severe disconnect with the people who join the military for altruistic/training purposes and those who have a "uniform with a number or a chevron" choice.

One thing we need to remember is that these boys (and to me most of them are) are very, very immature. Barely out of high school. That means a strong male role model is very much sought by them. If they have great NCOs who know what the guys are reading/joking about/talking about, then they are usually able to stamp it out through group pressure. If they lack this, or their senior NCOs are actually encouraging or else ignoring them, then what does one expect?

Anyone who has lived in a college town knows that a gang of drunken fratboys can be a very dangerous thing, and these are supposed to be "the elite"... Now imagine a bunch of working class boys...also having a group identity and a lot of testosterone to blow off, but no parent or big brother to rein them in...

As my dear old professor (who isn't really old at all, just senior to me) used to warn us all when we were let loose on freshmen as TA's: "Remember that they are only good at one thing, and that is being kids."

Mark Potok just found out about it.

[xenu]

18. People should read "The Turner Diaries"

It gave me a lot of insight into the reactionary mindset - very self-pitying and paranoid.

It's available for free online.

[whometense]

35. god.

This is so brutally depressing..

Training potential domestic terrorists with the taxpayer's money. Just what you'd expect from this bunch of criminal thugs.

[pecwae]

25. There were a number

of skinhead types in my Army command in the 80's as well. Graffitti filled the walls of the men's rooms in HQ (most of it aimed at black women troops). That was '82-86 with only the Grenada rescue mission to give much spotlight to the military. You're dead on about NCO leadership or lack.

[Irreverend IX]

20. If the Pentagon is letting this sewage into the military...

I'm surprised the Iraq occupation hasn't self-destructed completely. However bad the Iraqi opinion of Americans is, a gang of cretins looking to wage their very own Racial Holy War will make it a million times worse.

On the bright side, it's likely that a lot of these Aryan Warriors will return to the U.S. with Gulf War Syndrome. That oughta put a damper on the race war.

[goforit]

21. And this is the military Lieberman so preciously supports.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. what an odd statement.

[rooboy]

26. You support a military infiltrated with anti semites? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Again, this too is an odd statement.

I support the military. I do not support bigotry and intolerance! I have a feeling Lieberman would feel the same, given his record on civil rights. It is the responsibility of the military to educate these people, or drum them out!

So there is no confusion, I support the military, but I do not support every action, I do not support the illegal occupation of Iraq, and I do not support the continued use of the National Guard, and I do not support generalized military-bashing.

[formercia]

27. And they get to wear their favorite helmet. n/t

[winston61]

30. wake up people- it ain't just the military

It's the police force too. Dumb down the requirements and get a couple of these racists in management and here we go. I've seen local cops in this town, off duty on their Harleys all decked out the confederate stars and bars. 'It ain't hate, it's heritage' read the stickers. Uh, yeah right.

[Breeze54]

34. Must be worse as this was in the news in May!

'old news'... I posted about this in May.

Gangs claim their turf in Iraq

May 1, 2006

BY FRANK MAIN Crime Reporter

The Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings and Vice Lords were born decades ago in Chicago's most violent neighborhoods.
Now, their gang graffiti is showing up 6,400 miles away in one of the world's most dangerous neighborhoods -- Iraq.

Armored vehicles, concrete barricades and bathroom walls all have served as canvasses for their spray-painted gang art.
At Camp Cedar II, about 185 miles southeast of Baghdad, a guard shack was recently defaced with "GDN" for Gangster Disciple Nation,
along with the gang's six-pointed star and the word "Chitown," a soldier who photographed it said.

The graffiti, captured on film by an Army Reservist and provided to the Chicago Sun-Times,
highlights increasing gang activity in the Army in the United States and overseas, some experts say.

Military and civilian police investigators familiar with three major Army bases in the United States --
Fort Lewis, Fort Hood and Fort Bragg -- said they have been focusing recently on soldiers with gang affiliations.
These bases ship out many of the soldiers fighting in Iraq.

"I have identified 320 soldiers as gang members from April 2002 to present," said Scott Barfield,
a Defense Department gang detective at Fort Lewis in Washington state.

"I think that's the tip of the iceberg."

Of paramount concern is whether gang-affiliated soldiers' training will make them
deadly urban warriors when they return to civilian life and if some are using their
access to military equipment to supply gangs at home, said Barfield and other experts.

'They don't try to hide it'

more at link...--> http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gangs01.html

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Must be getting worse if it's in the news again!!
:cry:

[AbsoluteArmorer]

36. A new age mentality is upon us.

Even in the military. :banghead:

[SoCalDem]

37. The draft is a "drift net".. It catches a variety of people

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-04-06 01:10 PM

32. The draft is a "drift net".. It catches a variety of people

Volunteer service is another animal altogether. Volunteer military by its very nature, attracts people who "need" something from the military..something personal.. It could be as ordinary as a chance at a decent education once the tour is up...or it could be because the applicant is looking for an "extreme adventure", and may just be a psycho. Probably more often than not, most applicants are interested in the medical benefits for their families and a chance at an education, but the military suffers at the hands of the few loonies who gravitate to a lifestyle that gives them all-encompassing power over other people, arms them to the teeth, and sends them out to kill..

When there's a draft, although it sometimes passes by the elite children, it does manage to catch a wide variety of the rest of the population. It catches bookish guys, musicians, poets, artists, athletes, right along with the "adventurous" types. The military can be a place where it all "evens-out"... the bookish ones gain a self-reliance, a toughness they never had...and some of the "tougher" ones may actually learn to like reading and music...

When I went to my first high school reunion, I found out that one of the guys who I went to high school with had been killed in Viet Nam.. He was the kid with the pocket-protector, the Buddy Holly glasses (before they were cool), and who carried an expansion briefcase to school.. people belittled him, teased him, and yet HE died a hero in Viet Nam.. He obviously had a transformative experience when he was tested, but no one in a million years would have ever expected Craig to even survive boot camp.. ...(He passed on a schoralship to Kansas University to serve...and he lost his life at 19.)...

There were also guys who were headed straight for jail, and who turned their lives around after being drafted.. The modulating effect of all kinds of people from all places cannot be underestimated..

You don't get that from an all volunteer service.. It's an inner-outsourcing.. What used to include most, now only looks for the "few".. they even say it in their ads..

[tabasco]

38. This is Rumsfeld's idea of improving the military.

Allowing idiots and criminals to join up is starting to show consequences.

There is still a serious recruiting crisis.

The Bush corporate cabal is afraid of the political consequences of a draft so they are constantly lowering the standards.

[Dembo98]

40. Having served for 9 years, and just recently getting out of the military..

I can assure everyone that there is no room and no quarter given to gangs of any kind in the military. A stupid individual can paint anything he wants and there might be a possibility of like-minded gang members to associate on their post or garrison after hours or during some off time. (We've seen this in Texas) But once deployed, the individuals in these units have no ability to organize or act out, except as individuals. Any sign of gang activity and they would be sent packing and discharged. I sent several home myself.

[formercia]

42. Too bad they couldn't be picked out in recruit training.

Before getting serious weapons training.

Usually, their tattoos give them away.

Thanks for trying to keep the system clean.


Put them on mine clearing detail.

[madokie]

43. And I thank you for each and every one you sent home

Thanks for your service and welcome to DU, I hope you find you like it here.