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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:28 AM
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House votes to overturn mandatory gun locks
House votes to overturn mandatory gun locks

Reuters
Wednesday, June 28, 2006; 11:15 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives voted on Wednesday
to overturn a recently enacted law requiring safety trigger locks on all
hand guns sold in the United States.
<snip>
Last fall, President George W. Bush signed legislation giving gun makers broad
protections from civil lawsuits, but that law contained the mandatory trigger
lock provision.

The amendment overturning the requirement for trigger locks was attached to a
larger law enforcement spending bill for next year that has not yet been
considered by the Senate.
<snip>

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/29/AR2006062900014.html
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:28 AM
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1. The regressives strike again
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:32 AM
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2. Desperation is thick in the air...
When they start trolling for the I-think-it's-just-fine-that-my-child-has-access-to-my-firearm crowd, you know they're hurting.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:46 PM
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20. This is one of several attempts by the GOP
to go diving for dipshits amongst the trigger happy.....

They're also going to try to run through a "Can't take away guns in a natural disaster" bill...because what could be more useful during a catastrophe than a dickless wheehole waving his phallic substitute?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:45 AM
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3. Yo Rethugs.. Say good bye to the Soccer Moms!
Friggin idiots are screwing themselves left and right these days!

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:45 AM
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4. How irresponsible......the Contract on America hits just keep on coming.
nt
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 01:59 AM
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5. The NRA and Robertson/Falwell are now running the GOP
Bush's GOP.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:01 AM
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6. I've never quite understood trigger locks...
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 02:01 AM by Mythsaje
I know this will piss off a lot of people on this board, but I've always considered trigger locks an astoundingly stupid idea. If someone actually NEEDS a gun, they need it now, and don't have time to hunt down a key to be able to use it.

Might as well not even have a gun. Which, when you get down to it, was probably the whole point in the first place.

This is not to say I'm in support of accidental shootings by children who manage to get their hands on the guns, but, then again, I was raised to believe that part of the cause of that sort of thing was people allowing their kids to play with toy guns. I was NEVER allowed to play with toy guns (a piece of wood shaped like a laser gun was a different thing entirely) and I knew from an early age that guns weren't toys.

edited to fix a typo
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:35 AM
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10. Safety begins between the ears
Remember, whenever man makes something foolproof, God makes a better fool. The best safety can't overcome stupidity.

Gun locks are not neccessarily a bad idea. In any decent gun collection you have guns that you would not go to in a life-threatening situation, such as hunting rifles or long-barrelled shotguns. You can keep those in a zippered case with external locks, and keep the "honey, I heard a noise downstairs" gun, like a pistol, in a quick-access keyless safe.

It's really the anti-gun groups trying to do to guns what the anti-abortion people are doing to abortion: putting more and more hurdles and hassles in the way. Both groups want to ban something and don't care particularly about the ways to accomplish their means.

Considering that 65% of civilian-owned firearms in the world are in the hands of American citizens (some 220 million guns), I think we're doing quite well.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:39 PM
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19. Where gun loonies seem to be empty
"It's really the anti-gun groups trying to do to guns what the anti-abortion people are doing to abortion:"
What a pantload. The plain gfact is that Americans get shot at third world rates because the corrupt gun industry is virtually unregulated.

"Considering that 65% of civilian-owned firearms in the world are in the hands of American citizens (some 220 million guns), I think we're doing quite well."
Only if you consider a bloodbath "quite well."
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:38 AM
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12. another piece of stoopidity
Ass clowns who keep loaded guns are idiots. Putting a lock on one is crazy.

Guns are tools that need to be shown respect, and in the big scheme of things, laws like this have made roosevelt democrats into bush voters in my part of the country

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:12 PM
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17. Very true..
It was very tiring after the 2004 election to hear blue-collar workers in rural South Dakota (like there's an urban SoDak lol) say "Good, now we'll get to keep our guns" when they heard that Kerry lost.

Many Democrats, like me, get ansy when the government starts making lists of things. Like, who we call, how long for, when, and how often. Security cameras on street corners watching people. Things like EZ-Pass, which convienently pay for bridge tolls and incidently provide a complete record of where and when you've been driving. Splicing phone records with bank activities and email contents to see if people are 'terrorists'.

However, many Democrats, unlike me, don't get ansy when the government wants to make a nice list of all of the guns people own. In California, they even tried to get the ammuntion serialized and registered!

This is something that people need to be made aware of. It is something of a Democrat blind spot that the damn Republicans hammer home all the time. While the Republicans have PLENTY of blind spots of their own, they are not as easy to hammer as "Democrats want to confiscate your guns". And it pisses me off to see these non-union workers who get decent benefits but only mediocre pay, living in an area known for farm subsidies, voting GOP because of the gun issue!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:34 AM
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7. If people want a trigger lock, they can go ahead and buy one
A lot more people die every year because of lack of health care than because of accidental gun deaths.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:52 AM
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16. Actually, most marshal's & sheriff's offices
out here in CO give them away for free. :shrug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:49 AM
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8. I shake my head.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:09 AM
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9. Matters less than you think
Pretty much all reputable gun makers include some sort of integrated lock, external lock, or locking case with their guns anyway. Threats of lawsuits and all that.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:35 AM
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11. We can't get them to VOTE on covering OUR CHILDREN
with some form of universal health care, but they VOTE on removing mandatory gun locks?

And flag-burning.

I wanna scream.

TC
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:06 AM
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13. Is it already that time of year? "Throw a bone to gun nuts" season?
And aren't they all for responsible gun ownership including
the locking of their weapons?

Tesha
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:51 AM
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15. Gun owners are Sooo responsible that they should not be subject to laws.
Or at least the small percentage of them who believe that the NRA is looking out for them and not just a lobbying machine for the gun industry.

Delusional Nutjobs.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:11 AM
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14. The party of "family values" strikes again.
Yep. Another strike against real family values.
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Indy Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:27 PM
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18. Trigger locks are nearly worthless

They are only to be used on an unloaded gun, which is already harmless, and can be easily removed with a screwdriver or hacksaw.

So they only group they affect are those who are capable and willing to load and fire a gun, but not willing to dammage a $5 trigger lock.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:47 PM
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21. What's the cover justification for THAT?
Of course its to save gun makers money, but they must have some kind of side justification for this kind of crap. I wonder what it is.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:10 PM
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22. It's an non-issue anways...
since even if passed, there would be no requirment that they actually be used.
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