Iraqi cleric freed after U.S. raid

[IndianaGreen]

Iraqi cleric freed after U.S. raid

Saturday, June 24, 2006; Posted: 12:16 p.m. EDT (16:16 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. forces released a revered 70-year-old Sunni cleric on Saturday hours after detaining him, Iraqi officials said.

Crowds earlier gathered to denounce the early morning raid on the Tikrit home of Sheik Jamal Abdul Karim al-Dabban, which was described as "outrageous" by a key political party.

U.S. forces told Iraqi authorities that bad intelligence led to the raid and detention of al-Dabban and two of his sons, officials from Salaheddin province said.

The officials told CNN that the U.S. military apologized to al-Dabban and to the provincial governor and the head of the provincial council.

Earlier, the largest and most powerful Sunni Arab political party issued a statement attacking the raid in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of Baghdad.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/24/iraq.main/index.html

[shain from kane]

1. A 70-year old cleric is about as dangerous as 7 street people from Miami.

[IndianaGreen]

3. 7 people without money, guns, or explosives

and the only one that spoke violence was the FBI informant.

[951-Riverside]

8. Just curious where did you get these "facts" IndianaGreen?

I want links or a name of your "source".

Edit: I'm refering to this comment only.

and the only one that spoke violence was the FBI informant.

[IndianaGreen]

9. CNN showed a video of the same informant in the 2001 case

The informant is showing some weapons that he had in his van to his "mark." The CNN correspondent noted that the mark was merely nodding his head and smiling. No weapons were ever obtained by the mark, no violence was ever mentioned, except by the FBI informant. The mark was prosecuted and convicted for terrorism, this was 2001 mind you.

Now we see the same informant doing the same thing to the Miami 7.

[IndianaGreen]

14. Sears Tower Arrests: US Government Creates Another Al-Qaeda Cell

Sears Tower Arrests: US Government Creates Another Al-Qaeda Cell

Entrapment method used again to frighten Americans into submission

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 23 2006

Hot on the heels of a rash of staged terror alerts in both Britain and Canada, the announcement that seven men were arrested for planning to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and other prominent buildings is already taking the shape of another US government manufactured Al-Qaeda punch and judy show.

As is usually the case, the alleged ringleader Nassir Batiste's family and friends are aghast that he could have any terrorist connections and uniformly deny the plausibility of and Al-Qaeda connection, describing him as a simple construction worker and a "nice guy."

<snip>

The key comment here is from the suspects friend. It clearly looks as if the "someone" who tried to bend his ear and convince him to join Al-Qaeda was acting on behalf of the US government and running an entrapment sting.

Entrapment is the primary method used to expose supposed Al-Qaeda cells, the evidence of which they were dangerous terrorists later dissolves into thin air in every single instance. It was used in the Canadian scare earlier this month and also recently in the Toledo arrests.

Attorney General Gonzales said that "the individual they thought was a member of al-Qaida was present at their meetings and in actuality he was working with the South Florida Joint Terrorism Task Force."

This is classic entrapment and the artificial manufacture of an Al-Qaeda boogeyman to wave in front of the American people.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/230606searstower.htm

[AlamoDemoc]

13. Exactamundo!

[IndianaGreen]

2. Here is Judi Lynn's post of the cleric's arrest earlier today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2354195

[TomInTib]

4. "bad intelligence", my ass. This isn't Cabrini Green where the

wrong door gets kicked down.

This was a power play to show them Hajis who is boss and it blew up in their (our) faces.

Having worked on extraction teams myself, I can assure you this release will in no way tamp down the outrage caused by grabbing this guy and his sons.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. Bbbbbut mission accomplished!?! Turned the corner!?! do you mean (gasp)

that our forces turned the wrong corner?
Oh my.

stupid, silly, bastards.

[TomInTib]

7. The planning behind a mission like this is acutely intense.

It's not, "Hey, Steve, grab a couple of your guys and go over to Sheik JoeBob's house and see what's up. Lemme know if you find anything".

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. A key issue that MSM ignores or does not know

Of course, their paid retired military talking heads won't advise them because too much criticism of the administration would prove dangerous to their post-military career futures. No defense contractor will give you that cushy corner procurement office if you are too critical to the hand that overfeeds them.

You are exactly right. Logistics, com, entry and exit strategies, and much more is painstakingly planned out for each operation. Of course, it increases safety, but suffers from the problems of leading to slow response times and concrete ideation or one tracak thinking. (the plan MUST go on, because it is the plan) I suggest that slow response times and concrete ideation also apply to the whole Iraqi quagmire.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Good point about retired military talking heads

They are not about to risk their cushy jobs with defense or security contractors by bad mouthing the very government that awards contracts to those companies.

[IndianaGreen]

6. According to Al-Jazeera, intelligence they got from Zarqawi

The US military said it had been acting on intelligence gathered following the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, in a US air strike on June 7. It said it arrested other suspects at the mufti's home.

The Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars said that Sheikh Jamal was taken into custody, along with at least two of his sons, in the early hours of Saturday morning following a raid by US forces.

The Iraqi Islamic Party said another religious leader who had been a guest in Sheikh Jamal's home, Sheikh Abdalilah al-Hiti, was also arrested.

US forces made no mention of Sheikh Jamal's sons or Sheikh Abdalilah.

The mufti was released about seven hours later, following protests.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F48406AD-2A31-4866-9451-B15AA11E928E.htm

[Igel]

12. Likely mycelium.

Hard to root out toadstools if you leave the mycelium.

But I guess if one's culture says mycelium can't possibly exist, or has no possible relation to the toadstools, it's the only possible outcome.

Doesn't help the deaths from toadstools, though. There are always naive fools that are ready to swallow anything.