Bush says Nine-Eleven drives U-S policy

[sabra]

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=5059617&nav=8H3x

Bush says Nine-Eleven drives U-S policy

VIENNA, Austria President Bush says Europeans who blast U-S foreign policy should put themselves in America's shoes.

He took questions in Austria today about the unpopular Iraq war, confrontation with Iran, North Korea and the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.

A reporter asked about a poll from the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press that found Europeans see the U-S involvement in Iraq as more of a danger than Iran's nuclear program. Bush dismissed that idea as "absurd," saying the U-S is an open democracy and a threat to no one.

Bush says Nine-Eleven changed America. He says European critics of the U-S might see the attacks as a "moment," but that he feels the attacks required a fundamental change in U-S foreign policy.

[Orrex]

1. Yeah, what do Europeans know about devastation or terrorism?

They've had it so easy for so long.

:sarcasm:

[cspanlovr]

6. Such an self-centered, egotistical response.

[Orrex]

8. I'm self-centered like a gyroscope

And I'm tired of those whiny Europeans and their "two world wars" blah blah blah.



(that's still :sarcasm:, of course!)

[mitchum]

68. Typical bush ignorance and arrogance (N/T)

[radfringe]

74. campaign time: bang the drum louder

[marmar]

2. Bush: STFU....

You're making an even bigger ape's ass out of yourself. Europe has been dealing with terrorism far longer than the U.S. and you know how they handle it - as a crime. They're bright enough to know(Tony Blair excepted) that you can wage a broad military war against terrorism.

[saigon68]

47. He should go here and eat

[Avalux]

3. I want my country back!!!!

Fuck Bush, Fuck Cheney, Fuck Rummie, Fuck Condi and everyone else in power who has used 9/11 as an excuse to completely disregard the law of the land and the rights of Americans. Open democracy? lol.

I'm fresh from watching Frontline last night, so forgive my language.

[peaches2003]

15. Frontline

Was that a great show or what! It should be rerun and rerun and seen by everyone in the country. Naturally it will be ignored by the press. It said it exactly like it is- Cheney and Rumsfield the evil-doers and Bush their tool.

The whole bunch of them will rot in hell.

[Patchuli]

32. Every citizen needs to see that documentary!

They caught all those great evil looks of Cheney's when he wasn't thinking he was being snapped. kind of like * letting down his hair and telling that man back in 2001 "Who cares what you think?" The real 'Devil Inside' like the old INXS song.

I love all the brave people who are speaking out: Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke, etc.! True American Heroes!

[coalition_unwilling]

48. Was a great and devastating show, albeit too kind by far

to Tenet, imho. After watching it, I told my wife the following (which had been boiling around in various forms in my subconscious, albeit unarticulated, since March 2003):

They (BFEE) lied about WMD and they knew they were lieing when they lied. (That's the original sin\war crime.) But they (BFEE) seriously believed, aka, were deluded, that we would be greeted as "liberators" and that, in the shower of candy and flowers sure to greet our troops, no one would care or remember that they had lied and, thus, that their lies would not matter.

As soon as it became apparent we would not be greeted as "liberators" (in any meaningful sense of the term), they started casting around for scapegoats and patsies to blame for the lies they themselves had promulgated as policy. This makes Tenet more of a patsy and less of a perp and I'll go that far, I guess.

Seeing the program last night made me more determined that BFEE need impeachment as necessary, but not sufficient. There need to be some serious war crimes trials.

[MissWaverly]

71. I don't think they believed that

His dad didn't, I think they believed that they would have a modern day version of the cold
war that would go on for decades and create the GOP as a 1 party state in this country,
hand in hand with the fundies with lots and lots of under the table kickbacks from grateful
contractors, and limos, and parties and hookers, oh my!

[corkhead]

60. Didn't get the memo? Hell is now a wholy owned subsidiary of Halliburton

[grytpype]

4. "A threat to no one!"

Got that?

[bdamomma]

16. if a psychologist looked into that comment

in bush speak that would mean that the US is a threat to other nations. Bush is a very dangerous man.

[sutz12]

5. Bush drives policy

He just drives it into the ditch.

[Julius Civitatus]

7. Like Europeans never suffered terrorism and catastrophe

What a pompous, arrogant, idiotic ambassador for America.








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[bdamomma]

18. bush does not know squat about other nations

he has lived sheltered in his life in Maine and Texas before he stole the presidency, he has no clue at all. Pure ignorance and arrogance.

[indepat]

37. Gee, some must have thought the PNAC drove policy

[coalition_unwilling]

49. They had their 30 Years War over religion back in 1618-48. Now

it's our turn for a 30 Years War (or 100 Years or 1,000 Year Reich, take your pick).

[peaches2003]

9. What an idiot

Sure the U.S. is an open democracy and a threat to no one. Does he think the whole world as stupid as the right wing here?! We are certainly no longer an open democracy now that he steals elections and spies on his country's citizens. And not a threat? Ask the people of Iraq whether the U.S. is a threat.

[bdamomma]

10. when will this jerk ever stop policitizing 9/11

I hate him, he just sat in classroom in a freakin daze, yeah, he is such a hypocrite and a sick sick liar.

[driver8]

30. That is all he has to work with.

What else is he going to use? The economy? His fiscal responsibility? His charm and "way with words"?

[Virginia Dare]

11. Remember in the aftermath of 9/11...

when the nearly the entire world stood with us, and were ready to help us in the fight against terrorism? Fuck him and his condescending patronistic bullshit. He has completely pissed away any good will that was felt toward the U.S. in just 5 short years. Heck uv a job Chimpass.

[wordpix2]

12. So now we're back to 911 as the reason for Iraq War & going to Iran

"911, war on terror, 911, war on terror,911, war on terror,911, war on terror,911, war on terror,911, war on terror..."

:puke:

[kath]

33. Yep, the Sept. 11 attacks were the best thing that ever happened to him -

TERRA, TERRA, TERRA, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, TERRA, TERRA, TERRA...

(and one of the first things I typed online the day of the attacks was "damn - now Chimpy gets his fuckin' war!" - cuz I (like anyone who'd been paying attention) knew even way back before he stole his way into office that he wanted a war with Iraq in the worst way.)

[newspeak]

38. so, maybe there should be a real in-depth investigation

into what really happened on 9/11. There are questions that still need to be answered--everything, everything this administration has done is because of 9/11. Since he mentioned it, I think some investigative journalists, maybe in Europe, might want to break the story of the century.

[Amonester]

46. It should be obvious (it IS obvious for all, except the morans)..

that these crook$ and liar$ needed the "New Pearl Harbor" they (criminally) 'wished for' in their sick Project for a New American Century'$ BS document, advocating illegal endless Wars on the defenseless poor to quench their endless greed for maximum profits (oil & no-bid military contracts) and minimal cost (for them, as they continue to loot the Treasury of the lower classes' taxpayers).

Heck, what else would they ever had accomplished without their cherrished 911 tragic day for everyone except themselves?


"The GOP mantra since Jan/01:
Cut Programs and Run Away with the Money & the US National Credit Card, then Lie and Send the Cannon-Fodder to Die on Desert Stages."

[MissMillie]

45. Ding! Ding! We have a winner

9/11 may have been why we went into Afghanistan, but it had NOTHING to do with going into Iraq.

Iraq had no connection to 9/11

Iraq had no terrorists (other than Hussein himself, who was held pretty much in check in regards to his threat to the US) before we invaded

If 9/11 were the determining factor, we'd have declared war in Saudi Arabia.

[maxsolomon]

13. HEY EUROPE! he's not the president.

Cheney is.

Bush just goes around to photo ops (which is where he is now. you thought it was a 'summit'?) blathering & distracting everyone from the man behind the curtain.

don't listen to the words he regurgitates. they mean less than nothing.

[CJCRANE]

14. Nine-Eleven drives U-S policy...

because that's exactly what it was set up for.

[frylock]

19. fuckin-a

[bdamomma]

20. Exactly.

[driver8]

27. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Neocons needed a "Pearl Harbor" to put their plan into place and 9/11 just "happened" -- with no warnings at all!!

Damn, what a coincidence.

[partylessinOhio]

31. BRAVO!

Bravo for speaking the truth about 9-11.
Bush did it with the help of the Neocons and Cheney.
Bush did it. Bush is the greatest threat to the world.

He just didn't plan on the towers falling. That was the shock and awe on Bush.

[coalition_unwilling]

51. Actually, I think Seven-Eleven drives US policy. . . .

We must have our slurpees :)

No war for Slurpees.

[TexasLawyer]

53. Our "new Pearl Harbor."

Exactly what PNAC predicted/anticipated/hoped for.

Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was “a new Pearl Harbor.” Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true.

By John Pilger
New Statesman
December 16, 2002

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

[oasis]

70. ....................................because that what is was set up to do.

Bingo.

[Name removed]

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[Fridays Child]

17. Was someone not clear on that point?

It's based on the Goering Doctrine of Foreign Policy:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[bdamomma]

22. that sick philosophy says it all doesn't it?

we are dealing with some insane people, now, do we as sane people want to be taken down by this regime.

[Fridays Child]

23. Sick, indeed. Hurts my stomach just thinking about it.

x(

[soothsayer]

21. We should let 7-11 drive US policy

[Vidar]

24. Sell that in Poland or "Leningrad" (St. Petersburg).

[leesa]

25. Yes, it does, which is why the Bush Crime Family did 9-11.

[leftyladyfrommo]

26. No - Greed and maniacs run the Bush policy

9/11 was just a convenient vehicle.

[jazzjunkysue]

28. Really? So, what drives the afghani poppy trade?

Heroin, anyone?

[Strawman]

29. Yep. That's what he always says when they pull that string on his back.

[ladjf]

34. Which really translates into "9-11 has scared the crap out of

the American people so now I can do anything I want to do and claim it's justified in order to protect Americans". What a terrible scam!

[leveymg]

35. We should put ourselves in their shoes. Any other country would have

deposed and arrested its national leadership after a collosal national security screw-ups (or worse) like 9/11 and the Iraq Occupation.

Shrub, Dick, Rummy, Condi et al. are indeed fortunate that Americans are so extraordinarily docile and trusting. However, our patience is sorely wearing out.

"the U-S is an open democracy and a threat to no one" - Bush still has a sense of humor. Good. He'll need it when he faces a Grand Jury.

[w4rma]

36. No. 9/11 is the all-purpose **excuse** they give for Repug policy. (nt)

[minnesota_liberal]

39. More BS from the dolt who promised a "humble" foreign policy

and was repeatedly warned about Bin Laden.

Conspiracy theories aside, the 9-11 attacks could have occured anytime after 1982.

The attacks provided a convenient excuse to put the neo-fascist GOP agenda on a fast track.

[young_at_heart]

40. "He" feels the attacks required a change

Because "he" knows best.

[Eurobabe]

41. Saw the chimp-in-charge doing his cowboy routine in Vienna

on the news tonight. He makes me physically ill with his body language and coke jaw. I imagine Europeans are sick of dealing with the Boy King too. Nice to see people out in protest against the evil-doer.

[Emillereid]

42. Funny how that "fundamental change in US foreign policy" was articulated

by PNAC ("Rebuilding America's Defenses") before 9/11. Are these guys psychic or what?

[sabra]

43. just a coincidence, that and the Saddam thing too

:sarcasm:

[fshrink]

44. A Shakespearian stuttering idiot drives US policy.

[StrafingMoose]

50. Of course it changed US policy...

Bush also said: "Put yourself in America's shoes. 9/11 changed everything... At our favor. The Patriot Act I/II, Iraq, Afghanistan, tons of defense contracts, I mean yeah... It really changed everything, and admit it, you Europeans leaders are jealous about it!"


:rofl:

[Duer 157099]

52. 911: "It's JUST a number"

9/11 is a number, 3000 is a number, what's the big fuss???

[Amonester]

54. 9 trillion$ in debt is just a number 2 (and growing daily)...

Follow the Money


The GOP mantra since Jan/01:
"Cut Government Programs and Run Away with the Money & the National CC, then Lie and Send the Cannon Fodder to Die on Desert Stages."

[Joanne98]

55. Is it time to launch 'Operation Loose Change Two"?

http://www.policestateplanning.com/loose_change_ii.htm

I believe 90% of this video and I don't care who knows it.

[superconnected]

56. That's why he let 911 happen.

Still running off the fear from '01 dumbya?

We're on the fear of your administration for the iraq civilian murders of '06 now. It replaced the fear of your administrations inabilities from '05's katrina.

As far as 911 and katrina, we know how you handle disasters. We don't think you should be in charge and telling us how to "prevent" them.

[speedingbullet]

57. Why Not 7-11?

We could run around the world looking for Slurpies. Apologies to post 21. Beat me to it.

[pinniped]

58. If that's the case, * and his cronies couldn't have planned....

or hoped for anything better.

* the asshole and his asshole cronies have made millions and billions on this shit and pushed their sinister agandas forward.

* says Nine-Eleven drives U-S policy

[AnOhioan]

59. If I here one more how 911 "changed America"....

I will scream. The bushbots have used 911 as a crutch so many times it is obscene. You want to know what changed America? It happened before 911....it was the coup that occurred in 2000.

911 is, to the right-wing, merely an excuse used to justify the shredding of the Constitution, the undeclared war on the middle class, the destruction of, or dilution of, every principle that has guided this country for it's entire history. At least the history up until the coup.

This is not to say that the US has always been right...but even in our darkest moments, it is my belief that somewhere down deep inside, there was a glimmer of promise that we could do better by ourselves and the world.

That glimmer has all but faded into oblivion now under the ceaseless attack of those to whom the words "principle", "equality", "fairness" and "justice" mean nothing.

The chimp and all associated with him are nothing more than soulless creatures driven by power. They are only concerned with themselves, everyone else be damned.

There is nothing we can do, as a nation, that is punishment enough for the misery and loss of principle that they have forced upon us.

I will fight until my last to return our government to it's rightful owners...the citizens of this nation. The road back will be hard and long but every step taken, every battle fought, is worth it, if, in the end, we can erase the stigma of the past six years.

[Triana]

61. In OTHER words...

..bu$hit uses 9-11 as a convenient EXCUSE for any cockamamie policy he and his neoconsters care to put in place and the American people (and FAR too many Democrats) fall for it EVERY TIME.

It's a LEVER - a crutch, for bu$hco. 9-11 was used as an EXCUSE to invade Iraq, when Iraq had nada to do with 9-11. But some braindeads swallowed that plate of fresh bu$hit without even thinking.

[Sanity Claws]

62. He's such a moron that I'm waiting for him to say

7-11 instead of 9/11.
Hmmm, maybe that's why he always says September the 11th, so not to make this mistake.

[SoCalDem]

63. September 11th, September 11th, September 11th..

September 11th, September 11th, September 11th..

Posted by SoCalDem in General Discussion
Sat May 06th 2006, 04:21 AM

George Bush's presidency BEGAN that day, and also ENDED that day. he will forever see that as his personal highlight. Sad isn't it, that the "leader of the free world" looks at a day of carnage and sorrow as his "crowning glory".. The myth of that day is smoke & mirrors when it's looked at literally..

Where WAS George ON that day? He bailed and let his handpicked flunkies "run the store"..

Who can forget the 'deer-in-headlights' look on the faces of his 'wimminfolk' who ran to microphones & cameras to reassure us all.? We had Karen Hughes making statements, and Condi-in-the blue-dress with flop-sweat oozing from every pore, stating her total ineptitude for all to see. It still amazes me that the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER apparently was blindsided and actually HAD no idea what her job even entailed.

The cock & bull story created to make us all think that Air Force One was a target, was just that...a story. The truth was that our president was SO inept, that it took several stops along the way home to get him up to speed.

FIVE FULL YEARS LATER, September 11th is still the raison d'être for EVERYTHING they do. Every congressional hearing, every senate hearing, every news conference, every speech has to have some reference to September 11th.

It always reminds me of a child being scolded. Mom is reading the kid the riot act for some infraction, and he/she has to interrupt to remind Mom about the time they cleaned up their room without being asked, or the time they were desperately ill in the hospital. It's a distraction ploy to remind everyone how "brave" he was, and what a "good little president" he has been.

It boggles the mind to even think of all the horrific things that have occurred during the reign of King George II, and yet he still must focus on September 11th, because he and his cadre of sycophants have convinced themselves that they are blameless in that event and they behaved bravely. It was their finest moment.

It will forever remain an iconic moment in our history, but no more so than many others we have endured. A hundred years from now, who knows how many OTHER iconic moments will be added to the list? Other nations have had catastrophes, and the successful leaders have LED their people BEYOND the tragedy, and into an enlightenment. The leaders who insist on always looking back have led their people into chaos. The middle east is a classic example of this. Massacres and battles that happened 900 years before are still festering just below the surface, ready to erupt at any moment.

A country's worth is measured by how they respond to events. Things will always "happen", and to hold a country hostage to a single moment in time is to freeze that country in place.. ..in a bad place.

I almost wish that a senator/congressperson with a "Colbert-ish" sense of humor would show up at every hearing with an air horn, and every time someone uttered 9-11 or September11th, they would give that horn a blast..

[Odin2005]

64. Of course, the Neocons were PRAYING for 9/11 to happen.

before 9/11, the Neocons were lamenting that they couldn't get Joe Sixpack out of his normal suspicion of major overseas adventures. 9/11 unexpectedly gave them the "Pearl Harbor" they were praying for. Iraq isn't about oil, it's about geo-political stratagy. Oil was a bonus.

[tiptoe]

65. Experts claim official 9/11 story is a hoax for "creating our own reality"

EXPERTS CLAIM OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY IS A HOAX
Scholars for 9/11 Truth call for verification and publication by an international consortium.

Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.

These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."
...
These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."

The "9/11 reality" -- a terrorist attack atrocity -- assissted to promote Neocon/PNAC pre-existent goals and policies for the U.S., one of which was to invade Iraq. The Downing Street Memo is confirming evidence of an approach where "realities are created" -- in the case of Iraq, where pre-war "intelligence was fixed" -- to expedite a goal expressed by Neocons in 1998 to invade Iraq. The reality in need of creation? "Another Pearl Harbor." And who seems to have participated in "creating that reality"? Click here for a possibility.

Where chaos exists, exploit it.
Example: Katrina disaster -- a deliberate, strategic "incompetent response" by Bush' FEMA (emphasize Bush' FEMA not Clinton's FEMA) in order to -- at the expense of human lives and massive social disruption -- "create a reality" of "government inefficiency and unreliability" for purposes of "marketing" and implementing a pre-existent policy and goal of privatization of all government roles. Another "benefit" from a deliberate incompetent response to natural chaos events: Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of physically-uprooted, socially displaced, unemployed "bodies" may "volunteer" for the military, desperately in need of replenished forces. Also, Katrina was a "chaos-opportunity" to proceed with a pre-existent radical goal of repealing or suspending the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, a first response by Bush to Hurrican Katrina that addressed private crony interests rather than the public interest. (Eisenhower warned in 1954 about such actions by a 'negligible' group of 'stupid' people who might try "to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs." See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=383441#383964 )

Where chaos is absent and needed, create it.
Example: 9/11 and WMDs and uranium transfers and other lies and fabrications...that is, "created realities" deemed necessary for getting around laws and the Constitution, for implementing pre-existent invasion policies and big-brother spying on American citizens and appropriations for detention centers.

"Make America Weak and Keep Her that Way": the real motto and method of the Neocon/Bush regime.

(From Grover Norquist: 'Field Marshal' of the Bush Plan: "To Norquist, who loves being called a revolutionary, hardly an agency of government is not worth abolishing, from the Internal Revenue Service and the Food and Drug Administration to the Education Department and the National Endowment for the Arts. "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.")

[newspeak]

78. well, I keep using those words

this administration stated that they create the reality. It's like create the problem and offer the solution. Just like the dangling chads in Florida--now we got these paperless machines to replace those paper dangling chads ballots. See, we fixed the problem.

[satya]

66. "Europeans see the U-S involvement in Iraq as more of a danger than ...

Iran's nuclear program."

So, Mr. Imposter-in-Chief, according to "your" (that is, PNAC's) doctrine, Europe has no choice but to attack and occupy the U.S. And sadly, even that drastic response would be easier to rationalize than your destruction of Iraq A COUNTRY THAT POSED NO THREAT TO US. OTOH, the neocons running this country ARE more a greater threat to the world than Iraq (or Iran) could ever be. At least until their financiers pull the plug...

[mitchum]

67. That stupid criminal does not speak for me

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. GOP strategy: Keep America stuck on 9/12/01

[mhatrw]

72. To distraction. (nt)

[MiniMe]

75. Charge them with Drunk Driving!

[lumberjack_jeff]

76. It's not a reason, it's a rationale. n/t

[lutefisk]

77. It's doubtful Bush understands the difference

It's not a war, it's a con game.

It's not a government, it's a criminal enterprise.