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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:47 PM
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'Great progress' in training Iraqi forces: US general
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:48 PM by Barrett808
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States has made "great progress" in training Iraqi security forces and expects 75 percent of them to soon be leading anti-insurgency operations, the top US general in Iraq said.

But neither General George Casey nor Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld gave any concrete sign of plans to cut the currently 127,000-strong US troop presence in Iraq three years after the invasion to oust Saddam Hussein.

"What we've always said is there will be a gradual reduction over time as the Iraqi security forces assumed a larger and larger role," Casey told a Pentagon news conference.

He said that three Iraqi army divisions, 18 brigades and 69 battalions were taking the lead in the fight against the insurgents across the country.

This compared with one division, four brigades and 23 battalions that were in the lead at the beginning of the year.

"So great progress here over six months," Casey told reporters. "We expect that progress to continue and I expect fully by the end of the summer, some 75 percent of the Iraqi brigades will be in the lead."

(more)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060622/pl_afp/usiraqsecurity

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:50 PM
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1. That's pure bullshit. I read that members are deserting 100's at a time.
These guys need a new line of crap. The old ones aren't working anymore.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 03:28 AM
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12. General George Casey
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 03:29 AM by saigon68
Is taking drugs to dull the realization that he is a complete lackey to the Bush Criminals

He is a liar, an enabler of hoodlums and a War Criminal
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:40 PM
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2. wow, there has been SOOOO much propaganda this week. WHAT are
they trying to HIDE???? as for this latest bit, why believe 'em now? they simply fudge the stats they've been caught in outright lies about this at least twice already.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:48 PM
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3. Then bring our troops home
Or at the very least, put them in Kuwait where they will be safe from IED attacks. Let the Iraqis start policing their own country.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:59 PM
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4. bullshit - who believes these people anymore
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:13 AM
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5. What's the difference between a division, brigade, & battalion?
Does anyone know? Just curious.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:22 AM
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7. Yes. I know
Divsion is a large operational unit, usually around 17,000 troops or so.

Divisions are made up of typically 3 brigades, around 2-4,000 troops each. The rest of the division troops are in artillery and support troops, motor pools, HQ, etc.

Brigades are made up of about 3 battalions, around 800-1,000 troops each. Battalions are the largest tactical unit. It is divided into companies of 180-250 troops each.

Organizations in the modern armed forces are flexible, so individual unit composition can be changed based on mission, but those are the basics. Also, the Army and the Marines use different orgainizational charts, and individual Marine units tend to be larger and more generously equipped than Army units. :)
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:52 AM
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8. That was very helpful. Thank you.
:)
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 01:28 AM
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9. No prob, I am ex-Marine and a bit of a military history buff.
:thumbsup:
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 02:47 AM
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11. I just noticed your sig line.
I see you're also a Seahawks fan. Ya'll were robbed in the SB, in my opinion. Hope that kind of shady officiating doesn't become commonplace or I won't be watching football much longer. And I'm definitely not a Seahawks fan, being that I live in St. Louis.

Take care.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:40 PM
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17. Thanks for the thoughts, man
I can't talk about officiating or they call me a "whiner." :banghead:

No problem, though, we expect to be back this year. :evilgrin:
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:12 PM
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14. "There are no ex-Marines...
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 12:12 PM by onager
There are former Marines and dead Marines, but there are NO ex-Marines."

From a former Drill Instructor at MCRD San Diego...which gives away my age!

:hi:

And a bit of a military history buff myself.

Adding to your excellent comments, with some unnecessary but fun smart-assery:

Until fairly recently in the U.S. military, "brigades" were ad hoc units the U.S. Army put together for specific missions. The Marine Corps equivalents were things like the Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) or Marine Amphibious Brigade.

"Ad hoc units" simply means necessary units, like tanks, artillery, helicopters, etc. can be "mixed and matched" to fit the mission.

It also means units are being sent hither and yon and mixed up with other units--a nightmare to any respectable military bureaucracy.

Also a nightmare for the troops, since they must be administratively assigned to a unit to get their paychecks and have some permanent place for their medical records, etc.

Until the last 40 years or so, traditional U.S. military organization was based on the "triad," or Three Of Everything. The specifics varied a little, but in general it was pretty easy to remember: three Fire Teams made up a Squad, three Squads made up a Company, three Companies equalled a Battalion, three Battalions made a Regiment, and three Regiments made a Division.

The active-duty Marine Corps only had 3 Divisions (and 3 Air Wings, the aviation equivalent of a Division).

Being much larger, the Army continued on with the Corps (3 Divisions) and the Army, made up of 3 Corps. The Army junked the "triad" concept years ago in favor of the "pentanomic" organization (Five Of Almost Everything).

Unfortunately, this situation created a lot of jobless Brigadier Generals (they wear 1 star) with nobody to command. Poor babies.

Regiments were commanded by Colonels. Divisions were commanded by Major Generals (2 stars), a Corps by a Lieutenant-General (3 stars) and an Army was commanded by a guy wearing 4 stars, who is only called "General."

You'll notice there's no job slot for a 1-star, or "Brigadier" General. That's because Brigades were only put together, usually, during wartime or on an as-needed basis.

But since Brigadier General is a career stepping-stone between Colonel and Major General, the military had to put them someplace. One-star Generals usually served as staff officers at the higher command levels. In that job, they were designated as G-1 (administration), G-2 (intelligence), G-3 (operations) and G-4 (supply).

Then the "permanent brigade" concept came along and gave the Brigadier Generals full employment with their own command slots, which no doubt makes them a lot happier.

The Navy had a similar problem with its 1-star Admirals. It was a sort of orphan rank.

Navy policy said they could only be called "Commodore" in wartime, when they commanded the naval equivalent of a brigade--a flotilla or small fleet assembled for a specific mission.

In peacetime they were called "Rear Admiral, Lower Half," which caused a lot of really bad jokes about their sexual proclivities and pissed them off. So I believe the Navy finally resurrected the official title "Commodore" for them.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:37 PM
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15. Hey, Onager....
:hi: I was discharged in '77, so guess what my age is? :toast:

One mistake, though. You left out the platoon. 3 squads to a platoon, 3 platoons to a company.

I actually lost track of a lot of the organizational aspects over the past few years. Enjoyed your comments, though. :thumbsup:
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:37 AM
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18. Argh! You're right! I did leave it out.
Well, I sure thought I had platoons in there. Probably wiped it out with a careless delete.

What a coincidence! I was also discharged in 1977.

:toast:
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:21 AM
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6. Oh, sure...
..it's great when Iraqi security forces desert at the first sign of a fight, great when they go home because they don't get paid regularly, great when we don't trust them enough to share any useful intelligence, great when we discover that most of these units are fully infiltrated by insurgents and militia's, great when they shoot US soldiers while on patrol with them, etc, etc.

Ya, that is great progress.

What a bunch of B.S.

I stopped believing these lies a long time ago and I rather suspect that a majority of the American people have too.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 01:34 AM
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10. W didn't even let the the Iraqi leader know of W's visit
until W landed. Says it all. No trust.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:29 AM
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13. Sure, instead of stripping off their uniforms and running away...
they leave their uniforms on and run away. LOL
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 12:39 PM
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16. Yeah, right, I'm so stupid I believe him
Figures lie and liars figure.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:48 AM
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19. They are lying POS.
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 04:50 AM by pinniped
Who the fuck will fly the planes that bomb the Iraqis to bits and pieces? Certainly not the Iraqis.

The US is not going anywhere until the oil is fully depleted.

Merkans who believe any word from these criminal punks are stupid.

Oh, I see. Before it was just plain old progress. Now, the criminals are stating that it's great progress.

Like it makes one bit of difference. Propaganda dishing punks!
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